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OfflinePhluck
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Faked documents, embarassed Americans.
    #1415199 - 03/27/03 07:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.rense.com/general36/who.htm

It seems that the documents "proving" the Iraqis were obtaining the means to create nuclear weapons were faked.
Now, that's pretty bad and all, but the thing is, they weren't even faked well.

"It took Baute's team only a few hours to determine that the documents were fake. The agency had been given about a half-dozen letters and other communications between officials in Niger and Iraq, many of them written on letterheads of the Niger government. The problems were glaring. One letter, dated October 10, 2000, was signed with the name of Allele Habibou, a Niger Minister of Foreign Affairs and Co?peration, who had been out of office since 1989. Another letter, allegedly from Tandja Mamadou, the President of Niger, had a signature that had obviously been faked and a text with inaccuracies so egregious, the senior I.A.E.A. official said, that "they could be spotted by someone using Google on the Internet." "

Apparently MI6 were probably the manufacturers of the documents. Did the CIA buy into these forgeries, or were they in on it as well?

Really though, what the fuck? I'm disapointed, really. What the FUCK is the US government doing?

Also, I was wondering, this story has been getting pretty big attention on CBC radio in Canada, but I haven't heard any mentions anywhere else. Anyone heard anything about this in the general american media?


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Phluck]
    #1415270 - 03/27/03 08:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What do you think?


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415293 - 03/27/03 08:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know. It seems almost too big to be true, but the evidence seems to be pretty glaring.

I'd guess the CIA probably knew... but, weird.


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Phluck]
    #1415310 - 03/27/03 08:37 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well, Colin Powell, with the help of Tony Blair, did plagerize a Brittish grad student's research paper on Iraq done 12 years ago and presented it to the UN...

I don't doubt this story for a second.
You're a victim of Shock and Awe...
at the government's blatant lies.


Edited by dee_N_ae (03/27/03 08:39 PM)


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Phluck]
    #1415319 - 03/27/03 08:42 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Our media reported this about a week after the "proofs" were presented in security council.
I'm completely shocked that you got it only now!


Edited by zeronio (03/27/03 08:43 PM)


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: zeronio]
    #1415368 - 03/27/03 09:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Was it widespread?

I get all the major american media sources, and I've heard nothing about this.


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Phluck]
    #1415374 - 03/27/03 09:05 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Nor have I.......

This story is nowhere in the mainstream American media, and I'm fairly certain it hasn't been.


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: ]
    #1415397 - 03/27/03 09:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Colin Powell, with the help of Tony Blair, did plagerize a Brittish grad student's research paper on Iraq done 12 years ago and presented it to the UN...





Sorry for the confusion. I meant this one ^^^!
I heard about it on the national TV and major daily newspaper. This information came out immediately in the UK, because the author started complaining.  :grin:
12 years old documents were presented as proofs that Iraq is still developing WMD.


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: zeronio]
    #1415482 - 03/27/03 09:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The British dossier that was presented has been reported to have been plagerized. I don't know if this is the same thing as that, but that happened right after England showed it to the UN.

PS I don't know why England always gets a free pass in this shit. They're the ones that cut the Middle East up like a jig-saw puzzle after WWII.



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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415862 - 03/28/03 11:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Where are Innvertigo, pinksharkmark, and lovdemshrooms on this thread?



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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #1415869 - 03/28/03 11:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Where are Innvertigo, pinksharkmark, and lovdemshrooms on this thread?


scrambling for cover... :smirk:


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Phluck]
    #1415928 - 03/28/03 01:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Faked you say?


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Phluck]
    #1416618 - 03/29/03 09:48 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry...had to bump this. Still no reply from the regulars?...I'm interested in their take on this...


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Rono]
    #1416684 - 03/29/03 11:39 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Where are Innvertigo, pinksharkmark, and lovdemshrooms on this thread?


scrambling for cover... :smirk: 



What a pompus ass. Perhaps there is no need to scramble for cover. The evidence supports that the claims were bullshit, what  more is there to say?


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Rono]
    #1416756 - 03/29/03 01:00 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I still haven't had time to read the entire article yet. Im a little lost ont he subject.

Seems really interesting...I wish it could become more widespread.

I dont think it would ever show up on a mainstream newscast in the United States. I was talking to a guy yesterday who got a degree in political science, who was talking about how the mainstream newscasts are not allowed to speak in any negative way about the US goverment. Basically our news casts are only talking half the truth. Its really bad. A lot of people are unaware or too ignorant to pick up on it.

Thats why its always good to read alternative articles and articles written outside the US. I think it totally broadens the perspective for all.


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1416836 - 03/29/03 02:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

What a pompus ass. 




Yes...I certainly can be.  :smirk:  Although sometimes I hate being right...


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Edited by Rono (03/29/03 02:28 PM)


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Rono]
    #1417300 - 03/29/03 09:45 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

So that's it....luvdem agrees that the evidence was fraudulant. Does he still believe the bombing of Iraq is justified, now that it is clear to him that not only did the US not present much evidence at all to justify this war, but that the evidence they did show was a pile of mule dung?

Inny?
Pinky?



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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: Phluck]
    #1417833 - 03/30/03 04:42 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Did it say in that article if 'the Americans' are actually embarassed over this?

They seem like a shameless lot to me...

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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1417852 - 03/30/03 05:08 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck you Frenchie! Go eat some more moldy cheese and don't shave your armpits either!


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Re: Faked documents, embarassed Americans. [Re: friartuck]
    #1417907 - 03/30/03 06:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well doodie, being as I've said all along I hope there wouldn't be a war, let's see if you can find where I said the bombing was justified.

And you really need to work on your understanding of what was said. I agreed that paper was bogus. Never did I say all the evidence was.

Pretty sad Doodie.


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