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How do you know your thinking is yours??
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How do you know your thinking is yours? And is this question a good one? Is there authentic thinking. I am seriously trying to explore this and am not coming from a higher place than you who knows the answers though of course I have ideas.

Say that the way you think has been manipulated. HOW would you know it was, because the very way you think has been implanted into you by devious covert means. So how could you see this and then unravel the ways it's been done and see through it happening again, or now?

Take a look at this video and let me know what you T H I N K?

Edward Bernays 1: Torches of Freedom - Stuff They Don't Want You To Know


Edited by zzripz (02/06/13 06:47 AM)

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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I haven't watched the vid yet but I can tell you that if you have sufficient practice at watching what you recognize as your consistent thought, what you call I or me, then you can easily recognize what is implanted.  I have allot of experience with this.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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Having seen the vid I can't help but notice that everything that makes up a reality has this kind of angle.  I sort of went through this disillusionment break down period where everything got so overwhelming.  It seemed like I died and entered the CONSPIRACY.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz] * 2
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zzripz said:
How do you know your thinking is yours? And is this question a good one? Is there authentic thinking. I am seriously trying to explore this and am not coming from a higher place than you who knows the answers though of course I have ideas.

Say that the way you think has been manipulated. HOW would you know it was, because the very way you think has been implanted into you by devious covert means. So how could you see this and then unravel the ways it's been done and see through it happening again, or now?

Take a look at this video and let me know what you T H I N K?

Edward Bernays 1: Torches of Freedom - Stuff They Don't Want You To Know





I don't know it is mine. I don't know anything for certain. This body thinks. How that came about is up for debate but no conclusions. :shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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I didn't watch the video but i've brought this up a few times here, almost every thought you have you learned from somewhere else, or even if you have a new one spring up, unlearnt, its a common phenomena that someone else on the planet will have had the same thought. Like theres a few inventions that were discovered at different parts of the world around the same time. So there is no original thought.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
I didn't watch the video but i've brought this up a few times here, almost every thought you have you learned from somewhere else, or even if you have a new one spring up, unlearnt, its a common phenomena that someone else on the planet will have had the same thought. Like theres a few inventions that were discovered at different parts of the world around the same time. So there is no original thought.


I've had that thought before :lol:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
I didn't watch the video but i've brought this up a few times here, almost every thought you have you learned from somewhere else, or even if you have a new one spring up, unlearnt, its a common phenomena that someone else on the planet will have had the same thought. Like theres a few inventions that were discovered at different parts of the world around the same time. So there is no original thought.



Well then one must ask what about the very first humans who thought and then created the culture that programs the rest.  Were their thoughts original??


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Icelander]
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Well if you think about it, looking at the universe there's probably more than one planet with humans on it so even before 'the first humans who thought' on earth there probably would've been humans who thought the same things on another planet

I don't think only humans think either, i reckon animals think too

Its a bit like a computer program i feel, like we're programmed to evolve & start having certain thoughts that develop language etc... so it can appear original when the thoughts first arise, but it could just be built within the programming of evolution


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
I didn't watch the video but i've brought this up a few times here, almost every thought you have you learned from somewhere else, or even if you have a new one spring up, unlearnt, its a common phenomena that someone else on the planet will have had the same thought. Like theres a few inventions that were discovered at different parts of the world around the same time. So there is no original thought.


watch it its not long

Yes, so your saying that what we think cannot really BE original anyhow because we are interrelated in this human matrix where thinking doesn't really belong to anyONE individual really?

So how then can we not be manipulated then. This is why its important you watch the video or you wont get the context of the question.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Chronic7] * 3
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The Chronic said:
Well if you think about it, looking at the universe there's probably more than one planet with humans on it so even before 'the first humans who thought' on earth there probably would've been humans who thought the same things on another planet

I don't think only humans think either, i reckon animals think too

Its a bit like a computer program i feel, like we're programmed to evolve & start having certain thoughts that develop language etc... so it can appear original when the thoughts first arise, but it could just be built within the programming of evolution



What kind of answer is that? :lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz] * 1
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There's nothing devious or covert about indoctrination, it's a natural human process. We have evolved to adapt to our environments after being born and part of that is finding a niche in the social landscape.

It's a scary question, though. A while ago I realized that nearly all of what I say is "something I heard". Well, what should I be saying? Nothing? That's the nature of the beast. Man is a conservative animal.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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There's nothing devious or covert about indoctrination


have you seen the friggin vid. What are you going on about?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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I think this is why psychedelics are important, and ignoring the media is important.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
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There's nothing devious or covert about indoctrination


have you seen the friggin vid. What are you going on about?


I haven't watched the vid yet, I will tonight. That said, perhaps my intended meaning would be clearer if I had said "there's nothing inherently devious or covert about indoctrination".

Without indoctrination you have no education, no language, no culture. Without his ability to be indoctrinated, a man would be a clumsy deformed chimp.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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I don't think anyone has original thoughts, but certainly their own. We're constantly recombining information which no one really has credit to, musicians learn from their teachers and so forth - all the material being variations and adaptations of forms back to whenever. The touch of the artists hand though, their style and approach gives them a language of their own.

However you choose to word that, I think that we do often posses originality in our actions.

When it comes to innovations I look at it as an athletic endeavor, recombining information to a certain end.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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watch the movie metropia



it's really good. it's about corporations controlling people's minds with shampoo :yesnod:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
How do you know your thinking is yours? And is this question a good one?


i dont think the question is a good one. our language and thought is always inherited :shrug2:

something foucault said has been floating round my head lately so im gonna share it: a moral action only happens when one is in a state of freedom. which in other words means if you are given an order, unless you can fathom acting to the contrary you are not acting morally (regardless of what the action is)... or morality is only something that happens when you do not perceive yourself as OBLIGATED to it.

so a better question re brainwashing and stuff, might be what do you feel obligated to do in your life? because that might just be the unexamined stuff passed down from your parents that is limiting you in one way or another.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: quinn]
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I FEEL disgusted at that man in the video; at the same time I FEEL that I don't care. 

I THINK I don't know how much of that videos info is true.  I THINK one day people won't try so hard to manipulate each other for something like money. 

I FEEL you questions don't matter.  I THINK they are intriguing and are like brain candy.  My thoughts have been shaped by my parents, people in my lives, Terrance McKenna, David Wilcock, and others.  They are also shaped by my experiences with substances. 

Can someone have an original thought? I don't KNOW. I would wonder about Einstein.  He came up with the theories of relativity and gen relativity.  Where these actually original thoughts or just bio-computer computations that built upon each other?  They say Einstein was riding a bus and saw a worker on scaffolding or whatnot.  All these happenstances including his knowledge gave him the idea of his theories. So did he actually have an original thought or simply read the uninverse correctly like a hidden language that happened to unravel in front of him?  Same could be wondered about Newton and the others.

The idea of this tread goes deeper than what that video mentions.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Seekingtruth] * 2
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Back in the day I signed some contract with a shady lookin' fella in a dimly lit bar somewhere in the wrong end of the city.  I was really drunk at the time so I don't rightly recall what all I agreed to, but at any rate I got a couple ounces of dank bud, a mean blowjob from the fella's sister, and now the Reptilians do all my thinking for me.  Quite relieving, really--takes all the pressure and stress away compared to when I used to have to make decisions and worry about whether or not I'd done the right thing.  Now I can just relax, kick back and enjoy the ride.  :thumbup:

Free will is such an unnecessary burden, and just think what you can get for trading it in: a life free from dreaded responsibility, complete absolution from moral blame AND a helluva blowjob.  Now that's an offer you can't refuse.  :satansmoking:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Back in the day I signed some contract with a shady lookin' fella in a dimly lit bar somewhere in the wrong end of the city.  I was really drunk at the time so I don't rightly recall what all I agreed to, but at any rate I got a couple ounces of dank bud, a mean blowjob from the fella's sister, and now the Reptilians do all my thinking for me.  Quite relieving, really--takes all the pressure and stress away compared to when I used to have to make decisions and worry about whether or not I'd done the right thing.  Now I can just relax, kick back and enjoy the ride.  :thumbup:

Free will is such an unnecessary burden, and just think what you can get for trading it in: a life free from dreaded responsibility, complete absolution from moral blame AND a helluva blowjob.  Now that's an offer you can't refuse.  :satansmoking:


Very spiritual, and mystical as well. Bravo. :awesomenod:


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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you guys are gonna so regret it when the apocalypse comes :whistling:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: quinn]
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i also signed a contract btw and now i have to sit on a chair in a building and click on a screen in a timely and nonsuspicious way, and occasionally interact with people... but really im listing to richie hawtin and browsing shroomery graemlins so whos actually winning?


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: quinn]
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quinn said:
you guys are gonna so regret it when the apocalypse comes :whistling:


Not so! One night a couple years ago, sleep-deprived, malnourished, hung-over, tripping on acid, and bored enough to read the Bible, I accidentally let Jesus into my heart. :feelsweirdman:

Now I'm saved! I don't even have to go to church or talk or think about it. Or anything, for that matter. God bless Martin Luther for showing us the Way! :feelsgoodman:


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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did he give a decent blowjob?


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: quinn]
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I think that it's stupid to generalize our thoughts into either we think for ourselves or something thinks for us. I have moments where I am definitely not myself and I have moments where I feel it came from the heart and believe it was completely myself. In the end it's impossible to tell but I doubt the world would be so easy to decipher as black or white.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Mad Season]
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o this song totally belongs in this thread.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
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BlindSophist said:
zzripz said:
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There's nothing devious or covert about indoctrination


have you seen the friggin vid. What are you going on about?


I haven't watched the vid yet, I will tonight. That said, perhaps my intended meaning would be clearer if I had said "there's nothing inherently devious or covert about indoctrination".

Without indoctrination you have no education, no language, no culture. Without his ability to be indoctrinated, a man would be a clumsy deformed chimp.


That is a very typically elitist idea and thing to say, and also is an insult to chimpanzees!

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: quinn]
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amazing track!!

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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:yesnod:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
BlindSophist said:
zzripz said:
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There's nothing devious or covert about indoctrination


have you seen the friggin vid. What are you going on about?


I haven't watched the vid yet, I will tonight. That said, perhaps my intended meaning would be clearer if I had said "there's nothing inherently devious or covert about indoctrination".

Without indoctrination you have no education, no language, no culture. Without his ability to be indoctrinated, a man would be a clumsy deformed chimp.


That is a very typically elitist idea and thing to say, and also is an insult to chimpanzees!


Yeah, but what enabled you to communicate with me this way? Grunts and wars fought with fecal projectiles?


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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yeh better wars ftw!


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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first of all, have you now seen the video?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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quinn said:
yeh better wars ftw!


Come to think of it, I WOULD rather be hit by flying poop than conventional explosives. :strokebeard3:

zzripz said:
first of all, have you now seen the video?


My procrastination habit got the better of me. I'm currently taking a quick procrastination break on the studying I already procrastinated upon in the first place to quickly check-up on the Shroomery. Basically, I'm procrastinating on procrastination about procrastination. Procrastination multiplies itself exponentially, so I'm pretty much fucked. I'll watch the video tomorrow (today) after my quiz. :lol:

Can you give me a brief rundown on how it explains that indoctrination is inherently bad? I'm kinda committed to it (between bouts of procrastination), what with being a student. :omgz:


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You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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sure, watch this video

John Taylor Gatto in "IndoctriNation"


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz] * 1
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The video is only four mins long!!!!  This thread is quickly losing its potential lol


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Seekingtruth]
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most replies to threads at these forums are about 5 words. whaddya want from meee?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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When people think of thinking do you think of words spoken aloud in the mind, or do you include images flowing past as well?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
How do you know your thinking is yours? And is this question a good one? Is there authentic thinking. I am seriously trying to explore this and am not coming from a higher place than you who knows the answers though of course I have ideas.

Say that the way you think has been manipulated. HOW would you know it was, because the very way you think has been implanted into you by devious covert means. So how could you see this and then unravel the ways it's been done and see through it happening again, or now?

Take a look at this video and let me know what you T H I N K?

Edward Bernays 1: Torches of Freedom - Stuff They Don't Want You To Know




If it's not one thing influencing thinking it's another. That's how I see it anyways. The ping-pong of the mind. PING info bounces in PONG info bounces out. Not always so similar of course. Sometimes it's more of a PING-WRONG. What bounces in is checked against what we already know. How we come to know what we already know, well, trace your life backwards I guess :shrug:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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So all this copyright control-freakier y is shit isn't it?

If you saw the OP video you see that this character Edward Bernays utilizes techniques he learned from his uncle Sigmund Freud how to get women to smoke. By implanting ideas into their minds and creating self-images such as 'if you smoke it means you are a liberated woman'. But this is sick (and that aint good) because what is liberating being addicted to nicotine which can kill you?? So many womens thinking had been hijacked hadn't it?

Edited by zzripz (02/08/13 02:43 AM)

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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............so the main purpose of this inquiry is to wonder that IF our thinking has been/is being hijacked---which is very likely--- what are the ways and means we can see this happening and undermine it. One of the ways is studying that REAL history which includes devious shit Ed Bernays and his cronies dirty doings

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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is to wonder that IF our thinking has been/is being hijacked


On multiple levels, IME.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz] * 1
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I don't really consider thinking mine, I just consider it thinking.

Does it subjectively need an entity which to belong?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: teknix]
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OK, I think we have noticed that thinking is kind of shared by each other. When I was born, I learnt the lingo of my parents (maybe even when in the womb), and their influences which had influenced them influenced me, though I may later have rebelled against some of that because of being influenced by other thinking which was influenced by other thinking and so on. So it is utterly all interconnected. There is no such thing as a totally independent thinker. Do you agree?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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What about the likes of Einstein and Bohr?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: teknix]
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the thought becomes your own as soon as you are unable to retrace the origins of the thought.  This situation gives rise to original thoughts such as "where did I hear this from?" and the question becomes the original thought, not the answer, which you've heard before.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: l3estever]
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Then what is owning the thought really, what is the thing you're calling you??

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: teknix]
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teknix said:
Then what is owning the thought really, what is the thing you're calling you??


What I notice is that I am more the observer to thought that comes and goes from various intelligent entities.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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You're going to ruin the suprise t.t

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: teknix]
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teknix said:
Then what is owning the thought really, what is the thing you're calling you??


The thing that I am calling me is my body, literally all the adjoining cells with the same original DNA and all of the neural impulses and signals that go on within these cells. 


If you are able to say "I learnt this from _____"  that is an original thought.  Even saying "I thought about this today ________" is still an original thought because the word "I" is a reference point, making most thoughts original as most people are not using YOU as their reference point.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: l3estever]
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You are calling you, your body? Again what is the your?

You can't use "your" to define you.

Saying me is "my body" is still not defining what is owning the body, because me and my are synonymously pointing at the same undefined thing.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
So all this copyright control-freakier y is shit isn't it?

If you saw the OP video you see that this character Edward Bernays utilizes techniques he learned from his uncle Sigmund Freud how to get women to smoke. By implanting ideas into their minds and creating self-images such as 'if you smoke it means you are a liberated woman'. But this is sick (and that aint good) because what is liberating being addicted to nicotine which can kill you?? So many womens thinking had been hijacked hadn't it?


Bernays took advantage of what was already in place and has been for a long time. Humans want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. Whether it be the collective fashion of the day which catches you or the newest documentary, its all the same IMO. Bernays just used that natural tendency to make himself some money by paving a road to himself. He took what was already established and paired it with his own goods. In order to stay in that larger group, now one needs to buy his goods. He hardly invented this collective movement that humans have. If you ask me its survival related. We do better in numbers and benefit in many ways. Of course there is no perfect solution to survival and it has drawbacks like what we see with a wealthy in-goup like the US.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: teknix]
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teknix said:
You are calling you, your body? Again what is the your?

You can't use "your" to define you.

Saying me is "my body" is still not defining what is owning the body, because me and my are synonymously pointing at the same undefined thing.


My body is defined as all the cells that share an identical DNA to the original cell (when sperm met egg).  You say I am referencing something undefined but if we can write out our DNA sequence, it literally has a biological definition.  I am saying I am a system of adjoining cells with identical DNA and the thinking that I do can be simplified down to an on-off style of neural firing, but keeping in mind that some pathways won't work unless stimulated as a child.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: l3estever]
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What is the my in "my body" refering to? What is doing the owning separate from the body? You are implying there is something other than the body that is being you and owning the body.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
zzripz said:
So all this copyright control-freakier y is shit isn't it?

If you saw the OP video you see that this character Edward Bernays utilizes techniques he learned from his uncle Sigmund Freud how to get women to smoke. By implanting ideas into their minds and creating self-images such as 'if you smoke it means you are a liberated woman'. But this is sick (and that aint good) because what is liberating being addicted to nicotine which can kill you?? So many womens thinking had been hijacked hadn't it?


Bernays took advantage of what was already in place and has been for a long time. Humans want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. Whether it be the collective fashion of the day which catches you or the newest documentary, its all the same IMO. Bernays just used that natural tendency to make himself some money by paving a road to himself. He took what was already established and paired it with his own goods. In order to stay in that larger group, now one needs to buy his goods. He hardly invented this collective movement that humans have. If you ask me its survival related. We do better in numbers and benefit in many ways. Of course there is no perfect solution to survival and it has drawbacks like what we see with a wealthy in-goup like the US.


Yeah, this is kind of what I'm getting at as well. "Indoctrination" usually has negative connotations but I see it as being inherently a neutral word. Teaching a child how to read and write and count is a form of indoctrination. One of our defining characteristics as a species is our ability to indoctrinate and be indoctrinated, and this is as old as the hills if not older. "My own" thinking would be completely unrecognizable to me if I was completely unindoctrinated. I would be a confused animal. :shrug: What's important is for adults to be able to recognize indoctrinating techniques and to know which messages are good and which are virulent. Bernays' cigarette ads are a fine example of the latter, but values like compassion are also spread by indoctrination.

BTW I still haven't watched the video, but I've seen "Century of the Self" which outlines the psychology of public relations, from Bernays to Bush.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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there is a VAST difference between learning/teaching children and adults openly, and with respect, learning that is beneficial to them, the community, other species, and the natural world, and a group of elite men deciding in secret WE, 'the masses' are irrational and using psychological techniques that manipulate us in a harmful way, as did manipulating women to smoke, as it does getting little kids to eat foods that are saturated with sugar, fat, and salt, as it does getting young people to join up and go to war etc.
If you cannot tell the difference they have got your thinking to. This is what I am trying to expose, not only for myself but for others, because they depend on us not being aware, making us think that the thinking they internalize in us is really our thinking.

Edited by zzripz (02/08/13 05:38 PM)

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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Everyone thinks they know what's best. I think everyone including you and me are full of ourselves and have no idea what's going on in the end. But maybe I'm totally off base here. Maybe you've never had good intentions that didn't pan out as you had hoped. But I sure have :lol:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
there is a VAST difference between learning/teaching children and adults openly, and with respect, learning that is beneficial to them, the community, other species, and the natural world, and a group of elite men deciding in secret WE, 'the masses' are irrational and using psychological techniques that manipulate us in a harmful way, as did manipulating women to smoke, as it does getting little kids to eat foods that are saturated with sugar, fat, and salt, as it does getting young people to join up and go to war etc.


Why do you think corporate executives have the power to decide that you're irrational? :wtf: They're selling a product, they hire researchers to figure out how to sell it better. I agree that consumer culture is crass and dehumanizing, that's why I don't watch TV or listen to the radio or even really go to mainstream news sites anymore. You're preaching to the choir, brother.

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If you cannot tell the difference they have got your thinking to. This is what I am trying to expose, not only for myself but for others, because they depend on us not being aware, making us think that the thinking they internalize in us is really our thinking.


Your assumption that I'm on board with consumer culture because I recognize that teaching and learning are inherent to human nature is deeply insulting.

If you want to make a difference, get involved with community gardening or start a news blog covering local events. You sound like you're trying to overthrow the current system by inciting outrage, but the way to tackle this problem is from the grass roots up. Suffocate the overlords by ending subsidies to industrial farms and providing real food and real information (not populist propaganda) for your community (not delocalized group of people who are predisposed to agreeing with you, ie Shroomery).


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Change will happen on it's own and I can't tell that anyone has much say in the matter. When I look at history I see a lot of looping. My personal guess is that as soon as someone claims enough power to make an actual difference, someone finds a flaw in their plan and then needs to claim some of that power themselves to fix it. And the power struggle just gets born anew. Over and over and over and over and over again. There has been no point in history where everyone is content with what they've got :lol:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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A lot of what you think are "your" thoughts are actually memetic viruses. The good ones I wouldn't count as not-mine just because it's in my nature to BE goodness. The identity I am referring to here is the human survival self, not the eternal self. It can get infected with all sorts of negative memes and so on.

I noticed after a particular manic episode that I developed troubling intrusive thoughts. Nothing too horrible thankfully but it was like a snarky sarcastic asshole had set up shop in my mind.


People think that intrusive thoughts are 'normal' - they are and they aren't. They are normal in that everyone gets them. They are NOT normal in that they are not good to have. Just like everyone has some kind of trauma or vitamin deficiency or evil to them, that's normal, of the norm. It's certainly not normal as in an "everything is as it should be" way.


These intrusions MUST be eliminated or your mind is not a fortress. Every intrusive thought is a hole in the hull of your sacred ship.

I found that the only way to truly kill these things off is to practice Brahmacharya - total celibacy and semen retention with the direction of the creative energy upwards into the crown chakra. Then some sacred mantras whereby one seeks refuge/protection from the omnipotent Witness.

These two things develop a powerful force field around the body which renders it impregnable to the imputations of others; when I recite the mantra I can physically feel and see the shield activating; it works beautifully during the hypnagogic states when the boogeyman really likes to come out and play.



In the Islamic tradition, these intrusive thoughts arise from a force known as the 'whisperer who withdraws'; who behaves exactly as said on the tin - it whispers into your heart and it retreats until it feels ready to cause mischief. What people do not realise is that while we can see the forces that can input energy via our ears, we are not privy to the speakers of the mind at least not with the two eyes that take in 400-800nm light; you need the third eye open to see these critters.

As a consequence of this, we go through life guarding our ears from evil and our eyes but we forget the gateway to the inner sanctum itself. This allows these forces a wide open line of attack and they are successful in destroying many lives. If you go to a mental hospital you will see many whom they have whisked away and pounded fully into submission, they are lost and totally helpless.


It's very easy to confuse these voices as your own, they use your own neural circuitry to propagate in the same way a virus uses your cellular machinery to replicate itself. These voices arise for instance when you must choose an addictive choice vs a truly wholesome choice. You get people with alcohol, gambling, sex, OCD, anger, all sorts of addictions. All of these are mediated by the submission of one's sovereignty to these subtle whispers.

There is in fact a psychotherapeutic technique targeted directly at these intrusions: it is called Addictive Voice Recognition Therapy (AVRT). The addictive voice takes its seat in the primal hindbrain, it is of course loving of the base desires, abiding and revelling therein. I have found that it is crucial to abstain from swearing and anger in defeating this. Other things that must be incinerated are jealousy, envy, sloth, greed and lust, all of which are tools for intrusive thoughts to ferment by.

The actual whisper is so minor to be nothing more than a whisper. It is then your mind that turns this whisper into an explosion and at that point you have submitted to it. Anyone struggling with an addiction may understand this rather intimately. There is a several second delay between which the whisper is planted, and when it reaches the neocortex and becomes a voice of its own. By then, you have submitted to it.


One must destroy it at the gate, at the very point of whispering itself, using the brain's truly low-level "Assembler" type machine code itself. If you are trying to defeat these thoughts using English or your maiden tongue, forget about it. It has grown too large to even bother; by the time the auditory cortex synthesises it into a high level language it has permeated the entire nervous system like a wildfire. The origin of these thoughts is in the heart, where it travels upward through the brain stem into the amygdala, and downward penetrating the gut neurons and ultimately to the sexual energy centres and their associated neurons. Thus when defeating these conditionings, one must be fully aware of the breath as it circulates from the bottom of the feet to the crown.


To defeat these voices is to defeat craving and eradicate its arising, and cessation of these voices is an absolute necessity for anyone who is truly seeking to reach the deeper Samadhis. You will not be able to go beyond a certain level of concentration/meditation depth without destroying these things.
One technique is thus: when such a thought arises, you shall exhale all the air in your lungs. Then you shall contract the pelvic floor and lower abdominal muscles and draw the navel into the spine while channeling the energy upward into the crown with your mind - just use your intuition. It is crucial to have a straight back allowing for maximal lung capacity and a correct pelvic tilt when executing the technique. This will nip the overwhelming majority of these thoughts in the bud, the rest may be destroyed by intensive concentration meditation (Vipassana).



The atheistic medical tradition does not understand the gravity of the situation here unfortunately and it is ironic for these very same people have also fallen prey to the whisperers; it blinds them to the spirit world. Rest assured that the war happens on not merely the plane you see in waking life, but across every aspect of the mind.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: crkhd]
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Fucking very TRUE.

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My forcefield must be naturally bom diggity not to mention totally invisible to me.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Everyone thinks they know what's best. I think everyone including you and me are full of ourselves and have no idea what's going on in the end. But maybe I'm totally off base here. Maybe you've never had good intentions that didn't pan out as you had hoped. But I sure have :lol:


QFT


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Icelander]
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How do you know your thinking is yours??


Because it generally pisses people off. :smirk:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: The Phleg]
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:lol:


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pyrate999 said:
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How do you know your thinking is yours??


Because it generally pisses people off. :smirk:


:iseewhatyoudidthere:


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who says bom diggidy? :nonono:


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same guy who says darn tootin! :gay:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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:yeahthatsfunny:

dangnabbit! :oldman2:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: quinn]
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:lol:

i think the term you are looking for is 'fiddlesticks'


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Aw, shucks.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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i wish i had some real friends who spoke like this :bored:


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what am I some sort of fake friend? :mad:


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totally fake. :haha:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Icelander]
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:feelsbadman:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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You know I love you brother. :thumbup:  You're one of the sane ones. :whoa:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Icelander]
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ya I know :smile: :heart:

I just dunno if quinn knows
he's been crackin' me up lately :thumbup:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Quinn's one of the crazies. :nono:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Well let's see if he owns up to it :yesnod:


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Icelander said:
Quinn's one of the crazies. :nono:


Am I a crazy too? :ohboyohboyohboy:


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i'll admit Icelander knows, im about as crazy as they come :sadyes:

and no kickle you guys arent fake friends... just mostly imaginary ones :heart:

Edited by quinn (02/08/13 11:08 PM)

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that said only a real crazy like ice can have such a keen eye for em


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Everyone thinks they know what's best. I think everyone including you and me are full of ourselves and have no idea what's going on in the end. But maybe I'm totally off base here. Maybe you've never had good intentions that didn't pan out as you had hoped. But I sure have :lol:


I am not convinced that everyone thinks they know what's best. They knew of the possible dangers of being addicted to nicotine a long time before the big fuss about it now. They knew the danger of asbestos ages ago and yet still had people working with its fibres. They know the dangers of too much sugar, salt and fat yet see to it little kids buy their products, and their conventioneer 'blindness' to this is $£PROFIT$£.
Have I any idea of what's actually going on? lol you have reminded me of a thread I was thinking of starting asking 'do you know where you have come from before you were born' and just see what kinds of answers it'd get. I think it is very amusing that if we are honest we don't. We may make conjecturebut really we don't---though I am aware some people, including children claim to remember past lives.
But anyway, it's true, but this is why we are questioning---feeling out. And when we get it that manipulating people--which can also cause them dangers-- for money and power sucks we surely want to expose it and not do it ourselves, and find ways to see through such tactics and tell others about it, right?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: crkhd]
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looks like your trying to start a little religion yourself there. But I don't want to join. You become a closed-off fortress frightened of your very self. These 'whispers' or 'voices' aren't an other, they are you. Even when elite forces internalize thinking-patterns in you they are still you thinking them. Your explanation is far too complex, and wordy, and would scare the fuck outta me and give me a headache if I was looking for sustenance. i ALWAYS go for the simple---things are too complex enough.
This is why I love psychedelic insights. You can directly see through BS and be laughing your arse off at the same time. Love it

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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well, some thoughts arise from your brain, but what if you have lyrics in your head? clearly, those didn't arise from your own brain.  they originated in someone else's.  so yeah, your thoughts can be influenced by someone else to the point that you hear 'their voice' in your head, its perfectly natural, although usually not desirable if you want to maintain mental freedom.


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BlindSophist said:
Why do you think corporate executives have the power to decide that you're irrational? :wtf: They're selling a product, they hire researchers to figure out how to sell it better. I agree that consumer culture is crass and dehumanizing, that's why I don't watch TV or listen to the radio or even really go to mainstream news sites anymore. You're preaching to the choir, brother.


They dont HAVE the power to, they THINK they do. Who the fuck are they to claim me, 'the masses' are irrational with their irrational shit they do? Watching TV is not the problem, it's how you watch it. And when i lay down words here, I am not just thinking of 'the choir'. You got all kinds of people from all different perspectives who may be attracted to these subjects. And if your the 'choir' how comes tis you contradicting me all the time....? ey??

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Your assumption that I'm on board with consumer culture because I recognize that teaching and learning are inherent to human nature is deeply insulting.


Well it is you not being clear and not understanding. You seemed to suggest that what those fucks are doing--in the vid you wont watch--are doing some kind of great teaching service for the community!

If you want to make a difference, get involved with community gardening or start a news blog covering local events. You sound like you're trying to overthrow the current system by inciting outrage, but the way to tackle this problem is from the grass roots up. Suffocate the overlords by ending subsidies to industrial farms and providing real food and real information (not populist propaganda) for your community (not delocalized group of people who are predisposed to agreeing with you, ie Shroomery).


Don't patronize.
I am not trying to incite outrage, but have no problem feeling it or others feeling it. I think outrage is a good healthy emotional reaction to the evil shit we have been up against since way back when from unspeakable peoples. And like I said it is not ONLY those who may agree with me that read these threads. Errrrm how long your been here lol

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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It's the Shroomery. We all like mushrooms deemed "illegal" by a fascist police state. :sadyes:

I'm just saying, there's a difference between fighting the evil and being jealous of it. You seem really upset about the fact that a bunch of moneygrubbers consider you inferior. Are you gonna get a complex about it or are you gonna shut them out of your life?


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I am trying to expose their doings, chicanery. And you do this by questioning what they do. Propagandists depend on us not being aware of the tricks they pull so it goes unconscious. IF you make it conscious you undermine it.
You cant shut them out of your life cause a lot of the times they are in your face. But this way you are deconstructing how they build and maintain their matrix. Yes they have a matrix outside--the cops, penal system, CCTV surveillance, and more and more laws and all that is dangerous, but the one they make you put in you is just so if not more so.

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BlindSophist said:
Icelander said:
Quinn's one of the crazies. :nono:


Am I a crazy too? :ohboyohboyohboy:



I can't remember. :confused:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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zzripz said:
Kickle said:
Everyone thinks they know what's best. I think everyone including you and me are full of ourselves and have no idea what's going on in the end. But maybe I'm totally off base here. Maybe you've never had good intentions that didn't pan out as you had hoped. But I sure have :lol:


I am not convinced that everyone thinks they know what's best. They knew of the possible dangers of being addicted to nicotine a long time before the big fuss about it now. They knew the danger of asbestos ages ago and yet still had people working with its fibres. They know the dangers of too much sugar, salt and fat yet see to it little kids buy their products, and their conventioneer 'blindness' to this is $£PROFIT$£.
Have I any idea of what's actually going on? lol you have reminded me of a thread I was thinking of starting asking 'do you know where you have come from before you were born' and just see what kinds of answers it'd get. I think it is very amusing that if we are honest we don't. We may make conjecturebut really we don't---though I am aware some people, including children claim to remember past lives.
But anyway, it's true, but this is why we are questioning---feeling out. And when we get it that manipulating people--which can also cause them dangers-- for money and power sucks we surely want to expose it and not do it ourselves, and find ways to see through such tactics and tell others about it, right?


There are plenty who don't want what is best for others and only for themselves. Bernays is hardly alone there. While I think my life is better when others are benefiting too, not everyone looks at it that way. And maybe those who can step on others for personal gain have it right. After all it's what lead to the United States ever being formed in the first place and subsequently all this free time I have to think about this crap.

When I think about it this is what I see: Bernays started a chain reaction that is still going. You're looking at his actions and doing things with that examination. Did he intend that? Very very very unlikely. But did it happen? Yep. Along with who knows what else. What he did might have been the best thing for this planet because of what it lead(s) to. Seriously, we simply don't know. And it's only our personal hubris that makes us think that it was some evil act when we have a very tiny sliver of information about all that has happened as a result of any given act. And I think it says more about our personal views than anything. I think we want to find fault :shrug:


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OHHH MYYYY GODDDDDD I am glad your thinking aint my thinking

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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Sounds like the benefit of the doubt...

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zzripz said:
OHHH MYYYY GODDDDDD I am glad your thinking aint my thinking


Me too. That would be awkward :lol:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Dont justify evil. dont justify ignorance. dont make apologies for it. challenge it. question it.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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do what works for you and I'll do what works for me. I'm not contributing to what you see as evil but i'm also not contributing to the view of it as evil. Far as I can tell it's just the natural unfolding of events and I see no evidence to the contrary. I do see evidence of self-righteousness causing a lot of cyclical violence tho :shrug:

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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you can call it evil, or immoral, etc, it doesn't matter. IF you have a child taken in by propaganda and s/he goes and falls for their shit, joins their war,  and ends up having limbs blown off, and is psychologically fucked-up, or killed and comes back in a coffin, how do you feel about that?

Do you say, 'oh they--the ones who do the mind-control techniques-- were just trying to do what is best'? OR do you expose their tricks they pull to suck people into their snares? Doing so may help someone else's kid not falling for it.

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Well I wouldn't bring a kid into the world knowing what it's like. So I wouldn't feel anything about that very unlikely hypothetical. If it for some reason happened and I wasn't able through living my life as I do to convince them of a superior method of living than going to war, then they go to war. Nothing I could say would change that if my actions weren't enough.


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zzripz said:
I am trying to expose their doings, chicanery. And you do this by questioning what they do. Propagandists depend on us not being aware of the tricks they pull so it goes unconscious. IF you make it conscious you undermine it.
You cant shut them out of your life cause a lot of the times they are in your face. But this way you are deconstructing how they build and maintain their matrix. Yes they have a matrix outside--the cops, penal system, CCTV surveillance, and more and more laws and all that is dangerous, but the one they make you put in you is just so if not more so.


IMO it's really condescending when you do that, most people who already know what you're talking about will feel insulted if you feel the need to spell it out to them. We're all just trying to get by under these fucks. They have a monopoly on violence, do you understand what that means?


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Kickle said:
Well I wouldn't bring a kid into the world knowing what it's like. So I wouldn't feel anything about that very unlikely hypothetical. If it for some reason happened and I wasn't able through living my life as I do to convince them of a superior method of living than going to war, then they go to war. Nothing I could say would change that if my actions weren't enough.


So your saying you won't have kids in this world?
it is not an unlikely hypothetical...? it is common.
You only can't convince them when you are ignoreant about it.
Why do you think a lot of kids are racist and homophobic etc etc? because they get all those views from their family. Children can be like sponges, and even will pick up vibes. So if there is an air of shame about sex, either they go the opposite to that or take that shame vibe on themselves.

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BlindSophist said:
zzripz said:
I am trying to expose their doings, chicanery. And you do this by questioning what they do. Propagandists depend on us not being aware of the tricks they pull so it goes unconscious. IF you make it conscious you undermine it.
You cant shut them out of your life cause a lot of the times they are in your face. But this way you are deconstructing how they build and maintain their matrix. Yes they have a matrix outside--the cops, penal system, CCTV surveillance, and more and more laws and all that is dangerous, but the one they make you put in you is just so if not more so.


IMO it's really condescending when you do that, most people who already know what you're talking about will feel insulted if you feel the need to spell it out to them. We're all just trying to get by under these fucks. They have a monopoly on violence, do you understand what that means?



Oh I have already explained this. When I communicate here, I am not just talking to those 'who know'. many people will look at these threads, some who are not members etc etc. It is worse to assume everyone knows what you mean. Of course I know what it means. That is what I am on about.


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