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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1909495 - 09/12/03 02:17 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

please cite your 'authority was given' claim, I've never seen
that mentioned anywhere.

it's long, but an interesting read...it makes you think.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

regarding your last question, again, be reasonable, you obviously
can't shoot down a plane that has already crashed, but ask yourself
why planes were only scrambled in massachusettes AFTER the first
plane hit the WTC and in DC AFTER the plane had hit the pentagon
when they knew long before that these aircraft had been hijacked and
it is standard operating procedure to scramble immediately once that
conclusion has been reached...

(edit: typo)


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: afoaf]
    #1909734 - 09/12/03 03:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I watched the animation.

It proved that the person who made it has some knowledge of Flash.

That is all it proved.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1909737 - 09/12/03 03:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

proof can only be acquired through asking the right questions. This animation asked a lot of those questions... too bad the Bush Admin refuses to answer... I guess they "do not recall..."


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: afoaf]
    #1909738 - 09/12/03 03:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I wish I had the link to that article that talked about this whole thing. I did see interviews with the fighter pilots the other day though. They found out the first plain hit as they were taking off I believe. They were also just behind the second plain. They missed it by a couple of minutes basically. The show convinced me that with the way things were set up to work at the time, everything was done the best it could have been. The FAA seemed to have screwed up and waited to long to make the initial call though.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1909878 - 09/12/03 04:21 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

so, has anyone at the FAA been fired for this
enormous lapse of reason and protocol?

have any systemic changes been made to the
way they handle things to prevent disasters
like this from happening again?

B_H, did I say the flash page definitively proved
anything other than the president was where the
entire world knows he was that morning, yet he
claims was not?

if anything, that page proves that the author has
little knowledge of flash...it's shoddy work, at best.



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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: afoaf]
    #1909921 - 09/12/03 04:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
have any systemic changes been made to the
way they handle things to prevent disasters
like this from happening again




Yes, most definately. Have you flown since then?


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1910135 - 09/12/03 05:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

and today box cutter's were snuck onto planes at a dozen major US airports.

ahem.


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    #1910138 - 09/12/03 05:17 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You lost me on that one.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1910152 - 09/12/03 05:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

sense=0


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1910223 - 09/12/03 05:31 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

From Drudge Report:

GAO Agents Successfully Smuggle Box Cutters Past TSA Screeners
Fri Sep 12 2003 11:07:53 ET

Undercover agents were able to sneak box cutters past screeners at about half a dozen airports over the summer, prompting an inquiry into airport-security lapses by the chairman of a House aviation panel, The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday. MORE

GAO inspectors evaded detection by airport screeners after concealing box cutters among their belongings, according to a person familiar with the results. The person declined to identify the airports but said they ranged in size. At no time, this person said, were the inspectors stopped by airport screeners, some working directly for the federal government and others for private contractors.

The tests were conducted by the GAO's Office of Special Investigations in response to a request in April by House Aviation Subcommittee Chairman John Mica (R., Fla.). A spokesman for Mr. Mica said Thursday that the congressman plans to hold a hearing on the GAO findings within two weeks.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1910231 - 09/12/03 05:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, no one watches the news.

what the hell. there was a thing on fox news about how inspectors snuck box cutters onto planes, but i cant find it mentioned anywhere online.

no surprise, though.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Autonomous]
    #1910238 - 09/12/03 05:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

ty sir.


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    #1910355 - 09/12/03 06:01 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Nice. It does not surprise me though. The question is can they hijack a plain with boxcutters now? Can they get into the cabin, or are the new doors really secure?


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1910517 - 09/12/03 07:04 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

They shou ld make a law where people have to fly naked.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1910520 - 09/12/03 07:05 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ewwwwww.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1910531 - 09/12/03 07:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I get a lot of gas when I fly - low air pressure and all that... Do you think more people would notice it if I was nude?


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Autonomous]
    #1910751 - 09/12/03 09:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

they'd be too busy staring at your man-boobs...

:smirk:

shakta, I'm talking about the FAA's notification
systems, NORAD and air force response times
and the like.

you can't get into the cabin, but you could pack
a little C4 in your bag and have a merry ol time.... 


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