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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: quinn] * 1
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that said only a real crazy like ice can have such a keen eye for em


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Everyone thinks they know what's best. I think everyone including you and me are full of ourselves and have no idea what's going on in the end. But maybe I'm totally off base here. Maybe you've never had good intentions that didn't pan out as you had hoped. But I sure have :lol:


I am not convinced that everyone thinks they know what's best. They knew of the possible dangers of being addicted to nicotine a long time before the big fuss about it now. They knew the danger of asbestos ages ago and yet still had people working with its fibres. They know the dangers of too much sugar, salt and fat yet see to it little kids buy their products, and their conventioneer 'blindness' to this is $£PROFIT$£.
Have I any idea of what's actually going on? lol you have reminded me of a thread I was thinking of starting asking 'do you know where you have come from before you were born' and just see what kinds of answers it'd get. I think it is very amusing that if we are honest we don't. We may make conjecturebut really we don't---though I am aware some people, including children claim to remember past lives.
But anyway, it's true, but this is why we are questioning---feeling out. And when we get it that manipulating people--which can also cause them dangers-- for money and power sucks we surely want to expose it and not do it ourselves, and find ways to see through such tactics and tell others about it, right?

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: crkhd]
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looks like your trying to start a little religion yourself there. But I don't want to join. You become a closed-off fortress frightened of your very self. These 'whispers' or 'voices' aren't an other, they are you. Even when elite forces internalize thinking-patterns in you they are still you thinking them. Your explanation is far too complex, and wordy, and would scare the fuck outta me and give me a headache if I was looking for sustenance. i ALWAYS go for the simple---things are too complex enough.
This is why I love psychedelic insights. You can directly see through BS and be laughing your arse off at the same time. Love it

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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well, some thoughts arise from your brain, but what if you have lyrics in your head? clearly, those didn't arise from your own brain.  they originated in someone else's.  so yeah, your thoughts can be influenced by someone else to the point that you hear 'their voice' in your head, its perfectly natural, although usually not desirable if you want to maintain mental freedom.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Why do you think corporate executives have the power to decide that you're irrational? :wtf: They're selling a product, they hire researchers to figure out how to sell it better. I agree that consumer culture is crass and dehumanizing, that's why I don't watch TV or listen to the radio or even really go to mainstream news sites anymore. You're preaching to the choir, brother.


They dont HAVE the power to, they THINK they do. Who the fuck are they to claim me, 'the masses' are irrational with their irrational shit they do? Watching TV is not the problem, it's how you watch it. And when i lay down words here, I am not just thinking of 'the choir'. You got all kinds of people from all different perspectives who may be attracted to these subjects. And if your the 'choir' how comes tis you contradicting me all the time....? ey??

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Your assumption that I'm on board with consumer culture because I recognize that teaching and learning are inherent to human nature is deeply insulting.


Well it is you not being clear and not understanding. You seemed to suggest that what those fucks are doing--in the vid you wont watch--are doing some kind of great teaching service for the community!

If you want to make a difference, get involved with community gardening or start a news blog covering local events. You sound like you're trying to overthrow the current system by inciting outrage, but the way to tackle this problem is from the grass roots up. Suffocate the overlords by ending subsidies to industrial farms and providing real food and real information (not populist propaganda) for your community (not delocalized group of people who are predisposed to agreeing with you, ie Shroomery).


Don't patronize.
I am not trying to incite outrage, but have no problem feeling it or others feeling it. I think outrage is a good healthy emotional reaction to the evil shit we have been up against since way back when from unspeakable peoples. And like I said it is not ONLY those who may agree with me that read these threads. Errrrm how long your been here lol

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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It's the Shroomery. We all like mushrooms deemed "illegal" by a fascist police state. :sadyes:

I'm just saying, there's a difference between fighting the evil and being jealous of it. You seem really upset about the fact that a bunch of moneygrubbers consider you inferior. Are you gonna get a complex about it or are you gonna shut them out of your life?


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I am trying to expose their doings, chicanery. And you do this by questioning what they do. Propagandists depend on us not being aware of the tricks they pull so it goes unconscious. IF you make it conscious you undermine it.
You cant shut them out of your life cause a lot of the times they are in your face. But this way you are deconstructing how they build and maintain their matrix. Yes they have a matrix outside--the cops, penal system, CCTV surveillance, and more and more laws and all that is dangerous, but the one they make you put in you is just so if not more so.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
Icelander said:
Quinn's one of the crazies. :nono:


Am I a crazy too? :ohboyohboyohboy:



I can't remember. :confused:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
Kickle said:
Everyone thinks they know what's best. I think everyone including you and me are full of ourselves and have no idea what's going on in the end. But maybe I'm totally off base here. Maybe you've never had good intentions that didn't pan out as you had hoped. But I sure have :lol:


I am not convinced that everyone thinks they know what's best. They knew of the possible dangers of being addicted to nicotine a long time before the big fuss about it now. They knew the danger of asbestos ages ago and yet still had people working with its fibres. They know the dangers of too much sugar, salt and fat yet see to it little kids buy their products, and their conventioneer 'blindness' to this is $£PROFIT$£.
Have I any idea of what's actually going on? lol you have reminded me of a thread I was thinking of starting asking 'do you know where you have come from before you were born' and just see what kinds of answers it'd get. I think it is very amusing that if we are honest we don't. We may make conjecturebut really we don't---though I am aware some people, including children claim to remember past lives.
But anyway, it's true, but this is why we are questioning---feeling out. And when we get it that manipulating people--which can also cause them dangers-- for money and power sucks we surely want to expose it and not do it ourselves, and find ways to see through such tactics and tell others about it, right?


There are plenty who don't want what is best for others and only for themselves. Bernays is hardly alone there. While I think my life is better when others are benefiting too, not everyone looks at it that way. And maybe those who can step on others for personal gain have it right. After all it's what lead to the United States ever being formed in the first place and subsequently all this free time I have to think about this crap.

When I think about it this is what I see: Bernays started a chain reaction that is still going. You're looking at his actions and doing things with that examination. Did he intend that? Very very very unlikely. But did it happen? Yep. Along with who knows what else. What he did might have been the best thing for this planet because of what it lead(s) to. Seriously, we simply don't know. And it's only our personal hubris that makes us think that it was some evil act when we have a very tiny sliver of information about all that has happened as a result of any given act. And I think it says more about our personal views than anything. I think we want to find fault :shrug:


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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OHHH MYYYY GODDDDDD I am glad your thinking aint my thinking

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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Sounds like the benefit of the doubt...

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
OHHH MYYYY GODDDDDD I am glad your thinking aint my thinking


Me too. That would be awkward :lol:


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Dont justify evil. dont justify ignorance. dont make apologies for it. challenge it. question it.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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do what works for you and I'll do what works for me. I'm not contributing to what you see as evil but i'm also not contributing to the view of it as evil. Far as I can tell it's just the natural unfolding of events and I see no evidence to the contrary. I do see evidence of self-righteousness causing a lot of cyclical violence tho :shrug:

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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you can call it evil, or immoral, etc, it doesn't matter. IF you have a child taken in by propaganda and s/he goes and falls for their shit, joins their war,  and ends up having limbs blown off, and is psychologically fucked-up, or killed and comes back in a coffin, how do you feel about that?

Do you say, 'oh they--the ones who do the mind-control techniques-- were just trying to do what is best'? OR do you expose their tricks they pull to suck people into their snares? Doing so may help someone else's kid not falling for it.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz] * 1
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Well I wouldn't bring a kid into the world knowing what it's like. So I wouldn't feel anything about that very unlikely hypothetical. If it for some reason happened and I wasn't able through living my life as I do to convince them of a superior method of living than going to war, then they go to war. Nothing I could say would change that if my actions weren't enough.


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said:
I am trying to expose their doings, chicanery. And you do this by questioning what they do. Propagandists depend on us not being aware of the tricks they pull so it goes unconscious. IF you make it conscious you undermine it.
You cant shut them out of your life cause a lot of the times they are in your face. But this way you are deconstructing how they build and maintain their matrix. Yes they have a matrix outside--the cops, penal system, CCTV surveillance, and more and more laws and all that is dangerous, but the one they make you put in you is just so if not more so.


IMO it's really condescending when you do that, most people who already know what you're talking about will feel insulted if you feel the need to spell it out to them. We're all just trying to get by under these fucks. They have a monopoly on violence, do you understand what that means?


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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Well I wouldn't bring a kid into the world knowing what it's like. So I wouldn't feel anything about that very unlikely hypothetical. If it for some reason happened and I wasn't able through living my life as I do to convince them of a superior method of living than going to war, then they go to war. Nothing I could say would change that if my actions weren't enough.


So your saying you won't have kids in this world?
it is not an unlikely hypothetical...? it is common.
You only can't convince them when you are ignoreant about it.
Why do you think a lot of kids are racist and homophobic etc etc? because they get all those views from their family. Children can be like sponges, and even will pick up vibes. So if there is an air of shame about sex, either they go the opposite to that or take that shame vibe on themselves.

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Re: How do you know your thinking is yours?? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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BlindSophist said:
zzripz said:
I am trying to expose their doings, chicanery. And you do this by questioning what they do. Propagandists depend on us not being aware of the tricks they pull so it goes unconscious. IF you make it conscious you undermine it.
You cant shut them out of your life cause a lot of the times they are in your face. But this way you are deconstructing how they build and maintain their matrix. Yes they have a matrix outside--the cops, penal system, CCTV surveillance, and more and more laws and all that is dangerous, but the one they make you put in you is just so if not more so.


IMO it's really condescending when you do that, most people who already know what you're talking about will feel insulted if you feel the need to spell it out to them. We're all just trying to get by under these fucks. They have a monopoly on violence, do you understand what that means?



Oh I have already explained this. When I communicate here, I am not just talking to those 'who know'. many people will look at these threads, some who are not members etc etc. It is worse to assume everyone knows what you mean. Of course I know what it means. That is what I am on about.


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