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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5656393 - 05/21/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not cool. Religion has caused much misfortune, but chances are the people going to these rural churches aren't in any way tied to the land, money and power-grabbing religious powers (ie, the vatican, sbc, etc). They may, at worst, vote for some of the people who represent those powers. But they're just people living their lives and a lot of times their church and their faith is put to good use. Destroying that is never a good thing. Ever.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5656427 - 05/21/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is fucking disgusting.
If your house burned down, could I laugh because some people in other houses have caused others misfortune?
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
#5656428 - 05/21/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Shroomery has a wealth of people who think they're soooo mature and enlightened for their "down-with-religion-at-all-costs" attitudes. It makes me sad.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: The Shroomery has a wealth of people who think they're soooo mature and enlightened for their "down-with-religion-at-all-costs" attitudes. It makes me sad.
Disagreement with and wanton destruction of, something people have a problem seperating in their minds. It's sad.
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sure you could, though I would not, not just for misfortune.
I dont think I would be sad when hitler's house burned down, or others like that.
I never thought I was cool. I have no ego, and I dont place my self above nor below any one.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5656449 - 05/21/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Snaggletooth said: I never though I was cool. I have no ego, and I dont place my self above nor below any one.
Bullshit. #1 - everyone has an ego, and anyone who thinks they've gotten beyond theirs is delusional to the point of over-egotism. #2 - you continuously refer to the religious as "the weak" - you do put yourself above them.
I'd respect you more if you were more hardline about your beliefs too. But you're just a backpeddler quick to shoot his mouth.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: The Shroomery has a wealth of people who think they're soooo mature and enlightened for their "down-with-religion-at-all-costs" attitudes. It makes me sad.
Quoted For Truth
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Yes I do think that there weak.
That dose not mean that I am above them.
Believe it or not, I too have weaknesses.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5656459 - 05/21/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no drawing a relation to a majority of the people who go to church and Hitler.
Though the Crusades and the Inquisition were horrible events, no chuch-goer today had anything to do with either of them.
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Western religion is based on ego...........
We honor no god that is women, we felt that women have no place in church, we use fear as a root to the religion. Fear of being different, fear of being who you are.
Its been nothing more then a device to control the populace. Its been a crutch to those who feel left out of the whole. Come join the church and make friends.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
#5656470 - 05/21/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Redstorm
I think that is only partly true.
It still happens, like in Africa and the issues with aids.
If a new Nazi said they should be respected cause there new Nazi and dont believe nor had anything to do with the Holocaust. After all there the new and reformed Nazi party.
I would call bullshit on that.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5656474 - 05/21/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Though I am not a fan of Nazi's today, it would be absurd to tie the Holocaust to them. They can believe what they want, but as soon as their beliefs lead to actions that cause harm to others, that is when I will judge them.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: DieSpectra]
#5656552 - 05/21/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DieSpectra said: Be it a Christian church, Jewish synagogue, Islamic mosque, Satanic church, a gathering of Wiccans, a conference of atheists/agnostics or a slew of any other various peoples, I do not wish to see anyone persecuted for holding personal beliefs.
You are the lowest of the low for believing people deserve violence acted upon them for believing in something that you don't.
True that.
What gives you the idea that lying, stealing, slavery, etc. is unique to christians? I mean, yeah, they're hypocrites and all, but so am I and so are you. So you chuckle at acts of violence committed against people because of the immoral actions of those people? Hmmm, I've heard that rationale before, from skinheads and nazis.
If you want to know the biggest problem in our society, you can start by looking in the mirror.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Snaggletooth]
#5656575 - 05/21/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't see how anyone can complain about their church being burned down as it was clearly God's Will. We can not hope to know His divine plan, only trust in His infinite wisdom. And if He wants to send arsonists to burn down your church, it's all just part of the divine plan. Right?? So quitcherbitchin already.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
#5656600 - 05/21/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am a Christian, yet believe in freedom of choice.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
#5656610 - 05/21/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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As weird as it sounds I agree, god did not do this, some twisted stupid, and probably a teen did this of there own free will.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
#5656612 - 05/21/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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You don't think an all-mighty, all-powerful God could flip a few neurons to protect His loyal followers from arson? Inaction is a form of action too you know. When you're omnipotent, everything is your will.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
#5656624 - 05/21/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ahh well yes, but now you put in omnipotence's in the mix,
And that is beyond my thought, since I dont prescribed to that line of thought I dont know the rules to play that game.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Ythan]
#5656629 - 05/21/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just because he/she can, doesn't mean they would.
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Re: Burning Churches/ Shooting at Churches [Re: Redstorm]
#5656673 - 05/21/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just read the book of Job. You can live your whole life for God, and still you get fucked over. Or read Ecclesiastes: one person can live morally and upright, love God and everything, and they get fucked over. Another person can be a self-righteous asshole who doesn't care about God, and they prosper.
Fuck all that. So I'm supposed to put all I have into a belief that all will be made right after I die? If my morality/belief bears no relation to my situation in this life, how am I to have faith that the afterlife will be different? Because the bibble tells me so?
Honestly, I sincerely wish I could believe this garbage. I wish I could have a personal relationship with God, but God does not do anything he/she/it promises. I...goddamn.
Anyway, I can understand why christians are upset when their churches get burned. Perhaps that makes them hypocritical, but at least I can identify with them on that level.
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