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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #19506776 - 02/01/14 03:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't question what the cop did. I feel like he felt genuinely threatened and he did what he felt was necessary to ensure that he got home to his kids and wife that evening. It was a very difficult and tense situation. Hind sight is 20/20.

I don't think he knew that the guy was going to be so close when he rounded the corner on his way into the kitchen. Ideally at that point, it would have been nice if the officer could have, 1) identified that the person had knives and 2) backed away in a safe manner, with his gun drawn, to a position of safety (likely outside the house). At that point he could have waited for backup and possibly someone with negotiating experience. It is my belief in situations like that, time to de-escalate pays off in a big way.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
    #19506787 - 02/01/14 03:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the video is a whole 2 minutes long. not much time to think especially when some nut job
is walking towards you with a knife. only a moron would trade his safety for some dipshit'
with a weapon.




Did you skip right to the part where the cop is in front of the guy with the knives or did you see the beginning where he walked himself right into that situation? He should have yelled into the house and let him know he needed to come out and then waited for him to calm down.





i saw the part where the cop was told he was trying to cut himself with a knife, and the part
where the cop expressed his concern for dipshits safety by telling him it's not worth hurting
himself over a car wreck, and the part where dipshit came out with a knife. oh and the part where
the cop told dipshit 5 times to put the knife down or he will shoot him, and i saw dipshit keep
walking towards him.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
    #19506799 - 02/01/14 03:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the dipshit is the cop

big wang load of dipshit.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
    #19506801 - 02/01/14 03:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i've seen an episode of cops where they had a mentally disturbed guy on the side of the highway with a knife surrounded in much closer quarters. they all had their guns on him and were urging him to put the knife down. the guy ended up being shot only after he took a swipe at one of the officers with his weapon. from what i saw, i think that case was a justified shooting. i'm also pretty sure he lived, but it's been awhile since i've seen that one.

this case seems different to me from what i've seen. for one, if the officer truly felt that there was an imminent threat to himself or other people in the house - who, from my impression, were all outside except for the suspect - he could and should have called for backup before entering the house. secondly, while the idiot suspect did not comply with the officer's orders, i didn't see any aggression. i do agree that a tazer is probably risky in a situation like this, but at the same time the officer had the option to shoot the suspect once and retreat rather than nearly unloading his clip on him.

it's all too easy for me to say what i would have done in this situation, but if i had even entered the house to begin with i would've retreated, probably all the way back outside the house if need be, and given him more of a chance to live. be that as it may, there isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that this will be determined to be a legitimate shooting and the officer in question will be vindicated of any possible charges and probably called a hero at some point in the local media.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: millzy]
    #19506806 - 02/01/14 03:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

don't be out of control, or you die!1

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: xanderofpella]
    #19506815 - 02/01/14 03:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yup.

This guy gets it.


I'm also on my phone. If you really want to get into it, wait till I get to my pc.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19506818 - 02/01/14 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Moral of the story, listen to the guy with the gun who is trying to help you


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: dontknow]
    #19506822 - 02/01/14 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

make a club house.
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dontknow said:
Moral of the story, listen to the guy with the gun who is trying to help you




no, moral of the story... don't get into any accident. you might get shot by a cop. also (unless you're a cop) use rationale at all times, even if your head has been (or is current being) pounded in. but if you're a cop, please feel free to disregard everyone's safety, it's your job!1

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19506825 - 02/01/14 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
don't be out of control, or you die!1

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Until your life is in danger... Then you're screaming mommy and 911.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
    #19506831 - 02/01/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not Responding said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
don't be out of control, or you die!1

- USA




Until your life is in danger... Then you're screaming mommy and 911.



faulty assumption.

i have my own protection for such an occasion.

i am not like you... i'm not American. i don't squeel and screech over danger.

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19506833 - 02/01/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's a pretty dumb way to look at it.

If he had just knocked over the poll, there would never have been a gun pointed at him. He was only ever in danger because he presented a danger to the officer who gave him ample warnings


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19506841 - 02/01/14 03:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So what makes your protection different from that cops protection?


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
    #19506848 - 02/01/14 04:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not Responding said:
So what makes your protection different from that cops protection?




I don't walk myself into dangerous situations.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
    #19506852 - 02/01/14 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

we need cops; good ones who can think on their feet and not act like they're playing call of duty. the person ultimately responsible for the suspect's life in this situation was the officer and in this instance his decision making led to an unnecessary death.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
    #19506854 - 02/01/14 04:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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LSDylan said:
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EdibleStereos said:
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dontknow said:
What do you want the cop to do? Knock on the door and tell him that there will be cops waiting outside for him if he needs to talk?

If the guy is crazy he's not going to just come out and say sorry, you got me. He's going to either 1) kill himself inside because he has cops waiting for him the second he steps out or 2) go outside looking for a fight or 3) just stay inside, and if he just stays inside you can't just say 'wellp, he ain't coming out, let's go home'. So at some point you'd have to go get him, which would force you into the same situation that actually happened...




If he kills himself, he kills himself. He wasnt a threat to anyone else until that officer came in.

Many people who have mental breakdowns and become suicidal calm down if given some space and time to think about the situation. During mental breakdowns people cant process everything going on, and they are unable to understand simple commands, as this video clearly shows.

You cant approach a suicidal person in the same way as you would a suspect. This video makes it very clear how this approach ends up.




Seriously I don't get what is so hard to understand about this.




How long should the cop have waited before going in? How many times should he have called out to the guy who was hiding silently around the corner? Should they have brought out a megaphone to discuss the pros and cons of killing yourself in front of the neighborhood as they tried to talk this unresponsive guy down?

You never go into closed quarters without your gun drawn when you know somebody has a knife. If they come at you from 21 feet or less you will not have time to draw. The cop didn't escalate the situation he tried repeatedly to diffuse it. The woman who called the police escalated it by doing just that.

The cop did not expect the guy to be right around the corner because he never spoke up. He didn't go rummaging through bedrooms until he found the kid, he poked his head in to make sure the kid hadn't already offed himself, and then the kid came at him.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
    #19506858 - 02/01/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Guess that means the cop has bigger balls.


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: dontknow]
    #19506861 - 02/01/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i'm gonna presume you've never been in an accident. let me explain... it's... confusing to be in accident, especially a bigger one then something like hitting a pole... and it's also not the cops job to point guns... it's his job to assess how he can help citizens.

guns are not always involved in this, unless you're a cop. because cops have to protect themselves. which is true, but unfortunately he wasn't in danger before he put himself in danger, in this case... hence, the gun pointing was not necessary. any police officer worth his salt, will identify whether the situation calls for him getting into a persons range with a gun point firmly at someone's chest.

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Not Responding said:
So what makes your protection different from that cops protection?



because i can assess whether or not i'll be needing to kill someone or not. cops don't, because it's their jobs to be massive pussies.

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RiderOnTheStorm said:

The cop did not expect the guy to be right around the corner because he never spoke up. He didn't go rummaging through bedrooms until he found the kid, he poked his head in to make sure the kid hadn't already offed himself, and then the kid came at him.




*hasn't heard of backup*


right?

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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
    #19506868 - 02/01/14 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The likelihood of something bad happening goes way up from him entering the home. How do you think pointing a gun at an irrational suicidal person with a knife will make them drop the knife? Please explain how you think that is a good way to get somebody to not kill themselves...


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: LSDylan]
    #19506873 - 02/01/14 04:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

LSDylan said:
Quote:

Not Responding said:
So what makes your protection different from that cops protection?




I don't walk myself into dangerous situations.




You also realize shit happens reguardless, right?


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Re: Do you think this is a justified shooting? [Re: Not Responding]
    #19506880 - 02/01/14 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

LOL, he just stumbled onto the scene of an accident?


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