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Offlinelysergic
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No pins?
    #1752097 - 07/27/03 02:04 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

This is all hypothetical and theory, none of it is real.

Lets say that PF style cakes inoculated and fully colonized with B+ Strain from Ryche. These cakes are dunked in water in the refrigerator overnight, then birthed into a rubbermaid container that has a layer of perlite 5" deep, a piece of 8mil plastic sheeting as a cover. The would-be container is opened three times a day and misted (very gently) and fanned for air exchange. Light is from 2 15 watt Actinic Blue bulbs approx 15-18" from the surface of the cakes (the top surface).

This "birth" occured, hypothetically, seven days ago. The cakes have fluffly cluster of mycelia off of them with what appeared at first to be hyphal knots, but they have not developed more in 5 days since their apearance. The tops of the cakes are having a somewhat yellowish-hue to them, but it's not spreading per se and it doesn't look like contam.

Questions :
1) where are the pins?!

2) Are teh conditions most likely favorable for pins to occur? Meaning patience is all that is required?

3) Is the yellowish hue a precursor to pinning? WOuld it be cause for concern?

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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1752180 - 07/27/03 02:57 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

Should have mentioned this, temp in the rubbermaid = 71.6 degrees


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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1752396 - 07/27/03 05:49 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

The yellowish hue is most likely waste that the mycelium excreted{also known as mycelium piss). I wouldnt worry to much about it. As for pins, well you got to have patience. My cakes have fluffy mycelium patches on them that have not became pins in a month. I doubt they are hyphal knots, I have never seen one of these so called hyphal knots, when pins popup they do it very quickly , they will appear out of nowhere, and it doesnt seem that where the pins are now there was ever a knot. I hope I helped.

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Re: No pins? [Re: DatDaNK420]
    #1752612 - 07/27/03 10:33 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

how many hours of light are the cakes receiving? what is the humidity in the chamber?


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Re: No pins? [Re: GestaltAssault]
    #1752647 - 07/27/03 11:15 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

The humidity is, from my observations, over 95%. Water is dripping off of the top plastic layer and the sides. The cakes have been getting near 24 hours of light, but that has been bumped down to 12 hours on 12 hours off now.

Dat - Do you mean it's taken a MONTH to have pins occur?


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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1752689 - 07/27/03 11:38 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

yeah...DaTDaNK's project took 21 days to pin...i think the 24 hours of light is your problem...a friend's mycologist colleague noticed that mushroom growth speeds up during the dark cycle...she had a 12hour light/dark cycle and pins had shown in 6 days...mushrooms don't need light to grow...light just triggers a response in the mycelium to start fruiting...a 12hour cycle is good cuz it replicates the natural conditions of night and day...also rolling the cakes in verm after birth helps create more points for pinning...


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Re: No pins? [Re: GestaltAssault]
    #1753848 - 07/27/03 08:59 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Ok, now down to 12 hour light cycles. Should they be rolled in wet or dry verm?

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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1755946 - 07/28/03 01:29 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

A *bump* :smile:


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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1756086 - 07/28/03 02:14 PM (14 years, 23 hours ago)

if you cake has seemed to stall with its growth, that is normal. Give it another week, you will start to see shit happen. trust me.

cubes like 75F.

just what i hear.


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Re: No pins? [Re: redfoot]
    #1756150 - 07/28/03 02:36 PM (14 years, 22 hours ago)

lol didn't I already tell you about the light cycle in advanced lysergic?(your post below)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1727880&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

I told you 24 hours each day every day is very bad see that mushrooms and mycelium do most of the growing in the dark.

now that you tried it I hope you believe me now



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A few hours of light per day is all that is needed, 10 hours is probably a overkill. ( the book Mushroom Cultivator states that 12-16 hours of light is recommended, but the experience shows that much less is sufficient).



http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23251




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As long as there is a window in the room, there will be sufficient light for your mushrooms to grow. In fact all your mushrooms really need is a few minutes of light a day to grow. All they need the light for is to know which way is up so they know which way to grow, but the amount of light given will not affect wether you get mushrooms or not.

The heigth of your mushrooms will also not be determined by the amount of light provided. Sometimes mushrooms will grow longer if they have less light.




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Re: No pins? [Re: Psilocybin_monkey]
    #1756311 - 07/28/03 03:31 PM (14 years, 21 hours ago)

Yes, but other people told me that 24 hour light cycles worked great, in that same post. My conclusions as to that were that so many variables were in place in each posters specific conditions, that it was impossible to narrow down that it was the light causing the differences.


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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1756401 - 07/28/03 03:56 PM (14 years, 21 hours ago)

So what do you think about 24 hours of light now that you tried it?


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Re: No pins? [Re: Psilocybin_monkey]
    #1761215 - 07/29/03 11:40 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well, with no control group, I can't say. I can say that in the past, as I mentioned in the post you alluded to, I've had shrooms grow with 24 hours of light. I think that it's too early to ascribe a cause as to the lack of pins.


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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1761618 - 07/30/03 02:38 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

anybody can post a pic of mushrooms and say they were given 24 hours of light.I don't believe them like I said in that post and were they given 24 hours of light and then 24 hours of dark they didn't seem to know anything about there so called 24 hours light tek.


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Re: No pins? [Re: Psilocybin_monkey]
    #1761707 - 07/30/03 03:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Casings will readily pin and fruit with 24/7 fluorescent light. Don't know about cakes.


Edited by MrMaddHatter (07/30/03 03:19 AM)


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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1761875 - 07/30/03 04:51 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

i dont remember if i once read that putting cakes directly to perlite is a bad idea but thats whatmy dog does and he doesnt even have to dunk his cakes anymore. he simply berths the cake on its side right onto the extra moist perlite.. i think his record pin time is 4 days, but he likes to season his jars right before invitro takes place. i think his malabar brf cake is on an amazing 7th flush a couragous lone 5 incher mushroom

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Re: No pins? [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
    #1764571 - 07/31/03 01:25 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I know for a fact that casings can throw off flushes in 24 hour total floro light.  Dunked cakes over perlite do wonderfully :smile:  *edit* these cakes are placed on the lid ofthe jar, or alum foil


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Re: No pins? [Re: lysergic]
    #1764725 - 07/31/03 02:27 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

well I never tried to give 24hours light with casing but with cakes the less light the more and better they grew!

mushrooms doing most of the growing in the dark why the hell would somebody want to give them 24hours of light a day is beyond me????

It's like colonizing jars in the fridge it may work but take hell of alot longer(why bother)


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Re: No pins? [Re: Psilocybin_monkey]
    #1764918 - 07/31/03 03:57 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I would like to know where you get this information. I have grown mushrooms with continuous light, and I have grown them with no light at all (not even to set pins).

I cannot say that mushrooms grow the most in the dark; it seems to me (IME) that they grow equally as fast. The mushrooms that I have grown in complete darkness grew just as fast as ones that received light. I would figure this would be part of the cultivation technique if they grew faster during the dark periods. Simply apply light until pin set, then remove the light source for faster growing shrooms. Unfortunately, I have never read anything of the sort in cultivation books, in fact quite the opposite.

Light is key for proper mushroom formation in many species.


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Re: No pins? [Re: ATWAR]
    #1764949 - 07/31/03 04:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

don't take my word for it atwar take P.Stamets but I guess you know more then a pro mycologist


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A few hours of light per day is all that is needed, 10 hours is probably a overkill. ( the book Mushroom Cultivator states that 12-16 hours of light is recommended, but the experience shows that much less is sufficient).



http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23251(click link)




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As long as there is a window in the room, there will be sufficient light for your mushrooms to grow. In fact all your mushrooms really need is a few minutes of light a day to grow. All they need the light for is to know which way is up so they know which way to grow, but the amount of light given will not affect wether you get mushrooms or not.

The heigth of your mushrooms will also not be determined by the amount of light provided. Sometimes mushrooms will grow longer if they have less light.




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Mushrooms are not plants, so they do not require the type and amount of light to grow like plants do.


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