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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
If your young child ASKS to be circumcised, without being coerced, its a bit different.

I can almost gurantee that would never happen though, young children dont sit around thinking about chopping a chunk of their dick off...

thats what sicko adults do.


What kind of sicko is so concerned about other peoples childrens genitalia?


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
Shins said:
basic human rights and age of consent are different.

you cant just do whatever you want to your child under the age of 18.


By legal definition circumcision is not a violation if human rights. On to the next incoherent argument

from shins


it should be, like female genital mutilatuon is.

from a moral definition it is.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
from a moral definition it is.


You mean in your opinion it is. Which is fine as long as your not trying to subjugate others to your definitions of morality


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
Shins said:
If your young child ASKS to be circumcised, without being coerced, its a bit different.

I can almost gurantee that would never happen though, young children dont sit around thinking about chopping a chunk of their dick off...

thats what sicko adults do.


What kind of sicko is so concerned about other peoples childrens genitalia?


someone who thinks its wrong to mutilate the genitals of children.

someonse who is concerned about ethics.

someone who thinks children deserve protection from religous nutcases who indend to batter them.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Simplicitry said:
Shins said:
from a moral definition it is.


You mean in your opinion it is. Which is fine as long as your not trying to subjugate others to your definitions of morality


your definition of "morality" is piss poor if it involves mutilating children.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Simplicitry said:
Shins said:
If your young child ASKS to be circumcised, without being coerced, its a bit different.

I can almost gurantee that would never happen though, young children dont sit around thinking about chopping a chunk of their dick off...

thats what sicko adults do.


What kind of sicko is so concerned about other peoples childrens genitalia?


someone who thinks its wrong to mutilate the genitals of children.

someonse who is concerned about ethics.

someone who thinks children deserve protection from religous nutcases who indend to batter them.


Someone trying to protect a child from the religion of their parents = tyrant

Also, as has been pointed out to you multiple times, circumcision is not restricted to the realm of religion


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Simplicitry said:
Shins said:
from a moral definition it is.


You mean in your opinion it is. Which is fine as long as your not trying to subjugate others to your definitions of morality


your definition of "morality" is piss poor if it involves mutilating children.


you know nothing of my definitions of morality. they just happen to include not trying to subjugate other people to my belief systems. something you obviously would never understand


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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If your religion involves assaulting children, then fuck your religion or find a way to practice it without mutilation.


Its the same as how our laws protect all indivduals against assault.

laws against assault in society are not tyrannical.

do you consider those laws "subjugation?"

The non-violence principle might be the most basic principle of ethics.

Does your belief system also excuse people who commit other assaults?

am i a tyrant for thinking that assault should be illegal and met with returned force?


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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I think it is child abuse to send your child to the school you went to.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
If your religion involves assaulting children, then fuck your religion or find a way to practice it without mutilation.


Yep tyranny is always disguised with good intentions. Also, as has been pointed out to you too many times, circumcision is not confined to the realm of religion. There are non religious medical professionals that advocated it, and then some that don't. There is no consensus on the matter. As a personal choice I decided not to circumcise my sons, but I'm not a tyrant like you so I just made that choice and moved on with my life

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Shins said:
Its the same as how our laws protect all indivduals against assault.

laws against assault in society are not tyrannical.

do you consider those laws "subjugation?"

The non-violence principle might be the most basic principle of ethics.

Does your belief system also excuse people who commit other assaults?

am i a tyrant for thinking that assault should be illegal and met with returned force?


no matter how badly you want to make it seem as though its assault or a violation of civil liberties it is not.

no matter how badly you wanna make it seem as though it's some kind of cult like religious torture it is not

There are non religious medical professionals that are much smarter than you,  with much more education on the matter that advocate circumcision, and then there are those that don't, but the point is there's no consensus on the matter, and it's not strictly a matter of religious fanaticism


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Circumcision is assault by all common and legal definitions.

There are also doctors who get money for performing circumcisions.

There are also many jewish doctors.

Im pretty sure that most of the major medical associations reccomend against circumcision.

no matter how hard you dont want to think its child abuse, it is.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Take your tyranny elsewhere, tyrant.

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Circumcision is assault by all common and legal definitions.


Actually no it's not
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Shins said:
There are also doctors who get money for performing circumcisions.

There are also many jewish doctors.


Are you implying that there aren't any non religious advocates of circumcision that aren't being paid to advocate it. I'd ask if you know if that's ridiculous or not, but you obviously don't
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Shins said:
Im pretty sure that most of the major medical associations reccomend against circumcision.


Well then your wrong, the American Medical Association isn't against it
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Shins said:
no matter how hard you dont want to think its child abuse, it is.


In your opinion. I think it's child abuse to be raised by unintelligent parents, but I'm not a tyrant so I don't wanna take dumb people's children away


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Somehow I knew it was going to come down to da JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS with him.

There are real health reasons.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Circumcision is assault by all common and legal definitions.



Incorrect.  There is no indication that newborns are able to apprehend an imminent battery...It is only assault in your twisted mind.

You don't like that people do it, so you've declared it "child abuse" and "assault"...when really, you just want to be the one who decides what everyone else can and can't do.

Your rhetoric is becoming tiring.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Enlil]
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Circumcision is assault.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: lines]
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Only for those who don't understand the definition of assault.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Enlil]
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Circumcision causes bodily harm.

Germany has the right idea, they recently  made circumcision illegal because they realised that infant mutilation IS assault causing bodily harm.

did you know some rabbis also suck on the infant's penor during the ritual?

sick.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Anything is sick if you think it is sick...

fortunately, you don't set the standards by which all of the rest of us must live.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Enlil]
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So youre fine with adults sucking the penis of babies as well as mutilating them?

I cant fathom why...


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