Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 |  [ show all ]
Holding on to a realisation?
    #19057559 -

Today I had an epiphany. It was that I am connected with everything and I am by no means merely limited to this body. This realisation felt amazing! I was happy, energetic and clear on my place in life. I would want to feel like that all day, every day! The day has passed and I find myself feeling almost empty, I don't feel amazing anymore, and the realisation has lost it's allure. I know what I was realising is true on an intellectual level, but now 'I get nothing from it' if you know what I mean. Why does the feeling go away? Is it because I am trying to hold onto it?

PS. This happens every time I have an epiphany/realisation.


--------------------
My real name is David McKenna, I'm not that weird.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna]
    #19057575 -

As I am one with you, please send me all your money. This will help you to solidify this deep realization. :yesnod:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19057962 -

Your title says it all,

You may have crafted it as, how to hold on to a realisation?

But I see, is holding on to the realization, stagnating my understanding?


--------------------
I am that, which is.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna]
    #19058502 -

In my opinion, the fact that you had it ensured that it would eventually diminish.

Anything that arises into existence will eventually disappear again. It is only that which is non-arising which is everlasting.

Idk that was the approach to your same issue that I read in a book by Ramana Maharshi anyway.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna] * 1
    #19058646 -

My dad died almost four years ago, 2 months after he died my uncle was diagnosed with cancer too and died about 9 months later.

When my dad was dying, he accepted his coming death and died very peacefully. The whole process and how it made him was the closest thing to enlightenment I have ever witnessed.

My uncle resisted, a lot. He fought until the very end. It was a very ugly and painful death.

Take what you will from that and apply it to how you're treating and thinking of your experience.


--------------------
To be human is to be fettered, to endure what one is, in perpetuum, no matter what the debility or perversity.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19059150 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
As I am one with you, please send me all your money. This will help you to solidify this deep realization. :yesnod:


your definition of 'one' and others definition of 'one' do not match. As is proven with this ridiculous statement which makes the truth of what it means to be one, mixed up with this nonsense you keep propagating. Apparently you are the one adding more to the intellectual realization than is necessary, making it deeper than it is.

Scientifically speaking, we are all one, every single atom in your body was forged in the furnace of a star, as is mine. We do all come from the stars. We are apart of the universe, we are therefore 'self-aware universe', taking what is given and making it into more. Observing, aware of the fact that we are aware of the fact and the such.


That is pretty much all there is too it.

Realizing oneness isn't enlightenment or really even an awakening. Its just the way things are. If realizing this makes you feel better for awhile, than awesome.  But like OP said, the realization loses its magic. It is just a small piece to an ever-increasing puzzle. We love staying curious and I think the magic getting lost must happen to spark that inherent curiousness in us all.

It's the curiosity part that drives us. OP this is just part of the process, so that you can move on to the next one.


--------------------
zen by age ten times six hundred lifetimes
Light up the darkness.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna]
    #19059232 -

well
mental contents is both the feeling and the idea.
the idea is associative or you could say cognitive (maybe even logical)
and the feeling is organic. (resultant of many physical causes)

that they happened together joins them in your experience.
and while the feeling is there but fading, the idea can re-finance it to a bit of glory, but the feeling passes,
it gets used up or expensed out.

the idea now is associated with a memory of that experience which had an amazing feeling, but it did not cause the experience, it just happened with it. you were ready to glow, and the idea made it richer.

that's it

that was it.

that will be it again one day if you are lucky


--------------------
:brainfart: _ :finger:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna]
    #19059354 -

davidmckenna said:
Today I had an epiphany. It was that I am connected with everything and I am by no means merely limited to this body. This realisation felt amazing! I was happy, energetic and clear on my place in life. I would want to feel like that all day, every day! The day has passed and I find myself feeling almost empty, I don't feel amazing anymore, and the realisation has lost it's allure. I know what I was realising is true on an intellectual level, but now 'I get nothing from it' if you know what I mean. Why does the feeling go away? Is it because I am trying to hold onto it?

PS. This happens every time I have an epiphany/realisation.



Abraham Maslow often associated self actualization with peak experiences, that is ecstasy, profound revelations, epiphanies, and the like. Some humanists believe that repeating the activities which caused intense feelings may increase the chance of them happening again.

Try reading into Humanism. It stresses free will and its apex is self actualization.


--------------------
TRUMP 2020

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19061428 -

OrgoneConclusion said:
As I am one with you, please send me all your money. This will help you to solidify this deep realization. :yesnod:


Why would I send you all my money, when there's a limited amount of it and I'm also one with starving people in third world countries who need it more?


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: NetDiver]
    #19061668 -

Because of the satisfaction of finally winning an internet argument. :yesnod:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19061679 -

Congratulations , you won an argument that only you participated in.  :handth:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: Withinity]
    #19061739 -

One must start somewhere. :shrug:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: hTx]
    #19061810 -

I think you're right but whenever the feeling fades, I feel very depressed, like I've been thrown to the other end of the scale. I don't feel any more curiosity, I just feel as if it's pointless trying to 'figure it all out' as whenever I come close, it disappears after a short amount of time. I become so apathetic! What am I doing wrong?!


--------------------
My real name is David McKenna, I'm not that weird.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna]
    #19061869 -

I've been going through exactly the same thing you are describing..at times even second and triple guessing the validity of my own experiences..mostly due to the at times seeming pointlessness in them. But a mystery isn't pointless just because we cannot figure it out.
You are describing the conundrum I wrote about a few months ago.

In my case it is figuring something out (intellectual realization of oneness) feeling satisfied about it (feelings of bliss) and than asking myself eventually "OK there is that..so what?" Driving the search for truth and answers that much deeper as I become apathetic towards the question which brought me to the answer (Epiphany).

The answer doesn't seem to be the problem rather the lack of a question that happens afterwards.

Keep questioning. The rabbit hole only gets deeper. Don't get attached to a certain feeling or your search will become more about hedonism. Nothing wrong about feeling good all the time but there is more to the universe than this..perhaps anyway.


--------------------
zen by age ten times six hundred lifetimes
Light up the darkness.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: hTx]
    #19061892 -

You seem to be mellowing out in your old age. :thumbup::lol:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna]
    #19062350 -

davidmckenna said:
I think you're right but whenever the feeling fades, I feel very depressed, like I've been thrown to the other end of the scale. I don't feel any more curiosity, I just feel as if it's pointless trying to 'figure it all out' as whenever I come close, it disappears after a short amount of time. I become so apathetic! What am I doing wrong?!


You're not doing anything wrong. Do some research man, depression is a huge and expected part of awakening.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: davidmckenna]
    #19062478 -

davidmckenna said:
Why does the feeling go away? Is it because I am trying to hold onto it?




We normally have a very limited sense of self. Until a person experiences the unlimited self, or oneness, they probably won't realize how limited and burdensome we've made our selves. Experiencing oneness can naturally be a joyful experience because it is a lifting of a burden. Its like breaking out of prison.

Our normal sense of self is a very difficult thing to let go of. So when these openings occur, they almost always close back up. The normal self reassembles the prison walls and so the joy of escape is over.

It is your limited self that wants to hold on to the joy you felt, but it wants the joy without deconstructing itself. Experiencing oneness is not the result of intellectual activity, the experience cannot be produced by thought.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: XUL]
    #19063114 -

XUL said:
Abraham Maslow often associated self actualization with peak experiences, that is ecstasy, profound revelations, epiphanies, and the like.


my psychiatrist associates those experiences with hypomania :grin:

Quote:
Some humanists believe that repeating the activities which caused intense feelings may increase the chance of them happening again.

Try reading into Humanism. It stresses free will and its apex is self actualization.


there are too many simple obstacles in life, and not enough simplicity to see and do something about them.  for example, some stick out a shitty job because that's what they were taught to do, and if they don't do it, then they're a pussy.  IME leaving stressful situations out of the picture drastically increases how often I feel ecstasy, and get insights into my life and nature.  such simple things can all out stop us from feeling the freedom of a stress-free lifestyle and state of mind.

Edited by Hobozen (10/31/13 02:26 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19063443 -

Quote:
my psychiatrist associates those experiences with hypomania :grin:


You may point out to him that self actualization and hypomania are different in that hypomania is associated with irritability or recklessness. Conversely a self actualized person is neither of those two things.

Quote:
some stick out a shitty job because that's what they were taught to do, and if they don't do it, then they're a pussy


Learning theorists might associate this with operant or classical conditioning such as what you speak of. But I think I prefer to mix it up and consider social implications. That is, the ideas of social learning theorists.

But who really knows what is correct? According to one of my psychology books trait theorists are among the most accurate and often clinical psychologists use these methods. The big five, or five factor model, is an interesting idea. Check it out.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: Holding on to a realisation? [Re: windowlikcer]
    #19063541 -

Is apathy part of it?


--------------------
My real name is David McKenna, I'm not that weird.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 |  [ show all ]

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

General Interest > Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Hypomania Mush 4 Brains 180 0 11/20/17 01:44 AM
by Mush 4 Brains
* A very confusing experience. PsilosKube 923 7 06/30/03 03:10 AM
by Strumpling
* TOOL concert is a spiritual experience *DELETED*
( 1 2 all )		 Draig 4,279 25 08/07/02 04:24 PM
by DasKomet
* Epiphany! Anonymous 2,105 19 01/16/09 02:09 AM
by deranger
* Share Epiphanies gettinjiggywithit 1,030 9 01/15/09 08:44 AM
by Noteworthy
* Satori,,conversion experiences(please post) ZenGecko 1,376 15 12/20/12 10:54 AM
by Rool Kat
* Near Death Experiences
( 1 2 all )		 Earth_Droid 3,380 35 02/15/03 11:59 AM
by shlauncha
* Peyote Experience ~ Guys broken Ankle healed in seconds
( 1 2 all )		 CreatorMatrix14 3,780 24 04/08/04 01:13 PM
by Jim

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
2,103 topic views. 1 members, 2 guests and 16 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 16 queries.