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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
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Yeah, terrorists are 'evil', and 'evil' is a subjective term. They are 'heroes' of alah to some. My point is that this war can go on indefinately because there will always be 'evil' terrorists out there regardless of reality or intention. This war is great because its an enemy with no name....no face....they can target pretty much anybody.
You remember teh 'axis of evil' don't you?


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Re: this picture... [Re: Azmodeus]
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You can defeat them as an organization and render them far less harmless.

We still have nazis, and it is impossible to eradicate ideology through force of arms. We did, however, render them infinitely less harmfull than when they had their own state.

Al Queda had their own state, now they don't. Their backers are either quitting them or falling. Since their infrastructure in Afghanistan was smashed, they haven't been able to project power outside their own backyard. They've tried, but have failed, in every attack on European soil, and haven't worked up to trying the US again.

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Re: this picture... [Re: Azmodeus]
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Yes I do remember the axis of evil, and it isn't an axis anymore. I don't think that helps your argument to much. :wink:

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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
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But canada has decriminalised pot!....pot aka drugs support terrorism, so if it were in americas best interests we could be evil too. I see where both you and wingtux are coming from, and it may be best that saddam is gone, but assume america comes to rule the world....would it really change at all? Mabye your leaders are the biggest threat of all...what if they are the ones who end up pushing the button? I just can't believe a country can truly believe they are more moral than another and knows whats "best".(mabye for themselves)


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Re: this picture... [Re: Azmodeus]
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Well when we decide to actually take over a country and make it New America I will get back to you, until then I think it is safe to say that we are better than Saddam or the Taliban. We don't murder thousands of our own people on a regular basis. If you are trying to argue that Saddam was a good guy as far as the Iraqis and their morals were concerned you are not going to win that argument.

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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
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shakta said:
Well when we decide to actually take over a country and make it New America I will get back to you, until then I think it is safe to say that we are better than Saddam or the Taliban.


Well we can both agree america appears better than saddam and the taliban. :wink:

shakta said:
We don't murder thousands of our own people on a regular basis. If you are trying to argue that Saddam was a good guy as far as the Iraqis and their morals were concerned you are not going to win that argument. 


Ha!...im smarter than to argue that...
But really, it probably was better for the iraqis best interests, at least on a material level.  We'll see how westernisation effects them, but invasihon or not westernisation is happening all over the globe.

Morality really has nothing to do with it, as it doesn't matter in the end, still we have yet to see how computers, and other new technologies will effect us in our daily lives, and this technology is still growing at a rate that can't continue for long.


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Re: this picture... [Re: Azmodeus]
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One thing I forgot to add about your pot example. I think it is safe to say that Canadiens grow the pot that you are consuming. Unless the Canadien government starts buying truckloads of pot from Osama you don't have anything to worry about. The only way buying drugs supports terror is if the source of the drug is a terrorist organization, like the heroine produced in Afghanistan was for example.

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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
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I know that, i had in mind that commercial which implies drugs and terrorism are the same stuff. :tongue:
Just because its not true doesn't mean it won't be passed off as truth.


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Re: this picture... [Re: Azmodeus]
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I don't think you have to worry about Bush attacking Canada anytime soon. The decriminalization will probably affect how easy it is to cross the border though. This is unfortunate, but our government is still fighting the WOD as you know. This is not a partisan issue either. Almost all of our politicians believe in it.

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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
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I believe canda would have decriminalised it and made a fortune, had not the americans made sure we would loose alot more through business dealings.

Anyway i wasn't worried about america invading canada, more of trying to show how we could be tied to terrorism, and thus targeted in the future....like just about any other country in existance.


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Re: this picture... [Re: Azmodeus]
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you have to admit that's a hell of a stretch.

And yes, the whole pot-promotes-terrorism thing is dumb. Any blackmarket funds illicit enterprises, from pot to untaxed honey. It's a ploy by WOD proponents, nothing more.

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Re: this picture... [Re: Azmodeus]
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Two things.

1. How would Canada make anything off decriminalization? It is still illegal. Unless the government is growing and distributing it or taxing it you are not making money off of it. You would probably save money on incarceration costs and things like that though.

2. My point is we are not going to attack a country unless they are seen as a legitamite threat. Iraq was seen as a threat by most of the world. We and the rest of the coalition were the only ones willing to take out the threat. It isn't like we were alone in this either. That is besides the point though. The point is, you came up with a ludicrous scenario, and said we would attack your country for it. We have not attackes a country that has not been a supporter of terrorists to date. I did not say Al Qeada either, I said terrorists.

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Re: this picture... [Re: wingnutx]
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And even if weed did fund terrorism,why would I be responsible for that? I don't control what others do with the money I purchase goods with. It's kind of like saying if I purchased a car from you,and you took that money and bought a knife and murdered someone,I'm partly responsible for murder.

Anybody who supports the WOD is a fucking moron or it serves their own self interests.


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Re: this picture... [Re: monoamine]
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Does your feelings on that hold true for any legally made and sold product?


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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
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shakta said:
Two things.

1. How would Canada make anything off decriminalization? It is still illegal. Unless the government is growing and distributing it or taxing it you are not making money off of it. You would probably save money on incarceration costs and things like that though.


They won't thats why it was a stupid decision made by intimidated politians. They SHOULD have legalised it, then we could make hemp paper, clothes, have an great tourism industry, americans would visit. We never legalised because of america, but im more pissed at our polititians, because they're the ones who tucked thier tails instead of serving our countries best interests.

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shakta said:2. My point is we are not going to attack a country unless they are seen as a legitamite threat.


Then america needs glasses, because the reality was iraq was no threat.


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shakta said:The point is, you came up with a ludicrous scenario, and said we would attack your country for it. We have not attackes a country that has not been a supporter of terrorists to date. I did not say Al Qeada either, I said terrorists.


Your government said drugs support terrorism. Canada has decriminalised a said drug, so america could tie them to terrorist activity. You miss my points completely...
Im not arguing for anything other than the untrustworthyness of people in power, and thier inevitability to lie and abuse thier positions...


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Re: this picture... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Could you rephrase that Luv?I'm not sure what you're getting at.


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Re: this picture... [Re: monoamine]
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OK. I'm asking this.... if someone sells a legally made and sold product to another, and the buyer uses that product to commit a crime, is the seller in any way responsible for the act of the buyer?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: this picture... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Off the top of my head,in most cases,no.



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Re: this picture... [Re: monoamine]
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In what case would you hold a seller of a legally made and sold product to be responsible for the actions of the buyer?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: this picture... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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That's why I said "off the top of my head",because their might be some exceptions I just can't think of right now.

OK, a scenario.A gun dealer sells a gun to someone that has the clear intent of using that gun to illegally harm someone. Would that be legal? I have a fairly poor understanding of gun laws.Anyway, I think the dealer should be held partly responsible.


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