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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
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What do you want the cop to do? Knock on the door and tell him that there will be cops waiting outside for him if he needs to talk?

If the guy is crazy he's not going to just come out and say sorry, you got me. He's going to either 1) kill himself inside because he has cops waiting for him the second he steps out or 2) go outside looking for a fight or 3) just stay inside, and if he just stays inside you can't just say 'wellp, he ain't coming out, let's go home'. So at some point you'd have to go get him, which would force you into the same situation that actually happened...


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: berdinwall] * 2
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berdinwall said:
Fucking cowards.  Knifr vs gun is no fight. No threat at all in this situation


:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: dontknow]
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dontknow said:
What do you want the cop to do? Knock on the door and tell him that there will be cops waiting outside for him if he needs to talk?

If the guy is crazy he's not going to just come out and say sorry, you got me. He's going to either 1) kill himself inside because he has cops waiting for him the second he steps out or 2) go outside looking for a fight or 3) just stay inside, and if he just stays inside you can't just say 'wellp, he ain't coming out, let's go home'. So at some point you'd have to go get him, which would force you into the same situation that actually happened...


You don't see how waiting for him to calm down might be a good idea? The guy was JUST in a car accident...


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Heffy]
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Heffy said:
Armed guy, coming towards me, doesn't respond to 5 warnings, at a distance of less than 21 feet, in an enclosed space.

I would have shot him dead. 100%.



agreed, completely justified. thats dude knew exactly what was gunna happen if he didn't stop stepping towards that cop with those knives. i would have done the exact same thing if i were in that situation


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: MisterSandman]
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MisterSandman said:
Crystal G said:
The guy was DEFINITELY far enough away distance-wise from the cop, that only one shot was necessary.


Jesus christ, bullets don't kill instantly, is that so hard to understand? Did you not watch the videos posted at the end of page one? The second one took place outdoors, in an open space, and the knife wielder still managed to slash 2-3 officers even after he was hit several times. Far enough away my ass, the guy was like 10 feet away.


Exactly. I have always been told that if someone is 21 feet away or less and they have a knife, you will not have time to draw a weapon and kill him before he's in cutting range. This guy was less than 10ft away and you don't take the chance at that range with those kind of knives.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
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100% justified.


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[quote]sVs said:
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[quote]YSHServant  said:
You are on my turf when you are in the pub.[/quote]

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: dontknow]
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dontknow said:
What do you want the cop to do? Knock on the door and tell him that there will be cops waiting outside for him if he needs to talk?

If the guy is crazy he's not going to just come out and say sorry, you got me. He's going to either 1) kill himself inside because he has cops waiting for him the second he steps out or 2) go outside looking for a fight or 3) just stay inside, and if he just stays inside you can't just say 'wellp, he ain't coming out, let's go home'. So at some point you'd have to go get him, which would force you into the same situation that actually happened...


If he kills himself, he kills himself. He wasnt a threat to anyone else until that officer came in.

Many people who have mental breakdowns and become suicidal calm down if given some space and time to think about the situation. During mental breakdowns people cant process everything going on, and they are unable to understand simple commands, as this video clearly shows.

You cant approach a suicidal person in the same way as you would a suspect. This video makes it very clear how this approach ends up.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: EdibleStereos]
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EdibleStereos said:
dontknow said:
What do you want the cop to do? Knock on the door and tell him that there will be cops waiting outside for him if he needs to talk?

If the guy is crazy he's not going to just come out and say sorry, you got me. He's going to either 1) kill himself inside because he has cops waiting for him the second he steps out or 2) go outside looking for a fight or 3) just stay inside, and if he just stays inside you can't just say 'wellp, he ain't coming out, let's go home'. So at some point you'd have to go get him, which would force you into the same situation that actually happened...


If he kills himself, he kills himself. He wasnt a threat to anyone else until that officer came in.

Many people who have mental breakdowns and become suicidal calm down if given some space and time to think about the situation. During mental breakdowns people cant process everything going on, and they are unable to understand simple commands, as this video clearly shows.

You cant approach a suicidal person in the same way as you would a suspect. This video makes it very clear how this approach ends up.


Seriously I don't get what is so hard to understand about this.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
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LSDylan said:
Seriously I don't get what is so hard to understand about this.



Me either. It is like some people cant look beyond the situation where the officer is already confronting the man. They arent able to understand a situation where the cop chose to not go in gun drawn.

I see this as an outcome of a increasingly militarized police force. Police officers were once trained to protect civilians and see people as needing their protection. Now in some countries, it seems police officers are trained more like soldiers, to view everyone as a possible threat or target.

I believe this shift in mentality in the average police officer in america explains the rising incidence of civilians being shot and killed.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
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the video is a whole 2 minutes long. not much time to think especially when some nut job
is walking towards you with a knife. only a moron would trade his safety for some dipshit'
with a weapon.


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[quote]sVs said:
Adorable overload is imminent.[/quote]

[quote]YSHServant  said:
You are on my turf when you are in the pub.[/quote]

[quote]ButteredToast said:
Shroomery 2012- Thread goes from discussing a possibly deceased member to posting nudes of her.[/quote]

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Heffy]
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Heffy said:
LSDylan said:
Police are NOT trained to shoot to kill :facepalm: They are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized. Having a bullet go in my stomach and come out of my back the size of a baseball would neutralize the fuck out of me. I'd drop those knives and be on the floor.


So the solution to a potentially suicidal guy is to go into the house with your gun already drawn? I've never heard of saving suicidal people that way.


The police here are trained to fire at the center of body mass until the target falls down.


DUHHHHH



ever hear of liability? it's a farce, though, because hey guess what? you're job is protect people, not yourself. but of course, can't have employees putting themselves in danger... even if it's their job.

get out the police drones, because a cop might get hurt, heaven forbid!

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Heffy said:
Armed guy, coming towards me, doesn't respond to 5 warnings, at a distance of less than 21 feet, in an enclosed space.

I would have shot him dead. 100%.


That.

Some of you other posters have an amazingly stupid and short-sighted view of things.


that is some stupid shit. anyone who doesn't understand the concept, maybe could be considered stupid... no one disagrees with this concept though... but the truth is... cops are pussies. face the facts. they are more often then not, absolute pussified jag-offs.

:highfive:

trekie said:
Guy walks threateningly towards officer with 2 knives. Of course he is gonna be shot big fucking deal.

I feel bad for the cop who now has to live with the fact he had to kill someone for the rest of his life.


The guy shouldn't have been a bitch and just killed himself by himself fucking people.

Forcing someone else to kill you because you are to afraid too is one of the worst things you can do as a human. :picard:


hahahahahaha oy...

*smacks forehead*

shit, oh, yeah he was forced to kill him... :lol: just like how everyone feels about their "justified killings". you like terrorism?

Not Responding said:
they are trained to shoot till the body drops. he dropped after 5. if he would have dropped after 2, he would have only fired twice.


oh man DUHHH he was trained, so i was trained to eat babies. it's ok, i'm a professional.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
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jesus christ. what are you 12? :facepalm:


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[quote]sVs said:
Adorable overload is imminent.[/quote]

[quote]YSHServant  said:
You are on my turf when you are in the pub.[/quote]

[quote]ButteredToast said:
Shroomery 2012- Thread goes from discussing a possibly deceased member to posting nudes of her.[/quote]

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
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xanderofpella said:
the video is a whole 2 minutes long. not much time to think especially when some nut job
is walking towards you with a knife. only a moron would trade his safety for some dipshit'
with a weapon.


Did you skip right to the part where the cop is in front of the guy with the knives or did you see the beginning where he walked himself right into that situation? He should have yelled into the house and let him know he needed to come out and then waited for him to calm down.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
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LSDylan said:
xanderofpella said:
the video is a whole 2 minutes long. not much time to think especially when some nut job
is walking towards you with a knife. only a moron would trade his safety for some dipshit'
with a weapon.


Did you skip right to the part where the cop is in front of the guy with the knives or did you see the beginning where he walked himself right into that situation? He should have yelled into the house and let him know he needed to come out and then waited for him to calm down.


Bingo.:thumbup:

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
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xanderofpella said:
jesus christ. what are you 12? :facepalm:


no. but even a twelve year old can see that cops killing people isn't necessary when there are other options.

Crystal G said:
Not Responding said:
they are trained to shoot till the body drops. he dropped after 5. if he would have dropped after 2, he would have only fired twice.


Did you see how far apart the bullets were spaced apart? It was literally one after the other after the other. The body would take at least a couple seconds to drop. He didn't even give half a second in between each bullet.


cop was a massive pussy with a boner. strange combination.

Not Responding said:
they are trained to intervene. same situation when someone is trying to jump or a guy has a gun to his head. they cant just ignore it.

come on, man...


lol, c'mon... job first? or safety first? hmmm, the answer seems pretty obvious.

are any of you people cops, or know any cops or ANYTHING that would have you believe this bullshit you guys spout?

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: EdibleStereos]
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I feel bad for the friends of the victim who called the police.

You can hear how she reacts when she finds out they shot and killed her friend. I doubt things went down how she thought they would.

This should be a lesson to reconsider involving police in situations like this, and it greatly changes the odds of how things will end.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
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This thread is full of hippie visions and children. I'm done with this. Mods, please lock and check the age of every user who disagreed.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
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Not Responding said:
This thread is full of hippie visions and children. I'm done with this. Mods, please lock and check the age of every user who disagreed.



This is what you resort to when you cant reason an actual response?:lol:

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
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EdibleStereos said:
Did the cop really think someone freaking out like that would be able to respond rationally? That is the entire issue with dealing with someone who is suicidal, is they are not rational. You wont be able to force them to understand by yelling at them and pointing a gun at them.


but... but... it's not his jerb@! :tearchalice:

:lol: lets feel bad that he couldn't do his job so easily.

Not Responding said:
This thread is full of hippie visions and children. I'm done with this. Mods, please lock and check the age of every user who disagreed.


lol, no, it's filled with a bunch of losers who would rather justify killing a person, then finding actual solutions. =p typical human behavior.

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