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Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches
    #5656172 - 05/21/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



I just heard that 1300 churches burn down a year, 

Is it me or is that cool! As long as no one get hurt. 

And in Alabama 5 were shot at a church during services,

Serves them right, if they weren't there then they would be alive, what ashamed that they believed the lie....

I have no sorrow for the church and anything that happens they deserve it. I think the people who do that should be tried and convicted.





what god wants god gets..ahahah fuck him  :crazy2: :thumbup:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656182 - 05/21/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

+1

:rolleyes:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656187 - 05/21/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, and you're how old? :rolleyes:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656188 - 05/21/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

jesus loves guns, at least thats what the nra says


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656189 - 05/21/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are retarded..............

Church and state should be seperate!

But the destruction of something beautiful is fucked up....


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5656200 - 05/21/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You are retarded..............





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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656206 - 05/21/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oops, fucked up the reply. Snaggletooth is the tard, at least in reference to burning churches. There is no reason for all of that.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5656215 - 05/21/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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But the destruction of something beautiful is fucked up....




I agree they the church have destroyed cultures and buildings for two thousand years.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5656224 - 05/21/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Corporal Kielbasa said:
You are retarded..............

Church and state should be seperate!

But the destruction of something beautiful is fucked up....





Whats soo beutiful about a christian church?
genocide?
lies?

although i agree with the symbolism of church burning, yes it is a little juvenile.

if your into church burning, and or black metal (or even if your not) you should check out this book.  even people who know notihng about this scene get totally sucked in.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0922915...5Fencoding=UTF8


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: john706]
    #5656240 - 05/21/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Most times it is the architecture that make churches beautiful, not the actual religion.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: john706]
    #5656242 - 05/21/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Cool but I hate Satanist just as much, but there irrelevant.


Not fun to make fun of at least...


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: john706]
    #5656243 - 05/21/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Trav]
    #5656254 - 05/21/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Be it a Christian church, Jewish synagogue, Islamic mosque, Satanic church, a gathering of Wiccans, a conference of atheists/agnostics or a slew of any other various peoples, I do not wish to see anyone persecuted for holding personal beliefs.

You are the lowest of the low for believing people deserve violence acted upon them for believing in something that you don't.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Trav]
    #5656256 - 05/21/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Most times it is the architecture that make churches beautiful, not the actual religion.




Whatever I think about the motivation behind their building, I am usually awestruck by churches that are beautiful. They make me truly value human ingenuity and the human concept of beauty. When I walked into St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, well, I don't know if I've ever been overwhelmed with such a sense of what human beings can accomplish with their tools and materials. I didn't agree with what the church was a shrine to, but I can look beyond that.

And as for saying "they deserved it" to people who got shot at church, you sir are a sad sad piece of human flesh. I hope if your mother goes to the store and get shot that you realize she deserves it for spending her money at that damn store. No no, it's not the fault of the person doing the shooting.

I don't know how you can grin and chuckle at anyone's misfortune like that. Or think that they deserved it because they believe differently from you. You're no better than a religious extremist, you're just coming at it from the other side.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656260 - 05/21/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well said.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656274 - 05/21/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dont advocate anything,

I am just an observer, and yes when it comes to the church I do chuckle, when I think about the million that they have killed torture and it still is going on today, chuckling in shame though, that I am a human, the same as them.

When I went to Paris and went to Notre Dame, I was awestruck about the slaver, stealing of money and life's, just for there materialism.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656284 - 05/21/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dig that the gold leaf was rendered from the towns people melting their wedding bands and donating things of value inorder to make something amazing. Not al of the gold was done like that but at points in time it was done.

I dig the stained glass, and the comunity effort they muster.

But i will say again i dig the stained glass.

I dont agree with much of anything anymore. I just agree in the roots of one love. I will never know this God most adhere to, i only go by peace, love,light, and respect


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656288 - 05/21/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"I am just an observer, I don't advocate anything."

Okay there, Switzerland. :stonedjerk:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656295 - 05/21/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

God I wish that I could hide away
And find a wall to bang my brains
I'm living in a fantasy, a nightmare dream…..reality
People ride about all day
In metal boxes made away
I wish that they would drop the bomb
And kill these cunts that don't belong
I hate people
I hate the human race
I hate people
I hate your ugly face
I hate people
I hate your fucking mess
I hate people
They hate me
My mother thinks that I am a jerk
Because I hate my bleeding work
Be like your daddy he's sincere
But don't be true ………..or you'll be queer
I'm working at my 9 to 5
with boring cunts that give me jibe
their talking of the love they give
they never give………they never give
I hate people
I hate the human race
I hate people
I hate your ugly face
I hate people
I hate your fucking mess
I hate people
They hate me
God I wish that I could hide away
And find a wall to bang my brains
I'm living in a fantasy, a nightmare dream…..reality
People ride about all day
In metal boxes made away
I wish that they would drop the bomb
And kill these cunts that don't belong
I hate people
I hate the human race
I hate people
I hate your ugly face
I hate people
I hate your fucking mess
I hate people
They hate me
My mother thinks that I am a jerk
Because I hate my bleeding work
Be like your daddy he's sincere
But don't be true ………..or you'll be queer
I'm working at my 9 to 5
with boring cunts that give me jibe
their talking of the love they give
they never give………they never give
I hate people
I hate the human race
I hate people
I hate your ugly face
I hate people
I hate your fucking mess
I hate people
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656302 - 05/21/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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"I am just an observer, I don't advocate anything."

Okay there, Switzerland. :stonedjerk:





yeah ok maybe that was a little obscured/extreme...


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656393 - 05/21/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's not cool. Religion has caused much misfortune, but chances are the people going to these rural churches aren't in any way tied to the land, money and power-grabbing religious powers (ie, the vatican, sbc, etc). They may, at worst, vote for some of the people who represent those powers. But they're just people living their lives and a lot of times their church and their faith is put to good use. Destroying that is never a good thing. Ever.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656427 - 05/21/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That is fucking disgusting.

If your house burned down, could I laugh because some people in other houses have caused others misfortune?


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
    #5656428 - 05/21/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The Shroomery has a wealth of people who think they're soooo mature and enlightened for their "down-with-religion-at-all-costs" attitudes. It makes me sad.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656441 - 05/21/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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The Shroomery has a wealth of people who think they're soooo mature and enlightened for their "down-with-religion-at-all-costs" attitudes. It makes me sad.




Disagreement with and wanton destruction of, something people have a problem seperating in their minds. It's sad.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656444 - 05/21/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sure you could, though I would not, not just for misfortune.


I dont think I would be sad when hitler's house burned down, or others like that.


I never thought I was cool. I have no ego, and I dont place my self above nor below any one. :rolleyes:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656449 - 05/21/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I never though I was cool. I have no ego, and I dont place my self above nor below any one. :rolleyes:




Bullshit.  #1 - everyone has an ego, and anyone who thinks they've gotten beyond theirs is delusional to the point of over-egotism.  #2 - you continuously refer to the religious as "the weak" - you do put yourself above them.

I'd respect you more if you were more hardline about your beliefs too. But you're just a backpeddler quick to shoot his mouth.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656454 - 05/21/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
The Shroomery has a wealth of people who think they're soooo mature and enlightened for their "down-with-religion-at-all-costs" attitudes. It makes me sad.



Quoted For Truth


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656455 - 05/21/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I do think that there weak.


That dose not mean that I am above them.


Believe it or not, I too have weaknesses.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656459 - 05/21/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

There is no drawing a relation to a majority of the people who go to church and Hitler.

Though the Crusades and the Inquisition were horrible events, no chuch-goer today had anything to do with either of them.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #5656468 - 05/21/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Western religion is based on ego...........

We honor no god that is women, we felt that women have no place in church, we use fear as a root to the religion. Fear of being different, fear of being who you are.

Its been nothing more then a device to control the populace. Its been a crutch to those who feel left out of the whole. Come join the church and make friends.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
    #5656470 - 05/21/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Redstorm


I think that is only partly true.


It still happens, like in Africa and the issues with aids.


If a new Nazi said they should be respected cause there new Nazi and dont believe nor had anything to do with the Holocaust. After all there the new and reformed Nazi party.

I would call bullshit on that.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656474 - 05/21/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Though I am not a fan of Nazi's today, it would be absurd to tie the Holocaust to them. They can believe what they want, but as soon as their beliefs lead to actions that cause harm to others, that is when I will judge them.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: DieSpectra]
    #5656552 - 05/21/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Be it a Christian church, Jewish synagogue, Islamic mosque, Satanic church, a gathering of Wiccans, a conference of atheists/agnostics or a slew of any other various peoples, I do not wish to see anyone persecuted for holding personal beliefs.

You are the lowest of the low for believing people deserve violence acted upon them for believing in something that you don't.




True that.

What gives you the idea that lying, stealing, slavery, etc. is unique to christians? I mean, yeah, they're hypocrites and all, but so am I and so are you. So you chuckle at acts of violence committed against people because of the immoral actions of those people? Hmmm, I've heard that rationale before, from skinheads and nazis.

If you want to know the biggest problem in our society, you can start by looking in the mirror.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656575 - 05/21/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't see how anyone can complain about their church being burned down as it was clearly God's Will. We can not hope to know His divine plan, only trust in His infinite wisdom. And if He wants to send arsonists to burn down your church, it's all just part of the divine plan. Right?? So quitcherbitchin already.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
    #5656600 - 05/21/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am a Christian, yet believe in freedom of choice.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
    #5656610 - 05/21/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

As weird as it sounds I agree, god did not do this, some twisted stupid, and probably a teen did this of there own free will.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
    #5656612 - 05/21/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You don't think an all-mighty, all-powerful God could flip a few neurons to protect His loyal followers from arson? Inaction is a form of action too you know. When you're omnipotent, everything is your will.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
    #5656624 - 05/21/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ahh well yes, but now you put in omnipotence's in the mix,

And that is beyond my thought, since I dont prescribed to that line of thought I dont know the rules to play that game.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
    #5656629 - 05/21/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just because he/she can, doesn't mean they would.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
    #5656673 - 05/21/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just read the book of Job. You can live your whole life for God, and still you get fucked over. Or read Ecclesiastes: one person can live morally and upright, love God and everything, and they get fucked over. Another person can be a self-righteous asshole who doesn't care about God, and they prosper.

Fuck all that. So I'm supposed to put all I have into a belief that all will be made right after I die? If my morality/belief bears no relation to my situation in this life, how am I to have faith that the afterlife will be different? Because the bibble tells me so?

Honestly, I sincerely wish I could believe this garbage. I wish I could have a personal relationship with God, but God does not do anything he/she/it promises. I...goddamn.

Anyway, I can understand why christians are upset when their churches get burned. Perhaps that makes them hypocritical, but at least I can identify with them on that level.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
    #5656827 - 05/21/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well that's pretty fucked up right there. People devote their lives to kissing His ass, they build dedicated ass-kissing buildings to increase their ass-kissing efficiency, and then when someone goes to burn it down He won't even lift a finger to intervene? Why the fuck not? He didn't have any qualms with involving Himself in human affairs back in Biblical times. Sounds like a fucking douche if you ask me. Kiss this God. :goatse:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656855 - 05/21/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I swear, people with anti-religion grudges can be just as bad as members of racism groups.

That post is what would happen if the KKK targeted religion instead of black people.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Konnrade]
    #5656872 - 05/21/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

racism is the churches best friend, next to the devil of course....


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656919 - 05/21/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like you're just trying to get attention. :rolleyes:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5656956 - 05/21/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no sorrow for the church and anything that happens they deserve it.





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    #5656988 - 05/21/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no sorrow for the church and anything that happens they deserve it.





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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Konnrade]
    #5657005 - 05/21/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I swear, people with anti-religion grudges can be just as bad as members of racism groups.

That post is what would happen if the KKK targeted religion instead of black people.




If you don't like someone because of the color of their skin that's pretty dumb and superficial.

If you don't like someone because their beliefs are stupid, and their beliefs reflect on them as a person, then you have some justification.

If you think the universe was created out of mucus from a magic gnome, I'll talk shit to you too.

Oh and by the way I'm not in favor of burning churches or anything like that, I think it's reprehensible. But that's based on my own sense of ethics, which is in turn based on reason and logic. For people who think God is omnipotent and everything He does is great, I don't want to hear any bitching. It's all part of His plan so suck it up.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5657067 - 05/21/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

wow - you're stupid.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
    #5657079 - 05/21/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Oh and by the way I'm not in favor of burning churches or anything like that, I think it's reprehensible. But that's based on my own sense of ethics, which is in turn based on reason and logic. For people who think God is omnipotent and everything He does is great, I don't want to hear any bitching. It's all part of His plan so suck it up.




My whole philosophy on life basically boils down to "leave me the fuck alone and I'll do the same".

People can believe whatever the hell they want (I remind you that science can be just as dogmatic as religion at times). When they use those beliefs to justify fucked up behavior is where I draw the line and when I retaliate.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
    #5657081 - 05/21/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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based on my own sense of ethics, which is in turn based on reason and logic.





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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
    #5657090 - 05/21/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Red you claim but do you actually practice the religion?


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5657113 - 05/21/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I do. I pray everyday and practice the ideals put forth by Jesus. I am not much of a fan of the established Church, though.

More than anything, I feel that it is most important to be a good person as much as you possibly can. That's not really a religious or spiritual belief, but I feel it is one everyone should embrace.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Vvellum]
    #5657128 - 05/21/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"I dont accept the currently fashionable assertion that any view is automatically as worth of respect as any equal and opposite view. My view is that the moon is made of rock. If someone says to me, "well. you haven't been there, have you? You haven't seen it for your self, so my view is equally valid"- then I cant even be bothered to argue there is such a think as the burned of proof, and in the case of god, as in the case of the composition of the moon, this has shifted radically. god used to be the best explanation we'd got and we've now got vastly better ones.

God is no loner an explanation of anything, but has instead become something that would itself need an Insurmountable amount of explaining. So I dont think that being convinced that there is no god is as irrational or arrogant a point of view as belief that there is. I dont think the matter calls for even handedness at all."


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5657131 - 05/21/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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based on my own sense of ethics, which is in turn based on reason and logic.





Blasphemy! May the Magic Gnome smite thee!




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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5657133 - 05/21/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No but whoever it is he or she is my new hero. :heart:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: monamine]
    #5657139 - 05/21/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You know I'd run with the whole gnome mucus thing but I'm worried the FSM would see it as blasphemy.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
    #5657145 - 05/21/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I sure he was already, but not for what you think.

That was Douglas Adams...rip, from The Salmon of Doubt. :thumbup:



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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
    #5657148 - 05/21/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You know I'd run with the whole gnome mucus thing but I'm worried the FSM would see it as blasphemy.




You shouldn't run around with gnome mucous...you might get some on your shirt.

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    #5657150 - 05/21/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You know I'd run with the whole gnome mucus thing but I'm worried the FSM would see it as blasphemy.




you called  :wink:



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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: monamine]
    #5657151 - 05/21/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5657155 - 05/21/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you bastard


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    #5657163 - 05/21/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5657164 - 05/21/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl:

I wish I knew how to use Photoshop/Google.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: monamine]
    #5657176 - 05/21/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

it's easy to learn both, google being the easiest



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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5657196 - 05/21/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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it's easy to learn both, google being the easiest






I'm a lazy fuck. I can Google OK because I'm not a fucking moron, but I still need to learn the syntax to get really good searches.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5657202 - 05/21/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"The moon is made of rock" is not a belief, it is a factual observation, a logical conclusion of certain axiomatic statements:

1) a substance defined as "rock" has certain characteristics
2) retrieving a sample of moon material and testing for such characteristics is sufficient for the conclusion that the moon is made of rock
3) we have travelled to the moon and recieved samples, and those samples seem consistent with our definition of "rock"
4) the moon must be made of muthafuckin' rock

But a belief, such as a belief in God or in a quantum field or in randomness/chaos, carries no such burden of proof. And we all have beliefs. Even a belief in nothing is, oddly enough, a belief. When you get down to it, even the axiomatic statements listed above are ultimately contingent on belief. That being said:

All scientific explainations are not equal, as they are all relative to final causes (predictive ability, consistence with sensory observation, testability, falsifiability [if that's even a word]).

But

All beliefs, which in themselves have no final cause and are thus relative to ends subjectively determined and contingent, are ultimately equal (that is, we all have fairy tales and, all things considered, one is as good as another).


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    #5657220 - 05/21/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

If I just took what you just said to logical extremes I would probably just put a bullet in my brain.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: monamine]
    #5657228 - 05/21/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I can Google OK because I'm not a fucking moronsearches.





then google up a photoshop tutorial  :smirk:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: monamine]
    #5657348 - 05/21/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If I just took what you just said to logical extremes I would probably just put a bullet in my brain.




I'm sorry you feel that way.


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    #5657392 - 05/21/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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If I just took what you just said to logical extremes I would probably just put a bullet in my brain.




I'm sorry you feel that way.




Yeah me too. I've already gone down the Nihilism path...


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: monamine]
    #5657468 - 05/21/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Oh and by the way I'm not in favor of burning churches or anything like that, I think it's reprehensible. But that's based on my own sense of ethics, which is in turn based on reason and logic. For people who think God is omnipotent and everything He does is great, I don't want to hear any bitching. It's all part of His plan so suck it up.




My whole philosophy on life basically boils down to "leave me the fuck alone and I'll do the same".

People can believe whatever the hell they want (I remind you that science can be just as dogmatic as religion at times). When they use those beliefs to justify fucked up behavior is where I draw the line and when I retaliate.







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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5658554 - 05/21/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wish I had something bright and shining to say about this, but I feel glad someone can take the risk to do it.
So many thug-like people hide nehind the Cross.
In my area, much harsh rhetoric comes from the Christian community.
And it all goes by, very blase, very mundane.
Christians make it very difficult for unbelievers, and they feel comfortable because they hold the majority and no one except the Goth/Satan teenagers challenge them.
And I have stood on the end of some malicious shit that I couldn't answer because they phrased the rhetoric so well.
I wished for Akira-like powers of TK to make people's heads explode on sight, but no such luck.
And those rural churches didn't have anything *direct* to do with thise a-holes hassling me; but I also didn't have anything to do with "pagans murdering people" or "gays molesting children" or "unbelievers supporting terrorism."
And even at my work, I have to pay lip service to the idea of Christ, or problems crop up.
I get excessive scrutiny, co-workers spread rumors, I don't get booked with the clients I deserve.
But I also got labels in my neighborhood that didn't go away, based on Christian prejudice. Granted, thug Christians, but still Christians.
And I can't do anything about it.
So some thug Satanists or Communists torched some churches?
(or whoever did it)
Good.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Harmonic_Order]
    #5658622 - 05/21/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Hey fellerz.
This thread just caught my eye... I'm not going to say anything but I thought I'd show you something.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lKFrFSCt18c&search=shitfield

these are some friends of mine doing dumb drunken shit. I find this video hilarious. They took the crosses down after this happened because the kids were planning on doing it again and again until they were just charred twigs in the ground. This video made me laugh.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: indica]
    #5658652 - 05/21/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

sorry man not even here.

I dont like the church but I am not a racist and dont advocate violence.

Those people should be charged that did the church thing, and this is not much different


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: indica]
    #5658799 - 05/22/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey fellerz.
This thread just caught my eye... I'm not going to say anything but I thought I'd show you something.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lKFrFSCt18c&search=shitfield

these are some friends of mine doing dumb drunken shit. I find this video hilarious. They took the crosses down after this happened because the kids were planning on doing it again and again until they were just charred twigs in the ground. This video made me laugh.




There's a difference between excercising your right to have an opinion and being an adolescent prick.

That would err far on the latter side.

The funny thing is when people try to hide those sort of actions behind their supposed freedom to do so, and yet they were deliberately persecuting other people, and succeeding in detracting from their ability to maintian the exact same rights. Hypocritical behavior against people they claim are hypocrites... so jam-packed with irony that it nearly gives you a headache to think about it.

This is just dumbasses thinking they're cool because they're rebelling against something... and they're actually not even rebelling, they're just doing things that they know will piss people off. Technically, it's a form of sadism.


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Konnrade]
    #5658869 - 05/22/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah but you gotta admit, the video had a fairly humourous air to it. They weren't doing it to rebel or be bad or make a statement or whatever, they're just dumb drunken 15 year old kids doing dumb hardcore shit that cracks me up.

it is in no way satanic, just funny as fuck.

well you guys can say what you want... i find it amusing. the music is so choice for it hahaha


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: indica]
    #5658880 - 05/22/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's amusing in the "drunken jackass" sense, yes.

I can't say I haven't done some pretty outrageous vandalism before...

like that time I blew up the cable box for an entire row of apartments :lol:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Konnrade]
    #5658921 - 05/22/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you see? it's all in the name of kids being dumbasses...

just let it happen man

its not as if they were trying to bring down some huge big moral judgement day on everyone or anything... just being kids doing dumbshit

they got balls to do it though


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: indica]
    #5659070 - 05/22/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hehe... I always did love a bit of mischief.

Man, thinking about that really takes me back. Now that I think about it, during high school alone I committed at least 2 non-drug felonies, and more misdemeanors than I could possibly count  :evil:

We all hate to be the victims of it, but I'll be damned if being a teenager would be the same without acting like a ballsy jackass once in a while :grin:


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Konnrade]
    #5659100 - 05/22/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dude imagine the looks on the peoples faces when they look out their bedroom window at 1:00am on a sunday morning to see 3 life size holy crosses (keep in mind this is a very small town) burning up hard in fucking flames... it just makes me giggle. those old codgers would have thought "seriously.... what the fuck is this world coming to?"

just the hilarity of the disgusting nature of these adolescent crimes makes me laugh


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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: indica]
    #5659196 - 05/22/06 04:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, seeing 3 burning crosses... a person would probably initially hope that the KKK wasn't involved. The Klan is known for doing that, after all.


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