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    #1751253 - 07/26/03 05:53 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)



just what does he think he's doing?

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    #1751255 - 07/26/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

If that is indeed a real picture, then that's pretty damn sad.


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    #1751258 - 07/26/03 05:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)



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    #1751262 - 07/26/03 06:01 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Somebody probably just handed the flag to him and asked him to autograph it...

It's still shocking though. So much could be said on such a picture... "America... my precioussss!"


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    #1751270 - 07/26/03 06:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

not only is he defacing the flag, but he's gotta be a real pretentious asshole to put HIS NAME on the American flag! who the fuck does he think he is? no respect.
I betcha he doesn't even know that what he did was completely inappropriate. he really doesn't have a clue.

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Re: this picture... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1751297 - 07/26/03 06:16 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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infidelGOD said:
not only is he defacing the flag, but he's gotta be a real pretentious asshole to put HIS NAME on the American flag! who the fuck does he think he is? no respect.
I betcha he doesn't even know that what he did was completely inappropriate. he really doesn't have a clue.





Imagine! He doesn't have a clue about something so simple, yet he's the man controlling the most powerful country on Earth...


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Re: this picture... [Re: Meph]
    #1751392 - 07/26/03 07:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

the flag upside down is either a sign of distress at sea OR Disrespect

and I would like to fly it , maybe on a shirt(little american flag patch) upside down!


for 2 reasons I am showing the "distress" of americans fucked over by their own government (drug war) and disrespect for their actions around the world,


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Re: this picture... [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1751429 - 07/26/03 07:34 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

That picture really saddens me.  :frown: 

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    #1751452 - 07/26/03 07:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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just what does he think he's doing?





Fucking up a flag.

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    #1751471 - 07/26/03 07:53 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

He's either very disprespectful or Stupid, I choose both.


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Re: this picture... [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1751474 - 07/26/03 07:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

its like Hitler signing bibles...

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    #1751879 - 07/26/03 10:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)



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    #1752217 - 07/27/03 01:22 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Its funny. that flag represents what true america is about. The quest for total self freedom. That is why we defied the british. Our founding fathers believed in personal freedom. We hardly have personal freedom. We are still controlled by other humans, for no good reason. If someone wants to smoke pot, legally they cannot. For what reason? No good reason at all. The government has drifted from the original dream of america. Do people forget that we rebelled against britain? An act that can be compared to people growing mushrooms and pot in their homes illegally. One day it will be legal to grow pot and mushrooms, but now it considered a crime. Punishible by prison. But why? Who are they "protecting"? there is no body. We all need to stop being the governments bitch and stand up and say, fuck you government! Im going to smoke pot, grow pot, and grow mushrooms in my goddamn house! If everyone starts to stand up for there rights, things will change.


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    #1752412 - 07/27/03 04:00 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

4 out of 5 of the "intolerable acts" that birthed your nation have been repeated by free trade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


shouldnt it be
ameri...............wa?


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    #1752630 - 07/27/03 08:56 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

which 4 may i ask?

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    #1753024 - 07/27/03 01:03 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Ahh yess Bushy you really are a fucking moron.. The worst thing about it is people actually think he's the one running the country right now.. Who's worse the moron.. Or the people who follow the moron???

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    #1753061 - 07/27/03 01:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Bhairabas writes:

The worst thing about it is people actually think he's the one running the country right now..

Two questions --

1) Who is the one who is really running the country right now?

2) Who was the one who was really running the country from 1992 to 2000?

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    #1753210 - 07/27/03 02:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

First off to all of you Canucks, this doesn't concern you. It is not your flag, it is ours. Secondly, a lot of you are hypocrites. If some liberal jerk off burned a flag you wouldn't give a fuck.

I think it is wrong, but I am not going to freak out about it. It is a little miniature flag, and if it means more to the owner to have the President sign it, then it is fine with me. The person asked him to sign it obviously so it was not disrespectful to them, and I am sure they have it displayed or something as a sign of respect for the country and the President.

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    #1753216 - 07/27/03 02:32 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The reptilian God control us by sending psychic commands to our brains during our sleep, using moonwaves.


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    #1753228 - 07/27/03 02:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

shakta: First off to all of you Canucks, this doesn't concern you. It is not your flag, it is ours. Secondly, a lot of you are hypocrites. If some liberal jerk off burned a flag you wouldn't give a fuck.


you're such a fuckin typical american stereotype. This is a multinational political forum, if you dont like other people's input, then go to a forum that only has american posters.


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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
    #1753248 - 07/27/03 02:43 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Secondly, a lot of you are hypocrites. If some liberal jerk off burned a flag you wouldn't give a fuck.



True enough.


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    #1753252 - 07/27/03 02:44 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Whatever. I was just making the point that it is not your flag. It is just an opportunity for all of you to bash on Bush some more. I can disagree with what you say all I want, and I can tell you it doesn't concern you all I want to. You are free to tell me I am wrong as well.

I am an American stereotype. Why, because I don't think MY President signing MY flag doesn't have anything to do with Canadians? I have no problem with Canada. Three of my favorite things come from the country. Namely hockey, Molson, and Rush! I am not anti-Canadian at all, I just find it funny when liberal Canadians act offended when MY President signs a mini version of MY flag for one of MY countrymen that is all.

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    #1753309 - 07/27/03 03:00 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"It is just an opportunity for all of you to bash on Bush some more"

so what? Ill bash Bush until his head caves in if i want to. My point is that this is a multi-national forum, so you should expect canadians to voice their opinion. And if you dont want to see that opinion voiced, then go to a forum with no canadians. If we were talking about the canadian flag, I wouldnt give a fuck if you voiced your opinion, even though it would be MY(????) flag.


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Re: this picture... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1753328 - 07/27/03 03:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

While your point on everyones opinion is accurate, his point that few who bash Bush for doing so, would be completely silent had a protester or the like done so is equally accurate.


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    #1753335 - 07/27/03 03:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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atomikfunksoldier said:
"It is just an opportunity for all of you to bash on Bush some more"

so what? Ill bash Bush until his head caves in if i want to. My point is that this is a multi-national forum, so you should expect canadians to voice their opinion. And if you dont want to see that opinion voiced, then go to a forum with no canadians. If we were talking about the canadian flag, I wouldnt give a fuck if you voiced your opinion, even though it would be MY(????) flag.




Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion, and free to voice it here. I was just saying it is not your flag so it doesn't really concern you. I am not saying you can't post on this thread or anything. Pull the wad out forming in your ass crack.

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Re: this picture... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1753342 - 07/27/03 03:13 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

surely you hold the president to a higher standard than some flag burning hippe?


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Re: this picture... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1753346 - 07/27/03 03:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

He's human, the same as the hippy.

I think Bush signing that flag is as sad as a flag being burned.


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Re: this picture... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1753347 - 07/27/03 03:16 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

shakta:"I was just saying it is not your flag so it doesn't really concern you."

so....by that logic, anything political that isnt directly related to your nationality doesnt concern you? thats very ethno-centric dont cha' think?>

but i guess it fits into the american mentality perfectly. "Its not american, i dont care" or "They arent american, they dont matter".


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Re: this picture... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1753351 - 07/27/03 03:18 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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infidelGOD said:
surely you hold the president to a higher standard than some flag burning hippe?




Sure. Like I said, I think he was wrong to do it, but I don't think he should be impeached for it or anything. It was a mistake to be sure, but what does it really matter? I just get tired of everyone bashing the President over every little thing, that is all. It gets me aggitated, and I reply with my aggitation sometimes.

Maybe it is because I am not used to extremists. I am more of a centrist than anything. Extremists on either side irritate me greatly. That is one reason why I like guys like Bush and Lieberman. Bush tends to be a little more conservative than I like, but Gore would of been way more liberal than I like as well. I think someone like Lieberman would make a great President. Sorry to get off topic.

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    #1753352 - 07/27/03 03:19 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

yeah it's pretty fucking sad. but the president isn't defacing the flag to make a political statement or anything. he's doing it because he just doesn't know better. that's so much sadder than protesters burning flags...

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    #1753358 - 07/27/03 03:23 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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shakta:"I was just saying it is not your flag so it doesn't really concern you."

so....by that logic, anything political that isnt directly related to your nationality doesnt concern you? thats very ethno-centric dont cha' think?>

but i guess it fits into the american mentality perfectly. "Its not american, i dont care" or "They arent american, they dont matter".





Alright. That is just bullshit. I care about the rest of the world. If I didn't I wouldn't post in this type of forum at all. Do I think I live in the greatest country in the world? Sure. I think a lot of people in other countries feel the same way, it is natural.

Secondly, this is not much of a political issue to me really. A world leader righting his name on a miniature flag does not seem to have far reaching implications for world politics does it?

Also, since the US probably has more diversity than anyone among it's citizens, how is that ehnocentric? I didn't say it really only concerned whities, I said it was of concern to Americans. Sorry to get you all stirred up I was just making a point.

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Re: this picture... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1753359 - 07/27/03 03:23 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

shakta:I just get tired of everyone bashing the President over every little thing, that is all. It gets me aggitated, and I reply with my aggitation sometimes.


is it just me, or do some americans view their president in way that could be described as a "personality cult"? hes just a politician, a very stupid one. Why do you care so much if people criticize him?

coming from a canadian viewpoint, we dont put our politicians on pedestals and worship them like americans tend to do, so...whats the motivation for all this un-deserved reverence? I mean, i could understand it if Bush was a good, intelligent and honourable politician, but he isnt. He sucks.


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    #1753360 - 07/27/03 03:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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infidelGOD said:
yeah it's pretty fucking sad. but the president isn't defacing the flag to make a political statement or anything. he's doing it because he just doesn't know better. that's so much sadder than protesters burning flags...




I disagree completely. It is the spirit of the act that makes it far less to me.

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    #1753365 - 07/27/03 03:25 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

sorry I used ethnocentric for lack of a better word, maybe americo-centric would be more fitting.


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Re: this picture... [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1753369 - 07/27/03 03:27 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Sad yes? No more so in my opinion.

He was probably signing a bunch of stuff and taht was handed to him. He should have not signed it but I'd be surprised if he deliberately did so.

And that's why it's not as sad.


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Re: this picture... [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1753373 - 07/27/03 03:29 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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shakta:I just get tired of everyone bashing the President over every little thing, that is all. It gets me aggitated, and I reply with my aggitation sometimes.


is it just me, or do some americans view their president in way that could be described as a "personality cult"? hes just a politician, a very stupid one. Why do you care so much is people criticize him?

coming from a canadian viewpoint, we dont put our politicians on pedestals and worship them like americans tend to do, so...whats the motivation for all this un-deserved reverence? I mean, i could understand it if Bush was a good, intelligent and honourable politician, but he isnt. He sucks.




That is your opinion of him, not mine, so it doesn't really matter. Maybe if you had leaders that actually did something once in a while you would understand. BTW, calling him stupid is pretty ignorant. He is not stupid. He may be a bit country, but that does not make him a retard. He did graduate from Yale after all, and got elected to argueably the most powerful position in the world.

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    #1753377 - 07/27/03 03:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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sorry I used ethnocentric for lack of a better word, maybe americo-centric would be more fitting.




How about patriotism then? I love my country, do you love yours?

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Re: this picture... [Re: shakta]
    #1753382 - 07/27/03 03:31 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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I just get tired of everyone bashing the President over every little thing,




Yeah like defacing the flag, allowing 9-11 to happen, choking on a pretzel, starting an unjust war and making up words during speeches.




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    #1753387 - 07/27/03 03:34 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Well in your world I guess those would be valid points. Since I have not crossed over to your dimension, I mean dementia yet I would not know. :evil: 

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    #1753389 - 07/27/03 03:35 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

shakta: Maybe if you had leaders that actually did something once in a while you would understand

whats your definition of "did something", does that mean...invading other countries? because...what else has bush done?

well, the liberals have legalized same sex-marriages, and they are decriminalizing marijuana....

but they arent bombing people and letting hundreds of their soldiers die...so...i guess they arent "doing something".

Im just curious, whats it like to live in a bubble? Bush is very very stupid, if you cant see that....well...do I have to say it?

ooooh...he graduated from Yale!!! im sure thats really hard to do when you're filthy rich and your daddy is the head of the CIA

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    #1753393 - 07/27/03 03:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

shakta: How about patriotism then? I love my country, do you love yours?


yes, I love canada, it is beautiful, your point?


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    #1753407 - 07/27/03 03:45 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You still have to pass the classes dude. It doesn't matter though, since I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine. As far as your leaders go, I was being fececious. If you have not had any leaders to respect in your history, that is your problem. I tend to think that is not the case. I am sure Canada has had some fine leaders. I don't really see how same sex marriages or decriminalization of marijuana has any affect on the rest of the world though. I would totally support these things here in the states, but unfortunately most of our citizens don't. Hopefully in the future they will.

As far as Bush doing something goes, he has and is doing plenty. The situation in Israel seems to be coming along, hundreds of terrorists are not able to carry out their plots now, how about the AIDS package we are working on for Africa? This country gives away more money and aid to the rest of the world than anyone else.

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    #1753409 - 07/27/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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shakta: How about patriotism then? I love my country, do you love yours?


yes, I love canada, it is beautiful, your point?




My point is that you have seem to have a problem with Americans loving their country and thinking it is great. I am glad you love your country. Canada is a great country. So is America IMO. That is all.

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    #1753410 - 07/27/03 03:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I don't expect everyone to know flag etiquette, but it's something I expect the president to be aware of. and I don't care if he was signing a bunch of stuff and someone just handed him a flag. that's no excuse for what he did.

I'm sure he means well, but he's too prone to doing/saying stupid things. he makes it too easy for people to bash him


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    #1753416 - 07/27/03 03:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I've said all through this discussion it was a foolish thing, what more do you want?


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    #1753421 - 07/27/03 03:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I think it was foolish thing to do as well.

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    #1753446 - 07/27/03 03:56 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I've said all through this discussion it was a foolish thing, what more do you want?

nothing. it just sounded like you were making excuses for him .. but nevermind.

I guess I'm just responding to "don't bash Bush over every little thing". I think we've always given presidents a hard time for little things they do wrong.

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    #1753452 - 07/27/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Learyfan, what I meant was he didn't mean to deface the flag. he was just signing things and he didn't know better. still inexcusable though.

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I've said all through this discussion it was a foolish thing, what more do you want?

nothing. it just sounded like you were making excuses for him .. but nevermind.

I guess I'm just responding to "don't bash Bush over every little thing". I think we've always given presidents a hard time for little things they do wrong.





True enough. I think the opposing side to every President has done this, and I am sure it will continue forever.

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    #1753475 - 07/27/03 04:09 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

i always thought flag burning was part of free speach or something.

like 'hey im expressing my extreme hatred for our government by burning this flag.'

g dub is just defacing it without meaning.

i find it kinda egotistical, myself. but whatever

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i always thought flag burning was part of free speach or something.

like 'hey im expressing my extreme hatred for our government by burning this flag.'

g dub is just defacing it without meaning.

i find it kinda egotistical, myself. but whatever




You have the right to burn the flag all you want. I personally finding it disgusting because the flag represents all of us, not just the government. I don't think he did it to be egotistical though.

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    #1755494 - 07/28/03 08:06 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I did not know this.....


TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 10. Prev
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Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation


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It probably was something he didn't know either. Still a stupid move on his part.


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who cares? So he signs a flag, big deal. It's cloth. It's not sacred.


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who cares? So he signs a flag, big deal. It's cloth. It's not sacred.



I care. It was a stupid move on his part.


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    #1755542 - 07/28/03 08:27 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

it may have been stupid but what i meant is that why are people concerned about this when there are people burning and whiping their asses with the flag and nothing is ever said, or at least they say that they have a right to do so. I don't believe in Flag etiquite(sp) even though i fly one at my house. I will say that the president should be held to a higher standard but why would Bush opponants care wether or not he defaces the flag when there are tons of them same people doing it everyday?


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I will say that the president should be held to a higher standard but why would Bush opponants care wether or not he defaces the flag when there are tons of them same people doing it everyday?



Now that I agree with.

Just hypocrites I guess.


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    #1755924 - 07/28/03 11:24 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"True enough. I think the opposing side to every President has done this, and I am sure it will continue forever"

I bag bush a lot, but I bagged clinton when he was in office, too (though these days I miss him)

distrusting whoever is in power is the American way.

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    #1755938 - 07/28/03 11:28 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Bush has been getting beat up a lot for this on conservative websites.

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    #1756078 - 07/28/03 12:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

It's helpful to most if you actually respond to the person who made the statement you are responding to. Either that or mention their name at the beginning of your response.

I'm guessing you use the piece 'o' crap quick response.


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    #1756084 - 07/28/03 12:14 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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not only is he defacing the flag, but he's gotta be a real pretentious asshole to put HIS NAME on the American flag! who the fuck does he think he is? no respect.
I betcha he doesn't even know that what he did was completely inappropriate. he really doesn't have a clue.
 




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    #1756090 - 07/28/03 12:16 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Its funny. that flag represents what true america is about. The quest for total self freedom. That is why we defied the british. Our founding fathers believed in personal freedom. We hardly have personal freedom. We are still controlled by other humans, for no good reason. If someone wants to smoke pot, legally they cannot. For what reason? No good reason at all. The government has drifted from the original dream of america. Do people forget that we rebelled against britain? An act that can be compared to people growing mushrooms and pot in their homes illegally. One day it will be legal to grow pot and mushrooms, but now it considered a crime. Punishible by prison. But why? Who are they "protecting"? there is no body. We all need to stop being the governments bitch and stand up and say, fuck you government! Im going to smoke pot, grow pot, and grow mushrooms in my goddamn house! If everyone starts to stand up for there rights, things will change.

 




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    #1756112 - 07/28/03 12:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with shatka that while an excellent excuse to bash on bush, he really didn't have malicious intent or anything....prolly just did it, without really thinking about it....kinda like the whole war on terror thing.


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    #1756143 - 07/28/03 12:34 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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I agree with shatka that while an excellent excuse to bash on bush, he really didn't have malicious intent or anything....prolly just did it, without really thinking about it....kinda like the whole war on terror thing. 




Yeah, those planes crashing into our buildings were no reason to do anything. We should have just taken it, and maybe the rest of them would have left us alone. :rolleyes:

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Brilliant!  Lead by example...what a concept, and here america was almost the bigger man, glad to see they confirm thier reputation by using it as an excuse to hunt down evil.....or as it turns out, thier best interests. :smirk:


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What about the delayed scrambling times?...the penta lawn?...or do thinking of these things contradict the "facts"?


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Brilliant!  Lead by example...what a concept, and here america was almost the bigger man, glad to see they confirm thier reputation by using it as an excuse to hunt down evil.....or as it turns out, thier best interests. :smirk: 




You win the prize for dumbest post of the day. It is easy to criticize though, when you are not being attacked.

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Yeah, it would cost alot more to tighten security, or have it work as it was supposed to, rather than declare an enemy that can never die (terror, evil) and then spend billions on foreign wars to help totally unrelated people aslo deal with the terror.....while conveniantly establishing a presence.

Face it, america should have taken it like a man instead of a spoiled 3 year old. Sure people died, and damage was done, but its not like even the one city was decimated...only a small part. You truly feel threatened by that?!.. mabye im not watching enough CNN.


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    #1756242 - 07/28/03 01:09 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You can go fuck yourself with that statement. What do you mean it's not like the whole city was decimated? I thought you were an alright guy, but you are obviously an idiot that has no respect for human life. FYI, that is what Osama thought we would do. He thought we would just take it. We instead decided to try to make the world a better place by killing and imprisoning those that want to kill anyone that is not just like them. God forbid anything like this ever happen in Vancouver, but if it did I bet you would see things differently. I know I wouldn't tell you to just take it, because only 3000 of your people, and the two largest buildings in your country were destroyed.

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    #1756269 - 07/28/03 01:20 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I think you're taking what he said the wrong way.

Yeah,it was a big fuckin' deal,but it was still a dozen people in a single act that did the deed. It's funny how you didn't hear shit about terrorism for years,then all of a sudden everyone and their mother is a terrorist overnight.Almost everyone I knew just wanted revenge "blow the whole country up,women and children and all". Anybody who doesn't say our retaliatory attacks weren't warm blooded is an idiot.


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    #1756276 - 07/28/03 01:22 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Reactive security is fairly useless against determined terrorists, unless you want to live in a police state. You have to put up a good offense.

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It's funny how you didn't hear shit about terrorism for years




The trade center took 2 attemps to bring down, 2 embassies were blown up with heavy civilian casualties, one ship and one barracks were attacked. All this was Al Queda. They had been attacking us fairly steadily for most of a decade.


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    #1756296 - 07/28/03 01:27 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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It's funny how you didn't hear shit about terrorism for years



To be more accurate, YOU may not have heard, some of us actually listened.


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    #1756341 - 07/28/03 01:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I meant on a large scale.Obviously,there were isolated incidents,but as far as the mainstream media,it wasn't talked about much. I thought that was implied,but if you want me to spell it out for you I can.


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    #1756346 - 07/28/03 01:42 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Since your implied statements seem to constantly come up short, perhaps that would be best.


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    #1756347 - 07/28/03 01:43 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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God forbid anything like this ever happen in Vancouver, but if it did I bet you would see things differently.




You know your right...i probably would. Then i would have no mind to believe anything other than what is blasted into my head from the media, and the government, who would then play on that emotion until the war on terror, becomes a sham having nothing to do with the attack or the victims it claimed, all the while destoying my rights, so that it can never happen again.
I see where your coming from, but there is the other side of the story....can you not see the resemblance between the war on drugs and the war on terror? Can you not see how both wars will never defeat the enemy? Can you recognise the business that is war?, and jails? and cheap labour? Put your emotions that are being manipulated away, and SEE....


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    #1756371 - 07/28/03 01:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I personally don't see much of a similarity between the two at all. How is the war on terror infringing on your rights by the way? I think the war on terror is much more doable than the WOD. A large portion of the world's inhabitants are not terrorists, while a large portion are drug users.

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    #1756377 - 07/28/03 01:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

and the war on "evil"?....hows that coming along?...are you 20% done, or was it more like 23.5%? :smirk:


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    #1756386 - 07/28/03 01:52 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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as far as the mainstream media,it wasn't talked about much.




Except for CNN, NPR, FOX, MSNBC, and the major broadcast networks. Oh, and any major newspaper and magazine.

You may not have been paying attention, but it has always been news.

Clinton addressing the nation to announce retaliatory missile strikes against Al Queda were pretty big news. It was even bigger when an intelligence failure led to one of his targets being an aspirin factory in the Sudan. Surely you saw that one on tv or read about it.

It has always been there, and was always news, we just never did anything substantial about it. We let it go, and it festered and grew.

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    #1756396 - 07/28/03 01:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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and the war on "evil"?....hows that coming along?...are you 20% done, or was it more like 23.5%? :smirk: 




Well if we had a war on evil going I would let you know. So you don't think terrorists are evil?

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    #1756433 - 07/28/03 02:06 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, terrorists are 'evil', and 'evil' is a subjective term. They are 'heroes' of alah to some. My point is that this war can go on indefinately because there will always be 'evil' terrorists out there regardless of reality or intention. This war is great because its an enemy with no name....no face....they can target pretty much anybody.
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    #1756446 - 07/28/03 02:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

You can defeat them as an organization and render them far less harmless.

We still have nazis, and it is impossible to eradicate ideology through force of arms. We did, however, render them infinitely less harmfull than when they had their own state.

Al Queda had their own state, now they don't. Their backers are either quitting them or falling. Since their infrastructure in Afghanistan was smashed, they haven't been able to project power outside their own backyard. They've tried, but have failed, in every attack on European soil, and haven't worked up to trying the US again.

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    #1756449 - 07/28/03 02:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I do remember the axis of evil, and it isn't an axis anymore. I don't think that helps your argument to much. :wink:

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    #1756475 - 07/28/03 02:17 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

But canada has decriminalised pot!....pot aka drugs support terrorism, so if it were in americas best interests we could be evil too. I see where both you and wingtux are coming from, and it may be best that saddam is gone, but assume america comes to rule the world....would it really change at all? Mabye your leaders are the biggest threat of all...what if they are the ones who end up pushing the button? I just can't believe a country can truly believe they are more moral than another and knows whats "best".(mabye for themselves)


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    #1756518 - 07/28/03 02:32 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Well when we decide to actually take over a country and make it New America I will get back to you, until then I think it is safe to say that we are better than Saddam or the Taliban. We don't murder thousands of our own people on a regular basis. If you are trying to argue that Saddam was a good guy as far as the Iraqis and their morals were concerned you are not going to win that argument.

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Well when we decide to actually take over a country and make it New America I will get back to you, until then I think it is safe to say that we are better than Saddam or the Taliban.




Well we can both agree america appears better than saddam and the taliban. :wink:

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We don't murder thousands of our own people on a regular basis. If you are trying to argue that Saddam was a good guy as far as the Iraqis and their morals were concerned you are not going to win that argument. 




Ha!...im smarter than to argue that...
But really, it probably was better for the iraqis best interests, at least on a material level.  We'll see how westernisation effects them, but invasihon or not westernisation is happening all over the globe.

Morality really has nothing to do with it, as it doesn't matter in the end, still we have yet to see how computers, and other new technologies will effect us in our daily lives, and this technology is still growing at a rate that can't continue for long.


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    #1756533 - 07/28/03 02:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

One thing I forgot to add about your pot example. I think it is safe to say that Canadiens grow the pot that you are consuming. Unless the Canadien government starts buying truckloads of pot from Osama you don't have anything to worry about. The only way buying drugs supports terror is if the source of the drug is a terrorist organization, like the heroine produced in Afghanistan was for example.

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    #1756548 - 07/28/03 02:42 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I know that, i had in mind that commercial which implies drugs and terrorism are the same stuff. :tongue:
Just because its not true doesn't mean it won't be passed off as truth.


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    #1756561 - 07/28/03 02:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think you have to worry about Bush attacking Canada anytime soon. The decriminalization will probably affect how easy it is to cross the border though. This is unfortunate, but our government is still fighting the WOD as you know. This is not a partisan issue either. Almost all of our politicians believe in it.

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    #1756588 - 07/28/03 03:00 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I believe canda would have decriminalised it and made a fortune, had not the americans made sure we would loose alot more through business dealings.

Anyway i wasn't worried about america invading canada, more of trying to show how we could be tied to terrorism, and thus targeted in the future....like just about any other country in existance.


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    #1756605 - 07/28/03 03:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

you have to admit that's a hell of a stretch.

And yes, the whole pot-promotes-terrorism thing is dumb. Any blackmarket funds illicit enterprises, from pot to untaxed honey. It's a ploy by WOD proponents, nothing more.

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    #1756621 - 07/28/03 03:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Two things.

1. How would Canada make anything off decriminalization? It is still illegal. Unless the government is growing and distributing it or taxing it you are not making money off of it. You would probably save money on incarceration costs and things like that though.

2. My point is we are not going to attack a country unless they are seen as a legitamite threat. Iraq was seen as a threat by most of the world. We and the rest of the coalition were the only ones willing to take out the threat. It isn't like we were alone in this either. That is besides the point though. The point is, you came up with a ludicrous scenario, and said we would attack your country for it. We have not attackes a country that has not been a supporter of terrorists to date. I did not say Al Qeada either, I said terrorists.

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    #1756637 - 07/28/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

And even if weed did fund terrorism,why would I be responsible for that? I don't control what others do with the money I purchase goods with. It's kind of like saying if I purchased a car from you,and you took that money and bought a knife and murdered someone,I'm partly responsible for murder.

Anybody who supports the WOD is a fucking moron or it serves their own self interests.


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    #1756649 - 07/28/03 03:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Does your feelings on that hold true for any legally made and sold product?


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    #1756653 - 07/28/03 03:25 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Two things.

1. How would Canada make anything off decriminalization? It is still illegal. Unless the government is growing and distributing it or taxing it you are not making money off of it. You would probably save money on incarceration costs and things like that though.




They won't thats why it was a stupid decision made by intimidated politians. They SHOULD have legalised it, then we could make hemp paper, clothes, have an great tourism industry, americans would visit. We never legalised because of america, but im more pissed at our polititians, because they're the ones who tucked thier tails instead of serving our countries best interests.

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shakta said:2. My point is we are not going to attack a country unless they are seen as a legitamite threat.




Then america needs glasses, because the reality was iraq was no threat.


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shakta said:The point is, you came up with a ludicrous scenario, and said we would attack your country for it. We have not attackes a country that has not been a supporter of terrorists to date. I did not say Al Qeada either, I said terrorists.




Your government said drugs support terrorism. Canada has decriminalised a said drug, so america could tie them to terrorist activity. You miss my points completely...
Im not arguing for anything other than the untrustworthyness of people in power, and thier inevitability to lie and abuse thier positions...


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    #1756661 - 07/28/03 03:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Could you rephrase that Luv?I'm not sure what you're getting at.


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    #1756670 - 07/28/03 03:32 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

OK. I'm asking this.... if someone sells a legally made and sold product to another, and the buyer uses that product to commit a crime, is the seller in any way responsible for the act of the buyer?


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    #1756679 - 07/28/03 03:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Off the top of my head,in most cases,no.



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    #1756682 - 07/28/03 03:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

In what case would you hold a seller of a legally made and sold product to be responsible for the actions of the buyer?


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    #1756710 - 07/28/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

That's why I said "off the top of my head",because their might be some exceptions I just can't think of right now.

OK, a scenario.A gun dealer sells a gun to someone that has the clear intent of using that gun to illegally harm someone. Would that be legal? I have a fairly poor understanding of gun laws.Anyway, I think the dealer should be held partly responsible.


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    #1756712 - 07/28/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Can't you just say your point?...the suspence is killin me! :tongue2:


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    #1756722 - 07/28/03 03:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Anybody who supports the WOD is a fucking moron or it serves their own self interests.




I don't think you'll find a whole lot of opposition to that statement here.

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    #1756726 - 07/28/03 03:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Now your stretching it a bit too far.
Who other than a nutcase would walk into a gun shop and say to the owner...

Say there fella, I need a gun to head down town to shoot someone who has pissed me off. Care to help me out?



However, guns were the reason I asked. After your comment on the knife it made me wonder how you feel about many cities and towns suing the gunmakers because after they have legally made and sold their products, which during the sales process requires paperwork and record checks, some use them in an illegal manner.


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    #1756745 - 07/28/03 03:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Your government said drugs support terrorism. Canada has decriminalised a said drug, so america could tie them to terrorist activity. You miss my points completely...
Im not arguing for anything other than the untrustworthyness of people in power, and thier inevitability to lie and abuse thier positions...




BS. We say drugs that come from terrorists support terrorists. I am not arguing for the WOD here at all. Decriminalization of the drug has nothing to do with buying drugs from terrorists. I understood your point, it was just inherantly flawed to begin with. As far as lies and abuse go, you still have not shown any proof of that.

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    #1756750 - 07/28/03 03:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I know it was a strech,I was just giving you an example.I'm sure it's happened before though.

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However, guns were the reason I asked. After your comment on the knife it made me wonder how you feel about many cities and towns suing the gunmakers because after they have legally made and sold their products, which during the sales process requires paperwork and record checks, some use them in an illegal manner.





I don't know the specifics,but the way you worded it I think it's fucked up. It reminds me of the fact that drug dealers have been convicted of murder when the person who bought the drugs has OD'd and the drugs were not knowingly misrepresented or anything of that nature.


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    #1756763 - 07/28/03 04:03 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Good.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.


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    #1756766 - 07/28/03 04:03 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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As far as lies and abuse go, you still have not shown any proof of that. 




Prove the untrustworthyness of people in power, and thier inevitability to lie and abuse thier positions?...

Gee....i've done an extensive search, and it appears you have me shakta.....i can't even find one example. :shake:


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    #1756777 - 07/28/03 04:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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It reminds me of the fact that drug dealers have been convicted of murder when the person who bought the drugs has OD'd and the drugs were not knowingly misrepresented or anything of that nature.





Same thing, imho.

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As far as lies and abuse go, you still have not shown any proof of that. 




Prove the untrustworthyness of people in power, and thier inevitability to lie and abuse thier positions?...

Gee....i've done an extensive search, and it appears you have me shakta.....i can't even find one example. :shake: 




Now you are just generalizing. :rolleyes:

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    #1760032 - 07/29/03 03:37 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

our president is a criminal - having done cocaine in the past, and supported the destruction of civil liberties everywhere, he has no problem fucking up his flag.


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our president is a criminal - having done cocaine in the past, and supported the destruction of civil liberties everywhere, he has no problem fucking up his flag.




Nice try. The cocaine part shouldn't be much of a concern on this site. All of them destroyed our liberties with the Patriot Act which it looks like is going to be realed in finally.

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    #1760117 - 07/29/03 04:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Until the next terror strike...
Should happen sometime in 2004.


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those who consume "magic" mushrooms are criminals as well.. I'm just saying, he's shown disrespect for existing 'rules' in the past, and even while in a very powerful position will continue to do so.


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The criminal murdered his cat in execution style.
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The criminal murdered his cat in execution style.
For his own perverted plesure.



Shenanigans!

Can you back that up?


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