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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
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You obviously have never been in a life or death situation and only had seconds to think.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding] * 1
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Not Responding said:
LSDylan said:
Not Responding said:
So what makes your protection different from that cops protection?


I don't walk myself into dangerous situations.


You also realize shit happens reguardless, right?


Shit like this doesn't "just happen" for no reason. Shit happens, for the most part, because of a conscious decision and choice that another person has made.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
LOL, he just stumbled onto the scene of an accident?


:lol:


:facepalm:

You're a child with a one sided simple mind.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
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RiderOnTheStorm said:
How long should the cop have waited before going in?


More than 2 minutes that's for fucking sure. Why rush such an extremely delicate situation?

Not Responding said:
Guess that means the cop has bigger balls.


Ad hominem arguments make you look like a complete fool. You clearly don't know how to have a logical debate.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
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More than 2 minutes that's for fucking sure. Why rush such an extremely delicate situation?


he was told dipshit was hurting himself and obviously didn't want that to happen.


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[quote]YSHServant  said:
You are on my turf when you are in the pub.[/quote]

[quote]ButteredToast said:
Shroomery 2012- Thread goes from discussing a possibly deceased member to posting nudes of her.[/quote]

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
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Not Responding said:
akira_akuma said:
LOL, he just stumbled onto the scene of an accident?


:lol:


:facepalm:

You're a child with a one sided simple mind.


sure :archiebunker: but didn't his police service operator tell him about the situation before he arrived on scene? yes. yes, she/he did.

xanderofpella said:
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More than 2 minutes that's for fucking sure. Why rush such an extremely delicate situation?


he was told dipshit was hurting himself and obviously didn't want that to happen.


LOL, so he hurts him so he can't hurt himself first. :lol:

again, you're mixing up who is the dipshit here.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
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Not Responding said:
You obviously have never been in a life or death situation and only had seconds to think.


LOL, which the cop was not in. any more stupid fucking arguments?

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
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he didn't hurt him until he put his life in danger, and if you don't think that cops
life was endangered your a dipshit also. you act like cops aren't people that have
families to go home to as well.


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[quote]YSHServant  said:
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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
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xanderofpella said:
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More than 2 minutes that's for fucking sure. Why rush such an extremely delicate situation?


he was told dipshit was hurting himself and obviously didn't want that to happen.


Yeah. I think there's a little bit of urgency to "omg my friend is about to kill himself with a knife." What if the kid had been bleeding out on the floor while the cops hung around outside waiting for the kid to say something? The same posters would be up in arms about how the police are worthless scumbags for letting him die.

The gun was not drawn to convince the guy not to kill himself, it was to protect the officer. And it did.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding] * 1
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Not Responding said:
This thread is full of hippie visions and children. I'm done with this. Mods, please lock and check the age of every user who disagreed.


Hmm.
See you tomorrow.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
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i act like that? i guess cops do to... all the time. even though, i don't think i act like that... when a shooting is justified it's justified... i ain't calling for the cops blood... i ain't doing anything of the sort, i am just calling it how it is... he didn't have to persuade the VICTIM of an accident into ANYTHING.

he was by himself, and was ways away from endangering anyone but maybe himself. which hey guess what you're supposed to do (even a cop)? stay back and have everyone stay calm, leave the situation, and call for backup.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
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RiderOnTheStorm said:
xanderofpella said:
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More than 2 minutes that's for fucking sure. Why rush such an extremely delicate situation?


he was told dipshit was hurting himself and obviously didn't want that to happen.


Yeah. I think there's a little bit of urgency to "omg my friend is about to kill himself with a knife." What if the kid had been bleeding out on the floor while the cops hung around outside waiting for the kid to say something? The same posters would be up in arms about how the police are worthless scumbags for letting him die.

The gun was not drawn to convince the guy not to kill himself, it was to protect the officer. And it did.

you cannot possibly know that, first off (that it protected anything but his ego) and secondly if the kid was bleeding out on the floor, he would have needed paramedics not police.

:credit:

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
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RiderOnTheStorm said:
LSDylan said:
EdibleStereos said:
dontknow said:
What do you want the cop to do? Knock on the door and tell him that there will be cops waiting outside for him if he needs to talk?

If the guy is crazy he's not going to just come out and say sorry, you got me. He's going to either 1) kill himself inside because he has cops waiting for him the second he steps out or 2) go outside looking for a fight or 3) just stay inside, and if he just stays inside you can't just say 'wellp, he ain't coming out, let's go home'. So at some point you'd have to go get him, which would force you into the same situation that actually happened...


If he kills himself, he kills himself. He wasnt a threat to anyone else until that officer came in.

Many people who have mental breakdowns and become suicidal calm down if given some space and time to think about the situation. During mental breakdowns people cant process everything going on, and they are unable to understand simple commands, as this video clearly shows.

You cant approach a suicidal person in the same way as you would a suspect. This video makes it very clear how this approach ends up.


Seriously I don't get what is so hard to understand about this.


How long should the cop have waited before going in? How many times should he have called out to the guy who was hiding silently around the corner? Should they have brought out a megaphone to discuss the pros and cons of killing yourself in front of the neighborhood as they tried to talk this unresponsive guy down?

You never go into closed quarters without your gun drawn when you know somebody has a knife. If they come at you from 21 feet or less you will not have time to draw. The cop didn't escalate the situation he tried repeatedly to diffuse it. The woman who called the police escalated it by doing just that.

The cop did not expect the guy to be right around the corner because he never spoke up. He didn't go rummaging through bedrooms until he found the kid, he poked his head in to make sure the kid hadn't already offed himself, and then the kid came at him.


The police officer had arrived on scene, and shot this man 5 times within minutes of arriving.

He rushed this situation far faster than it should have gone, and this increased the intensity, and the chances of a fatal outcome. Back up hadnt even arrived by the time he shot him.

Suicidal people are often agitated, and confused. They do not respond to being yelled at. These tactics dont work. This is clear, officers need to be trained how to diffuse these situations.

And this is why I dont blame the officer personally. He did he job. He did exactly what he was trained to do and he killed the man because he was a threat to the officer.

The whole point though is the officer should have been trained to respond differently in this situation. We send the correct emergency services for the type of event, medical events we send people trained to deal with those, fires we send people trained to deal with fires.

If we are going to send police officers to deal with suicidal people, then we need to send police officers  trained how to deal with suicidal people.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: EdibleStereos]
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lol @ shroomery cop debates.





fucking hilarious.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: memes]
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:smilingpuppy:

and yet no cops here. try not to read between the lines, we're all in unknown territory here.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: memes] * 1
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memes said:
lol @ shroomery cop debates.





fucking hilarious.



This thread is a lot more mind stimulating than complaining about obama or 24hourMC's public outing of himself.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Heffy said:
Armed guy, coming towards me, doesn't respond to 5 warnings, at a distance of less than 21 feet, in an enclosed space.

I would have shot him dead. 100%.


That.

Some of you other posters have an amazingly stupid and short-sighted view of things.


Its incredible that there's even a debate about this, guy didn't need to give one warning as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
memes said:
lol @ shroomery cop debates.





fucking hilarious.



This thread is a lot more mind stimulating than complaining about obama or 24hourMC's public outing of himself.


minds stimulating to a certain degree...

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
memes said:
lol @ shroomery cop debates.





fucking hilarious.



24hourMC's public outing of himself.


link?


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[quote]sVs said:
Adorable overload is imminent.[/quote]

[quote]YSHServant  said:
You are on my turf when you are in the pub.[/quote]

[quote]ButteredToast said:
Shroomery 2012- Thread goes from discussing a possibly deceased member to posting nudes of her.[/quote]

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19504975

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