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Sick Americans
    #3613504 - 01/11/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Inmate Says Graner Laughed During Abuse

Jan 11, 5:15 PM (ET)

By T.A. BADGER

FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) - A Syrian inmate at Abu Ghraib prison testified in a videotape played for a jury Tuesday that Army Spc. Charles Graner merrily whistled, sang and laughed while brutalizing him and forced him to eat pork and drink alcohol in violation of his Muslim faith.

Amin al-Sheikh, in a deposition played at Graner's court-martial, said Graner threatened more than once to kill him and told him to thank Jesus for keeping him alive. The inmate also said he listened through his cell wall as Graner and other Americans forced a Yemeni prisoner to eat from a toilet.

Asked if Graner appeared to enjoy hurting him, al-Sheikh said through an interpreter: "He was laughing. ... He laughed. He was whistling. He was singing."

He described Graner as the "primary torturer" and "a naturally aggressive man" - a characterization that led Graner, sitting in the courtroom, to roll his eyes and chuckle.

Graner is the first soldier accused in the Abu Ghraib scandal to go on trial. Prosecutors allege the Army reservist was the ringleader of the abuse. Three fellow guards from the 372nd Military Police Company have pleaded guilty to abusing detainees.

Graner is charged with conspiracy, assault, committing indecent acts and other offenses. He could get to 17 1/2 years in a military prison if convicted.

Al-Sheikh said he went to Iraq in 2003 to fight U.S.-led forces, and he was taken to Abu Ghraib after being captured with AK-47 assault rifles, grenades and bomb-making material. While being kept at a tent camp next to Abu Ghraib, al-Sheikh said, he was wounded in the leg and chest in a shootout with Americans after he obtained a handgun from an Iraqi guard.

Al-Sheikh said Graner jumped on his wounded leg and struck it with a collapsible stick. On another occasion, he said, Graner handcuffed him to his cell door with his arms behind his back for eight hours. Graner also accompanied a U.S. soldier who urinated on him, al-Sheikh said. Another American threatened to rape him, he said.

Graner said after the video testimony that he remembered al-Sheikh. "The last time I saw him, he was threatening to kill me," the defendant said.

Under defense questioning, al-Sheikh said Graner at times worked with Americans who were interrogating him at Abu Ghraib. He said interrogators known as "Steve" and "Mikey" made it clear that he would be roughed up by Graner if he did not cooperate.

Defense attorney Guy Womack said al-Sheikh's testimony was good for his client. "It was the face of the enemy," Womack said. "It's very clear that he hates America."

The defense maintains that Graner and other soldiers were ordered by military and civilian intelligence officers to soften up detainees for questioning, and that they had no choice but to obey.

Al-Sheikh conceded that he did not see Graner and others making the Yemeni prisoner eat from the toilet, but said it was clear that was happening from what he heard.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050111/D87I4VVO0.html


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Ravus]
    #3613549 - 01/11/05 05:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

correction: sick american.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Ravus]
    #3613555 - 01/11/05 06:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Wow he should never have been tortured for that length of time, they should have killed him after a few days of noncompliance.

See, the problem was using American prison guards which led to a great deal of torture with no purpose; that is what upsets me. If only high ranking career military personnel who were trained in the proper methods of torture were used, this situation would have been avoided along with numerous positive results.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: d33p]
    #3613616 - 01/11/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Nowhere near as bad as Nazi and Japanese guards during WWII. The prisoners at Abu Graib are lucky.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3613629 - 01/11/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

stfu
it is not a matter of "gee, someone else was treated worse, therefore what has happened now doesnt matter"
it is matter of looking at each individual case.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: MrBump]
    #3613704 - 01/11/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The inmate also said he listened through his cell wall as Graner and other Americans forced a Yemeni prisoner to eat from a toilet.




I'm guessing others had a lot more to do with this than is said just above too, so it would be in the plural


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Vvellum]
    #3613996 - 01/11/05 07:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe they deserved to be tortured.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Ravus]
    #3614025 - 01/11/05 07:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

at least they did not put Panties on his head!


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Ravus]
    #3614816 - 01/11/05 11:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Who cares?


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: SoopaX]
    #3614910 - 01/11/05 11:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Alot of people.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3615102 - 01/12/05 12:02 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Only on the Shroomery could "A lot of people" care about the rantings of some man who was hell bent on killing US troops.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3615126 - 01/12/05 12:05 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Great_Satan said:
Nowhere near as bad as Nazi and Japanese guards during WWII. The prisoners at Abu Graib are lucky.




you say that sitting behind a monitor 1000000000000 miles (give or take) away


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: SoopaX]
    #3616904 - 01/12/05 08:25 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Only in America could someone be so mislead about what the people of the world care about.

But to be fair, I suppose the witness could be embelishing his testimony some.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3616974 - 01/12/05 09:11 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Do you know how many homeless people would kill to have a bottle of whiskey and some delicious pigmeat?


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: looner2]
    #3617018 - 01/12/05 09:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I once kidnapped a seventh day adventist and made them celebrate christmas and bought them presents.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3617053 - 01/12/05 10:11 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I once starved a Methodist while forcing him to celebrate Ramadan.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3617085 - 01/12/05 10:23 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I once kidnapped a seventh day adventist and made them celebrate christmas and bought them presents




the new truck was swell, thanks for the present.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3617252 - 01/12/05 11:39 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"might be"? This is fucking hilarious. This guy was planning to use roadside bombs to kill Americans, and as "TORTURE" he gets fed fucking ribs and a brew? Jesus christ, if THATS torture, I was tortured all night last night! I had 2 racks and about 8 beers! Oh the humanity!


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3617253 - 01/12/05 11:40 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If the whining bitches of the world care more about the fact that this guy was fed and given a beer or two instead of the fact that he planned to murder people, well, no wonder we are in such a shithole. Lets all pray for some smallpox outbreak.


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Re: Sick Americans [Re: SoopaX]
    #3617308 - 01/12/05 11:58 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

In case you didn't know, eating any kind of pork is against core Islamic law.

So is drinking any form of alcohol.

Both of these facts are common knowledge.

To violate this man's religious beliefs in such a deliberate way could easily be classified as torture.

Two words for you: Rigid thinking.


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