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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Rono]
    #1906932 - 09/11/03 08:51 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

What's fact is that the investigators that were hired to investigate the 9/11 attacks weren't allowed to see video tapes from one of the many many video cameras surroudning the pentagon, nor were they allowed into either of the crash sites. The eye witness accounts of the airplane crashing into the pentagon state that the plane did a sharp 180 turn then proceeded to perform a 2 and a half minute spiral down 7000 feet into the pentagon. The hijackers were described by their flight instructor as "Dumb and Dumber". That's fact, and one of the many that point directly at this being a conspiracy. You're just too close minded to take the time to look at the evidence.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: MisterKite]
    #1907117 - 09/11/03 09:46 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

There is no evidence, and anyone who believes it is weakminded. As the previous post stated only 14 jets were on alert to protect the entire country. It was believed that air attacks were not a very serious threat, what with the Cold War being over and all. The last time we were attacked from the air was 1941. I find it repugnant as hell how people second guess the people that tried there hardest to protect us that day including the President. This crap about him sitting in the school is just retarded. They left as soon as they were prepared to leave. They also drove at very high speeds once they did leave to get the President in the air. Air Force 1 took off at the highest rate of speed and highest angle it ever has. We were woefully unprepared for the situation for sure. This poppycock about the President knowing ahead of time is completely ridiculous, and the shoestring of dots 'connecting' it all together was created by a lying convict.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1907208 - 09/11/03 10:07 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

that's a whole lotta hot air...


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1907432 - 09/11/03 10:57 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

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There is no evidence, and anyone who believes it is weakminded



Another Bush apologist resorts to name calling.I assure you my friend you will find ME anything but weak minded.I asked for a point by point timeline which refutes the clip shown in the first post and the best you can come up with is" Nothing to see here, Move along you looky loos"FEH! out of those 14 jets at least half would have been in position to strike if they would have accelerated beyond 25% velocity.That is if our CIC was really in the loop,eh?
So do you have as well an apology for this timeline as stated or are you going with the "weak mind" defense again
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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1907536 - 09/11/03 11:32 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

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There is no evidence, and anyone who believes it is weakminded. As the previous post stated only 14 jets were on alert to protect the entire country. It was believed that air attacks were not a very serious threat, what with the Cold War being over and all. The last time we were attacked from the air was 1941.




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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Learyfan]
    #1907590 - 09/11/03 11:47 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

What is the point of animating text except to prevent you from thinking about the words?


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1907606 - 09/11/03 11:53 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Learyfan]
    #1907615 - 09/11/03 11:56 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

That link you provided was an art piece, not an informative news piece.

Adding music to animated words does not make them any truer.

Good luck with your theory though. Maybe if you get some of the victims families involved you will gain some credibility.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1907639 - 09/12/03 12:03 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

It doesn't make it less true either. Come on. Music makes everything more entertaining. Anything that can attract people's attention to the situation is good.






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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1907652 - 09/12/03 12:09 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

There is no evidence, and anyone who believes it is weakminded.

there is plenty of evidence that the president knew the first plane had
hit before going in, knew the second had hit and still sat there for
another twenty minutes and then doddled for a bit and ended his
speaking op as previously planned, despite the fact that the entire nation
was being attacked from the skies and he is the only person in the
entire country who had the authority to take any definitive action.

there is also plenty of evidence to indicate that the protocols and rules
surrounding situations such as these have been carried out by the
books properly leading up to, and likely, since september 11th.

I find it repugnant as hell how people second guess the people that tried there hardest to protect us that day including the President. This crap about him sitting in the school is just retarded. They left as soon as they were prepared to leave.

I don't think anyone second guesses the rescue personnel in
pennsylvania, new york or d.c. for their courageous and selfless
work in the face of such devastation.

I do second guess the president's competency, and that of the
people who surround him when the nation is under attack and
depends wholly on his leadership and he does nothing less than
absolutely nothing. one of the biggest tragedies is knowingly
unfolding upon us and he decides to keep going with the PR stunt,
ignoring his responsibilities as commander and chief, so as not
to 'frighten the children'...leaving only when he was prepared to
instead of when he NEEDED to.

They also drove at very high speeds once they did leave to get the President in the air. Air 1Force 1 took off at the highest rate of speed and highest angle it ever has.

that's the hot air I'm talking about...back any of that hoo haw up
with some fact, please. and even then, what does that prove? I'd
hoped they woulda hauled ass out of there an hour and a half
earlier when the FAA and NORAD first became aware that planes
were off course and incommunicado.

We were woefully unprepared for the situation for sure. This poppycock about the President knowing ahead of time is completely ridiculous, and the shoestring of dots 'connecting' it all together was created by a lying convict.

convict? who?

every person and agency that has compiled the list of contradictory
official documents that prove that the administration and agencies
knew more than they let on to and earlier than they claimed and
STILL did nothing were all written or compiled by lying convicts?

now who's reaching for straws and shoestrings.

it's one thing to support bush, that's fine.

but there still needs to be an independent investigation carried out
on topic by someone other than the murderous thug, kissinger, to
determine what failed, why and how we can improve.

historical precedent shows that the government is equally adept
at lying to the population and putting political agenda before
civilian and military lives.

I wonder, will this be another one of those threads where you
miraculously 'change your stance' once every thread of your
baseless and adolescent arguments are refutted?

I sure hope so.

the truth will set us all free.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: afoaf]
    #1908119 - 09/12/03 02:45 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

The entire conspiracy was strung together by a lunatic. If you buy this whole line of BS you are more gullible than I thought. I have no reason to provide proof that the President did not know about the attack, especially since no one has provided any real proof he did.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: afoaf]
    #1908130 - 09/12/03 02:48 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

The entire conspiracy was strung together by a lunatic. If you buy this whole line of BS you are more gullible than I thought. I have no reason to provide proof that the President did not know about the attack, especially since no one has provided any real proof he did.

As far as changing my stance goes, sorry if that bothers you. I can change my mind on things from time to time, and I try to honestly evaluate things. Admitting when you are wrong is a good thing to do. Unfortunately some here don't grasp the concept at all.

What would you have had him do? Basically this entire 'theory' is based on the fact he did not go running out of the school with his hands waving like mad.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1908716 - 09/12/03 07:07 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

you're wasting your time, they're conspiracy nutjobs. They'd be willing to give you facts only after their tin foil hats are securely in place and them pesky black helicopters go away..


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1908758 - 09/12/03 08:11 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

Have you actually clicked the link and watched it all the way through?


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: GazzBut]
    #1908766 - 09/12/03 08:17 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

LOL, its amazing what you can do with 2 years of hindsight...
Next we'll be hearing how Elvis and JFK secretly planned 9/11....


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1908785 - 09/12/03 08:31 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

Very humourous...Have you clicked the link? If so which parts exactly do you think are as outlandish as Elvis claims etc..


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: GazzBut]
    #1908831 - 09/12/03 09:10 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

I did not have to. We have had this same tired argument before.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1908844 - 09/12/03 09:22 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

Perhaps your should...seems kind of close minded to dismiss it without even bothering to view it.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: GazzBut]
    #1908849 - 09/12/03 09:34 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

Not when I have seen the entire argument presented before.


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Re: "Bush Knew........An American Requiem" (Flash animation) [Re: shakta]
    #1908856 - 09/12/03 09:42 AM (17 years, 23 days ago)

How do you know if you have seen this before without even looking at it?? Basically, you have decided what you think and thats that. Im not saying whether Bush knew or not. THe info in the link is fairly intruiging though. Perhaps you would be so kind as to have a look and tell me what is wrong with it?


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