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Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit
#3373029 - 11/17/04 07:19 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st...4&ncid=1478
FALLUJAH, Iraq (AFP) - The body of a blonde-haired woman with her legs and arms cut off and throat slit was found lying on the street in Fallujah, a notorious enclave for hostage-takers, marines said.
"It is definitely a Caucasian woman with long blonde hair," said a military official, who cut open a cover that had been over the corpse.
The gruesome discovery was made as the marines moved through the south of Fallujah, hunting out the remaining die-hard rebels after a week of fierce fighting to regain control of the city.
"It is a female... missing all four appendages, with a slashed throat and disembowled, she has been dead for a while but only in this location for a day or two," said Benjamin Finnell, a hospital apprentice with the Navy Corps, who had inspected the body.
An AFP photographer embedded with the marines said the woman was wearing a blue dress and her face was completely disfigured.
The marines said she appeared to have been on the street for about two days.
Sweeps of rubble-strewn neighbourhoods in Fallujah have already uncovered a grisly underworld of hostage slaughterhouses, prisons and torture chambers as well as the corpses of Iraqis who had been executed, marines say.
Surviving hostages have also been found, but only one has been a foreigner -- a Syrian driver who was abducted with two French journalists in August.
Two foreign women have been abducted in Iraq (news - web sites) and remain missing.
One, Teresa Borcz, 54, a Pole, has blonde hair, the other, British aid worker Margaret Hassan, 59, has chestnut-coloured hair.
Borcz, married to an Iraqi and a resident in Iraq for 30 years, was abducted late last month. She has appeared in two video cassettes appealing to the Polish government to help her but her fate is unknown.
Hassan, the Iraqi head of relief agency CARE International, was kidnapped on her way to work in Baghdad on October 19 and has appeared in three videos.
She also holds Iraqi citizenship after marrying an Iraq and is a long-term resident of the country.
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Apparently they draw the line at cutting off womens heads. In which order do you believe they carried out these atrocities? Let's hope they slit her throat first.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: HagbardCeline]
#3373043 - 11/17/04 07:28 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You see, we arent the only ones committing violent acts against our enemy. Although, I dont see the need to cut off all the limbs and leave the head. I would have have cut the head off too just to make a nice torso.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: AaronEvil]
#3373072 - 11/17/04 07:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You see, we arent the only ones committing violent acts against our enemy
In which case stories like this should not bother you in the slightest, since it must be like looking in the mirror.
The difference is the US likes to make out that it, and its humans, are above commiting atrocities, and that is a phallacy.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: CJay]
#3373087 - 11/17/04 07:55 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The difference is the US likes to make out that it, and its humans, are above commiting atrocities, and that is a phallacy.
a little freudian slip there? 
of course the US isn't above commiting atrocities. no state is. such is war.
as far as "looking in the mirror"... i can't help but fail to find any examples of the US kidnapping and brutally executing aid workers.
seriously. killing aid workers who are there for no other reason than the help the people of iraq? what the hell do these people want?
the possibility of a free and democratic iraq undermines everything they stand for and require for support, and their goal is to undermine it at any cost. they don't give a shit about iraqis.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: ]
#3373267 - 11/17/04 09:22 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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there was no Freudian slip - The US is the nation involved that has a code of honour and has signed treaties that outline "war crimes" and unacceptable behaviour. The US military is legally bound to uphold these agreements, and so is every soldier they sign up. They all know that - that is their agreement. This is obviously not happening - therefore the supposed code of honour is a phallacy. Why even have it? Quote:
i can't help but fail to find any examples of the US kidnapping and brutally executing aid workers. seriously. killing aid workers who are there for no other reason than the help the people of iraq? what the hell do these people want?
There are plenty of examples of the US brutally killing groups of children playing, families cowering in fear in their homes, shooting people in cold blood, torturing prisoners etc etc. Seriously, killing kids playing, women in their homes and so forth - what the Hell do they want??? Quote:
the possibility of a free and democratic iraq undermines everything they stand for and require for support, and their goal is to undermine it at any cost. they don't give a shit about iraqis.
The possibility of a (so called democratic) puppet state, firmly under US control, is all the US wants. Anyone against this wish of the Almighty undermines everything the US desires, and the US goal is to destroy them no matter the cost. Men, women and children. The US doesn't give a shit about Iraqis - that's why over 100,000 possibly even 200,000 civillians have been killed in a year and a half. Sounds like fucking genocide, and that is what the USAdmin would call it if anyone else acted in the way they do. They're pretty hot on Saddam's 25 year grand total and may have exceeded it already! Aaaah - the taste of enforced 'freedom'. "You are free, to do as we tell you"
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: CJay]
#3373289 - 11/17/04 09:27 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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CJay writes:
There are plenty of examples of the US brutally killing groups of children playing,...
Really? Then you should have no difficulty linking to credible sources reporting a couple such incidents. Would you care to do that, please?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Phred]
#3373521 - 11/17/04 10:27 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3373561 - 11/17/04 10:35 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Must be naptime.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3373564 - 11/17/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice picture. Could we have context now plz? A reputable source would be good too.
It doesn't even look like an American tank plus for all we know the kids are playing 'Ring around Halabja'....
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: st0nedphucker]
#3373591 - 11/17/04 10:44 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awww, he wants a source for a picture instead of a picture for a source!
Are you normally this emotional on the Shroomery?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Phred]
#3373615 - 11/17/04 10:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can find these reports in pretty much any paper/news network:
They [Americans] hit two homes where the wedding was being held and then they levelled the whole village
the children were apparently playing nearby when the attack took place..."We have seen this before, so it's not as if we were speaking without experience," said UN spokesman Manoel de Alemeida e Silva.
"mistakes" admitted by US government in Afgan bombings:
Dec 2001: 65 killed in bombing of convoy of tribal elders April 2002: Four Canadian soldiers killed July 2002: 48 killed when bomb hits wedding party April 2003: 11 killed by bomb in village of Shkin Dec 2003: Nine children killed by bomb near Ghazni
"They were just playing ball and then the shots came down,? Hamidullah told the Associated Press. His eight-year-old son Habibullah was among the dead. US troops, including an army general, helicoptered into the village to offer condolences, and a US military spokesman described villagers as ?pretty understanding? about the killing of the nine children. According to the AP, however, local residents remained distraught and angry. ?First they fire their rockets. Then they say it was a mistake,? said Haji Amir Mohammed. ?How can we forgive them??
Violent deaths were mainly attributed to coalition forces - and most individuals reportedly killed were women and children.Dr Les Roberts, who led the study, said: "Making conservative assumptions we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. "Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most of the violent deaths."
That's a lot of 'mistakes' - no wonder the natives are restless!
In July 2002, Afghan officials said 48 civilians at a wedding party were killed and 117 wounded by a U.S. air strike in Afghanistan's Uruzgan province. An investigative report released by the U.S. Central Command said the air strike was justified because American planes had come under fire.
the same admitted atrocity and 'unconfirmed' atrocity
Lt Col Ziyad al-Jbouri, deputy police chief of Ramadi, said between 42 and 45 people were killed in the attack, which took place about 2:45am. He said the dead included 15 children and 10 women. Dr Salah al-Ani, who works at a hospital in Ramadi, put the death toll at 45. Pentagon officials said they had no information about the attack, but said US forces raided a suspected safe house for foreign fighters
A statement from spokesman Colonel Bryan Hilferty at US headquarters in Afghanistan said the children's bodies had been found by ground troops of the US-led force near the body of the intended target. It regretted the loss of innocent life and the "tragic incident" was being investigated.
American military officials were last night trying to explain one of their worst blunders during the nine-month war in Afghanistan after a US plane mistakenly targeted a house full of wedding guests, killing at least 30 of them.
It is hard to know how much people outside Falluja are aware of what is going on here.I want them to know about conditions inside this city - there are dead women and children lying on the streets. People are getting weaker from hunger. Many are dying from their injuries because there is no medical help left in the city whatsoever.Some families have started burying their dead in their gardens.
Right I'm bored of that, there's an endles supply of detail if you care to look here, I have just scratched the surface - do your own research next time
And let's not forget what is happening today, right now - God bless all those innocents and all the killers too no matter where they come from or what they believe in.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3373628 - 11/17/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Only when you're around ..
Now are you going to provide a source or carry on posting random pictures and baiting people?
You can even add some of your usual religious sentiments if you want, I don't mind
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: CJay]
#3373661 - 11/17/04 10:58 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some of those stories aren't even confirmed to have happened let alone the details.
Except for the accidental bombing of a school in Afghanistan there aren't any examples of the 'US brutally killing playing children.'
Whi is it overblown and emotional statements are all the rage lately.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: st0nedphucker]
#3373679 - 11/17/04 11:02 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Baiting? That assertion of yours is fairly questionable.
The picture is from a blog set up days ago when the offensive began. It's one of dozens depicting mangled, maimed, and injured Fallujans - men, women, and children - as well as dead and injured U.S. soldier; so it's a fairly balanced site. http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3373721 - 11/17/04 11:13 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That site is pretty graphic, for those of you who are squeamish.
Why did you post that link? It doesn't even include any information on the picture, when it was taken or even who by.
As for arab7.com I can't read Arabic...
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3373754 - 11/17/04 11:19 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That blog just has random pictures of fallujah, from many sources. Most of the pictures do seem very reliable and accurate depictions of war. However, they do seem to be collecting photos from a variety of sources, and the simple fact that a picture appears on that site isn't very good evidence that it's from fallujah.
This photo was presented without comment; it is from arab7.com.
Arab7.com is an arabic-language forum. It has various pictures, and doesn't seem to have anything specifically to do with the Iraq war.
Basically, the picture isn't very high resolution. The tank doesn't look like an american tank. There isn't very good evidence that it's a picture of what's happening in fallujah, as the fallujahpictures blog claims.
However, overall I found fallujah pictures to be a pretty effective and interesting site; it's worth checking out, whatever your political opinion on the Iraq war.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3373831 - 11/17/04 11:44 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those children don't even look hurt.
One is lying down with her hands behind her head on a towel. The one at the very back appears to have her arm up with her hand on her head. There no indication that any sort of carnage even happened there. No blood, no mess.
Try again.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: HagbardCeline]
#3373847 - 11/17/04 11:48 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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See, this is why I don't do stupid things like go to Iraq.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: CJay]
#3373854 - 11/17/04 11:50 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
CJay said: Quote:
You see, we arent the only ones committing violent acts against our enemy
and that is a phallacy.
fallacy the "freudian slip" was a referral to dr sigmund freud, who held that emotionally charged issues sometimes "subconsciously" contain a mis-speaking (or, a mis-spelling) of words used... often with a vaguely or even specifically sexual referent... (& then there's "spellchecker" but - hoo wantz too spel rite ennywaze?) ------> "fallacy" = untrue statement... "phallacy" is not in www.dictionary.com , but there would seem to be a strong approximation of the word "phallus" having to do with male generative organ, the penis... ~ thus the freudian slip might have something to do with being a dick, or fucking somebody over, or getting screwed, or sucking cock, or some sort of rape or sodomy dealio, or something, i dunno... or i could just be totally outa my head here, know-what-i-mean?????????????????????? ~~~~~ now, as to spilling blood in times of war... so, has anyone read mark twain's scathing little book _the war prayer_ lately?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: HagbardCeline]
#3373859 - 11/17/04 11:51 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shot that killed girl, 8
One year on family still awaits proper investigation
Nearly a year after Hanan Saleh Matrud's death, her family have accrued a small pile of documents that tell of a young girl's life hardly lived.
There is a framed portrait of the eight-year-old, her last school report card, her death certificate and finally the letter in English from B Company of the 1st Battalion of the King's Regiment that does not apologise for her death last August but accepts "as a possibility" that she may have been shot by a British soldier.
The letter, stamped October 12, is the last formal notice the family received of the investigation into Hanan's death. No charges have been announced, no court case begun.
Hanan's case is one of several highlighted in an Amnesty International report published today which accuses soldiers of the "unlawful" killings of civilians and administrative flaws in the way the incidents have been investigated.
Hanan's relatives live in a small compound of single- storey brick houses in Qarmat Ali, a slum neighbourhood on the northern outskirts of Basra. Open sewage runs through the alleyways between the houses and boys play in dirt green water by an ageing oil pipeline.
On August 21 last year Hanan was playing with other children in the narrow alley by her house. A unit of British soldiers from B "Champion" Company of the 1st Battalion the King's Regiment pulled up on the dirt road about 50 metres away at the end of the alley.
"They stopped at the end of the alley and they started giving chocolates to the children," her father, Saleh Matrud, a taxi driver, told the Guardian yesterday. "My child started to go towards the other children. But she is shy and she was afraid to go forwards so she stopped by a metal gate. At that moment a bullet came from the British and hit her in the stomach," he said. In fact, the bullet knocked his eldest child to the floor and sliced open her abdomen causing her intestines to spill out.
Her uncle, Faleh, ran out and picked up his niece's body. "I lifted her in my hands and took her towards the British," he said.
He said an officer he named as "Major Gary" took the child from him and placed her in the back of what Faleh called a "small tank". (According to the British military it was a Warrior armoured person nel carrier.) The Warrior drove Hanan and her uncle to a hospital near a Czech military base.
Despite undergoing a six-hour operation she died the following day, said Faleh. "At the time I felt anger and hatred towards the British but now that hatred has increased more and more."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1214030,00.html
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: ]
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such is war.
That's kind of why everyone with half a brain told Bush it was fucking stupid to launch an illegal war and unleash this kind of havoc on the basis of ludicrous falsehoods such as WMD.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: st0nedphucker]
#3374285 - 11/17/04 01:33 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
st0nedphucker said:
As for arab7.com I can't read Arabic...
That's your problem, not mine.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: HagbardCeline]
#3374295 - 11/17/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The children are just lying on the street while the marines just chillax.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3374301 - 11/17/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The picture depicts the marines protect as the children of Iraq sleep.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Stein]
#3374329 - 11/17/04 01:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a long shot.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375680 - 11/17/04 05:53 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The war is perfectly legal and moral. Saddam Hussein violated UN resolutions for 12 years. It was time to take him out.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Great_Satan]
#3375701 - 11/17/04 05:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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hahahah
reminds me of something shroomism said about the US "Look here Saddam! We KNOW you have those weapons - we sold them to you - now wheres the rest of them???"
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Great_Satan]
#3375707 - 11/17/04 05:57 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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And the mujahideen will take the U.S. out.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Great_Satan]
#3375713 - 11/17/04 05:58 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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No war is moral unless it is confined to willing participants, one side may be said to be acting morally if they adhere to this.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375718 - 11/17/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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NOT ONE OF THOSE PICTURES SHOWS A CHILD WHO WAS SHOT. Not one. All child injuries were due to shellings and shrapnel. Am I saying this is right? How many weeks were warnings giving that Fallujah was to be taken? 3 or 4 I believe. The city is nearly deserted now, although few stayed, it would not be unfair to assume this child was in some way related to those trying to hold the city, in my opinion making this the parents falt. Unfair for the child? VERY. But, parental neglect happens in America too. Just recently in Wa. a mother left her two infants to starve in thier crib while she was home. Dr. Les Roberts who states he thinks 100,000 or more civilians have been killed is grosely overestimating. On that same page here are some other estimates: Iraq Body Count: 14-16,000 Brookings Inst: 10-27,000 UK foreign secretary: >10,000 People's Kifah >37,000 Lancet: >100,000 A little out there don't you believe? Did you see the pictures of Americans tending to wounded insurgents? You people disgust me. Your propaganda spreading shound not even hold a valid argument. Edit: About the 8 year old girl who was shot, yeah it is a risk that happens, unfair yes, but thats life. The proof that we are not bloodthirsty or war mongering is in your post. They rushed her to the hospital, were she was giving a 6 hour operation, most likely taking up valuable time from those surgeons, in the end for nothing.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3375757 - 11/17/04 06:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If a terrorist gives Houston a warning, does that mean he can bomb the city? YOU people disgust me.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
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The warning was meant to prevent needless death in time of war. Use logic. The coalition is not there to cause destruction. If a terrorist gives a warning, it shows human life is not his target, buildings must be. The two differ greatly. Use logic. Live in the real world.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
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zahudulallah said: If a terrorist gives Houston a warning, does that mean he can bomb the city?
YOU people disgust me.
Yea sure of course, that is considering a device rests in houston which will in 12 hours blow up the entire planet if it is not destroyed by that terrorist.
Hey, you like making analogies that have nothing to do with what is being discussed; so do i! Lets be friends now because we are so alike.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
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The coalition is not there to cause destruction.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: d33p]
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I'd rather smack you with the olive branch instead.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
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Actually, the U.S. wanted all the males to stay in Fallujah.
Try again!
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375823 - 11/17/04 06:13 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Non-Muslims will win in the end.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Great_Satan]
#3375828 - 11/17/04 06:13 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not in the afterlife.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375836 - 11/17/04 06:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zahudulallah said: Actually, the U.S. wanted all the males to stay in Fallujah.
Try again!
I've never heard of such a thing.
Certainly the more males dead would mean less insurgency. And they would die.
In Vietnam we learneed the hard way that insurgents can come out of the woodwork, we clear fallujah, 3 weeks later another 500 fueled by backward thinking, will seek to destroy another tank.
Not once have I said I agreed with this war, but it is not in my control.
since when did this become a penis dancing competion?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375842 - 11/17/04 06:16 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zahudulallah said: I'd rather smack you with the olive branch instead.
[best whiny voice] But thats not nice, think of my innocent head! You hateful voilence mongerer! [/best whiny voice] Little hypocritcal if I do say so.
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zahudulallah said: Not in the afterlife.
Oh jesus thats rich. Wait are you seroius? If not, your in for a rude awakening.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375852 - 11/17/04 06:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zahudulallah said: Not in the afterlife.
Muslims will all go to hell if it exists.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3375855 - 11/17/04 06:18 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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After life doesn't exactly mean pearly white gates. The afterlife is unity with God.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Great_Satan]
#3375861 - 11/17/04 06:19 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aw, even the women and children?
For a puppet you're really annoying.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375864 - 11/17/04 06:20 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mumammed was the messenger of the Devil.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375868 - 11/17/04 06:21 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once again religion pushing backwards thinking! Have fun rotting in the earth, unity with a casket is all you, me or anyone else will get! Unless an extremist cuts off your head and throws you in the street. Unity with a nice dusty road. Edit: Satan, you really should be banned, hate for any religion that pushes peace is just wrong. Real practicing Muslims are good, peaceful people. As wrong as religion in my opinion, when people aren't driven to radical things, or try to press it on others, it helps people cope with life, and lets them have a base in thier lives. Sad in my opinion. Why is he a puppet and your not?
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zahudulallah
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3375886 - 11/17/04 06:27 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's fine. You won't become worm food. You're going to become wurm food.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375907 - 11/17/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zahudulallah said: That's fine. You won't become worm food. You're going to become wurm food.
Little to deep for me, care to explain.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3375915 - 11/17/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That was I typo. What I ment to say is that you will burn eternally in Hell.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375921 - 11/17/04 06:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: silversoul7]
#3375924 - 11/17/04 06:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a funny picture. You are cute, ss7.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375935 - 11/17/04 06:38 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, you're starting to freak me out.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: silversoul7]
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: silversoul7]
#3375977 - 11/17/04 06:49 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I liked it when you had your hair long.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3375990 - 11/17/04 06:52 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Question:
Do you still believe the world is square?
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zahudulallah
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3376000 - 11/17/04 06:55 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The world is "sphere like, permitting cycle" as the Quran says.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3376013 - 11/17/04 06:58 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm glad to see your so loyal to a religion that has caused so much blood to be shed, matter of fact I can see the you and allah uniting now.....
Not saying no other religions have split blood....
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3376024 - 11/17/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uh-huck.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3376049 - 11/17/04 07:09 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me play the devils advocate and say that the evil US is guilty of purposefully killing innocent women and children. Do they at least get credit for not making them beg for thier lives on video tape for weeks and then slowly have thier throats cut as they plead for mercy...then broadcast that video to the world in thier self-satisfaction? No, you see the US debating whether it is ok or not for a marine, one of thier own, to kill an ENEMY COMBATANT. These arguments sicken me and I hate the fact that you make me stand up for a war that i dont even support.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Catalysis]
#3376054 - 11/17/04 07:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: Let me play the devils advocate and say that the evil US is guilty of purposefully killing innocent women and children. Do they at least get credit for not making them beg for thier lives on video tape for weeks and then slowly have thier throats cut as they plead for mercy...then broadcast that video to the world in thier self-satisfaction? No, you see the US debating whether it is ok or not for a marine, one of thier own, to kill an ENEMY COMBATANT. These arguments sicken me and I hate the fact that you make me stand up for a war that i dont even support.
Feel the same exact way.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Ancalagon]
#3376153 - 11/17/04 07:38 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zahudulallah, I just read up on the Muslim believe off afterlife and it says that when they die they believe they goto the grave, while waiting for judgement day. Nothing about unity with god.
Maybe you don't know it as well as I believed or maybe this is your own twist on the religion, not that it matters anyways.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3376336 - 11/17/04 08:14 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man, some people still don't get that there is a difference between deliberate acts of terrorism (hacking off innocent hostages heads or disembowling a women with a knife) and people accidentally killed in war. Well, as Jonathan Swift said, "You can't reason a man out of something he was never reasoned into in the first place."
It looks like Zahid was not really that much of a puppet at all.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3376860 - 11/17/04 10:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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all i know, is that you have to be a sick fuck to cut off anything from a human........ lets make love, not war
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3377206 - 11/17/04 11:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man, some people still don't get that there is a difference between deliberate acts of terrorism (hacking off innocent hostages heads or disembowling a women with a knife) and people accidentally killed in war.
Yeah, I suppose the biggest difference is there've been a handful of heads hacked off compared to 100,000 innocents "accidentally" slaughtered.
BTW, do you really call dropping bombs on people "accidental"?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: lilbil]
#3377382 - 11/18/04 12:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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lilbil said: all i know, is that you have to be a sick fuck to cut off anything from a human........ lets make love, not war
But war gets us re-elected.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Catalysis]
#3377520 - 11/18/04 01:59 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter how certain insurgents take out their anger. The leadership of the resistance, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, said he wanted Hassan to be released but the organized resistance did not have her. Some other insurgents had her, who had no connection to the Iraqi Resistance. As long as the U.S. is killing Muslims, Muslims will take up arms against the United States. Just beause 20 or so people have been beheaded doesn't mean the resistance has to put down their arms while thousands of Muslims have been killed.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3378067 - 11/18/04 06:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3378114 - 11/18/04 07:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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YOU people disgust me.

Just think how effective this comment would of been if we gave a shit about your opinion.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Innvertigo]
#3378525 - 11/18/04 08:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Innvertigo said: Quote:
YOU people disgust me.

Just think how effective this comment would of been if we gave a shit about your opinion.
It probably still wouldnt have made a difference. Everyone on here is so close minded about things. Its one way. Very few people admit when they have made a mistake or are wrong. If you are wrong in politics, its a conspiracy.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: AaronEvil]
#3378608 - 11/18/04 09:15 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you are wrong in politics, its a conspiracy.
No, when loopy people make loopy claims based off of loopy evidence from loopy people who write loopy web pages the loopy people in question are just loopy conspiracy nutz.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Innvertigo]
#3379670 - 11/18/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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and hey! YOU, whoever you are, get to define whatever the fuck you want as loopy, awesome system huh
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: vampirism]
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I love it.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: CJay]
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there was no Freudian slip - The US is the nation involved that has a code of honour and has signed treaties that outline "war crimes" and unacceptable behaviour. The US military is legally bound to uphold these agreements, and so is every soldier they sign up.
Just a little aside, but a lot of them probably don't pertain to Iraq. A lot of those types of treaties are only valid when involving signing parties.. the original Geneva conventions were back around the turn of the last century, before there was an Iraq. What that means is basically we could go in if we wanted, and rather than use non-expanding FMJ bullets, we could use hunting rounds or fragmentary varmint-hunting rounds.. things like that.. because they weren't part of the agreement. funky stuff.
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There are plenty of examples of the US brutally killing groups of children playing, families cowering in fear in their homes, shooting people in cold blood, torturing prisoners etc etc.
I'm so sick of this. First of all -- let's see an example. I'm sure I would have heard of it if it existed, the american media isn't exactly behind this war.
oh and PS? Torturing prisoners? You understand that american police officers have committed far more extreme atrocities against american citizens than ANYTHING that went down at Abu Lawnchair? Remember that guy in NYC who got SODOMIZED WITH A TOILET PLUNGER. quite a bit more painful than a 1/4" diameter glow stick. I shit bigger than that. oh no.. how degrading.. boy howdy I feel bad. wait that was a fart.
yeah that's right. ohnoes the iraqis were all naked, how friggin horrible. that's totally equatable to being TORTURED AND DECAPITATED.
please.
Ok and also? No links about blowing up weddings. If you're out in the middle of bumfuck and all of a sudden you hear a bunch of enemy gunfire (and AK gunfire sounds very different than m-16 gunfire), you're going to assume it's aimed at you. How many of those weddings had party guests shooting up in the air?
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Also that one's cute. Falluja eh? I wouldn't call those dead women and children the fault of the American's. I think it's pretty obvious now that we're inside the city that it was being used as a base of operations for kidnappings, torturings and murder, and bombings. But you're right. We should have let them continue and probably brought in convoys of food. Let's make sure the murderous madmen are comfy mkay?
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from the british. that were giving other children candy. maybe it's just me but don't you get the feeling there's some wool being pulled here, sort of in your eye-region. I think there would have been a quote from the children standing right next to the british saying "Yes I saw the dopey short one shoot!" if this story was to have any amount of believability. It's just as likely that the bullet came from an islamic extremist determined to make things look bad for the Coalition. They've done it before.. remember that boy that was "shot by Israelis"? I know there were dozens of threads here about it -- well turns out, once it was actually looked into, the angles and everything.. he was shot by his own people.
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If a terrorist gives Houston a warning, does that mean he can bomb the city?
First of all that analogy is invalid, as Houston is not a hotbed for kidnapping, torturing and killing foreigners all whilst video taping your atrocities. Secondly, giving warning before blowing something up is not what terrorists do. Their whole bag is killing as many non-participants as possible.
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Actually, the U.S. wanted all the males to stay in Fallujah.
The day before we blew it to hell and back? I bet so. It's been MONTHS now we've had a problem with Fallujah and it is NOT a far stretch to believe that any men still inside the city are either insurgants or sympathizers who may have information, but most likely being the former.
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The leadership of the resistance, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi,
Riiiiiight.
Didn't Arafat say he wasn't stealing the money given to aid the Palestinians? But hey.. I'm sure it's all baseless accusations and all. I'm sure he didn't do any such thing, and that he's got other reasonable reasons for having so much money hidden in shadow accounts all over the place.
Oh yes Zahud, btw, I'm glad to see you idolize such an opportunistic self-centered and callous individual. What with the stealing from what was intended to help the very serious plight of his own people to line his already-thick pockets and all, I'm sure he's chilling with allah as we speak, by the pool, enjoying a pina colada. What a virtuous life he led, after all.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Mushmonkey]
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yeah that's right. ohnoes the iraqis were all naked, how friggin horrible. that's totally equatable to being TORTURED AND DECAPITATED.
Oh so the US is excused because the hostage takers etc are worse...nice logic.
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just as likely that the bullet came from an islamic extremist determined to make things look bad for the Coalition.
Are you for real? Your a joker right? Way to twist those facts to fit your highly twisted little mind!
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: GazzBut]
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yeah that's right. ohnoes the iraqis were all naked, how friggin horrible. that's totally equatable to being TORTURED AND DECAPITATED.
Oh so the US is excused because the hostage takers etc are worse...nice logic. His point was that the two were not equatable, which you would have realized if you had any reading comprehension skills. Look at the god damn quote you cited from him. Of course, i believe in torture especially the types(most, probably not all) being administered at abu ghraib so whatever. Quote:
just as likely that the bullet came from an islamic extremist determined to make things look bad for the Coalition.
Are you for real? Your a joker right? Way to twist those facts to fit your highly twisted little mind!
Now just why would the Brits disembowel a small girl who they were going to give chocolate to. It is a fact that the insurgents have begun to concentrate the majority of their efforts on soft targets. Although mush's claim is a bit of stretch its possible. In fact based on the case mush cited it seems that there is an equal chance of which side shot her. It was either an accident by the brits which to me at that location seems unlikely or it was insurgents trying to make the brits looks Bad which seems plausible. But as there is not enough evidence none of us can determine who did so it is fruitless to continuing debating about it. Also i would be surprised if a 5.56 FMJ round would be able to blow open a hole big enough to have her intestines spill out. Also you must remember the story describes the child as facing the Brits. The only even remotely possible way her intestines could have spilled out would have been if she was shot in the back and a large exit wound was created on her front abdomen. Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: d33p]
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His point was that the two were not equatable, which you would have realized if you had any reading comprehension skills
If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have realised his point is that being tortured with dogs and beaten to death is not that much "better" than having your head cut off. In fact in terms of pain I imagine being decapitated is a swifter death than being kicked and punched to death.
Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
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You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies.
How dare he try to use your SOP.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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"If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have realised his point is that being tortured with dogs and beaten to death is not that much "better" than having your head cut off. In fact in terms of pain I imagine being decapitated is a swifter death than being kicked and punched to death. "
Actually, no, my point was that being stripped naked and laughed at, and even having a glowstick shoved up your ass, is in no way equatable with being tortured and beheaded to produce some video to be released to show how much of a HARDCORE UBER MUSLIM you are.
Being uncomfortable, embarrassed, and a bit violated usually isn't fatal I've found. Fuck, high school atheletes have gone through more severe treatment just in the name of hazing.
Being alive > being dead
"Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies. "
That's funny because neither do you, and neither does anyone else except whoever it was that shot that girl. You haven't got the faintest clue it WAS the British who shot her -- and yes, her stomach would NOT have been ripped open if she was facing towards them and was shot by them. That very fact tends to make me thing she was shot from the side or back. It HAS HAPPENED between the Israelis and Palestinians that the Palestinians have suffered a casualty of very young age, blamed it on the Israelis, and then later it was looked into and turns out -- there was no way the Israelis could have done it as the fatal gunfire game from the same direction as the mass of Palestinians. Intentional or not is debatable, they still took it to the worldwide media and blamed the wrong people. It's entirely possible that this whole story about this young girl is similar. She may have been shot by the British (though it sounds very unlikely and improbable to me)..
Something else to suck on, though. I happen to know one side of this conflict revels in killing innocents to capture headlines. Can you guess the answer?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Mushmonkey]
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Uhhhhhhhh. Hmmmmmmmmm. Is it Canada?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
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Alex123 said: His point was that the two were not equatable, which you would have realized if you had any reading comprehension skills
If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have realised his point is that being tortured with dogs and beaten to death is not that much "better" than having your head cut off. In fact in terms of pain I imagine being decapitated is a swifter death than being kicked and punched to death.
Wow i clearly explained what he meant and still you could not pick it up. Thanks for clearing up what you meant mush and backing me up. Serriously alex im worried about how bad your reading comprehension skills are they are literary attrocious.
Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies.
If you had read my post you would have seen this is exactly what i said. Although, does that change the multiplitude of points i made concerning her death. Heck, i feel many of the points i made seem vaild in examining the case. And i find it funny that you quoted the part where i was asking questions to evidence your claim of me making baseless assertions about the incident. Oh, alex.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Mushmonkey]
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Being uncomfortable, embarrassed, and a bit violated usually isn't fatal I've found You are aware that there are photos of iraqis beaten to death in Abu Grahb? You haven't got the faintest clue it WAS the British who shot her Except the british don't seem to be denying it too hard. yes, her stomach would NOT have been ripped open if she was facing towards them and was shot by them. And if she was stood at an angle? Something else to suck on, though. I happen to know one side of this conflict revels in killing innocents to capture headlines. But which side has killed by far the most civilians?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: HagbardCeline]
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FALLUJAH, Iraq (AFP) - The body of a blonde-haired woman with her legs and arms cut off and throat slit was found lying on the street in Fallujah, a notorious enclave for hostage-takers, marines said.
"It is definitely a Caucasian woman with long blonde hair," said a military official, who cut open a cover that had been over the corpse.
The gruesome discovery was made as the marines moved through the south of Fallujah, hunting out the remaining die-hard rebels after a week of fierce fighting to regain control of the city.
"It is a female... missing all four appendages, with a slashed throat and disembowled, she has been dead for a while but only in this location for a day or two," said Benjamin Finnell, a hospital apprentice with the Navy Corps, who had inspected the body.
An AFP photographer embedded with the marines said the woman was wearing a blue dress and her face was completely disfigured.
The marines said she appeared to have been on the street for about two days.
Sweeps of rubble-strewn neighbourhoods in Fallujah have already uncovered a grisly underworld of hostage slaughterhouses, prisons and torture chambers as well as the corpses of Iraqis who had been executed, marines say.
Surviving hostages have also been found, but only one has been a foreigner -- a Syrian driver who was abducted with two French journalists in August.
Two foreign women have been abducted in Iraq (news - web sites) and remain missing.
One, Teresa Borcz, 54, a Pole, has blonde hair, the other, British aid worker Margaret Hassan, 59, has chestnut-coloured hair.
Borcz, married to an Iraqi and a resident in Iraq for 30 years, was abducted late last month. She has appeared in two video cassettes appealing to the Polish government to help her but her fate is unknown.
Hassan, the Iraqi head of relief agency CARE International, was kidnapped on her way to work in Baghdad on October 19 and has appeared in three videos.
She also holds Iraqi citizenship after marrying an Iraq and is a long-term resident of the country.
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Apparently they draw the line at cutting off womens heads. In which order do you believe they carried out these atrocities? Let's hope they slit her throat first.
i hate that the few westerners that die are so much more of a issue then the thousands we brutally kill and dismember
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: AhronZombi]
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i hate that the few westerners that die are so much more of a issue then the thousands we brutally kill and dismember
Must be that "anti-Bush media" pinkie is always droning on about
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: HagbardCeline]
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"FALLUJAH, Iraq (AFP) - The body of a blonde-haired woman with her legs and arms cut off and throat slit was found lying on the street in Fallujah" i could find you hundreds of incidents of brutal child rape/murder, human disembowlings and torture all right in america. there are 36 cold blooded homicides a year in the sleepy canadian city of winnipeg, manitoba. maybe we should bomb the shit out of... everything. you know to prevent this horrible stuff happening again. also, no matter how terrible this shit is, it really isnt any thing wieghed against the death of more than 13 THOUSAND iraqi civilians
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
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their is no libral media. its a nazi media of lies
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
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Alex123 said:You are aware that there are photos of iraqis beaten to death in Abu Grahb?
Where?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
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we have a nazi army of course they beat and torture other races and creeds, why is this so unbeleiveable
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3401580 - 11/24/04 12:23 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where?
Do a search on google.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
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Alex123 said: Where?
Do a search on google.
In other words, you can't provide back-up for your claim.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
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Since you obviously can't follow along....
Alex123 said:You are aware that there are photos of iraqis beaten to death in Abu Grahb?
Photos poser, photos.
Or were you too lame to even look at the link you posted?
And don't you think PinochhiAl can take care of himself? Or are you so anxious to try to score a point?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#3404380 - 11/24/04 03:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Choke on it. I know how you hate the taste of anyone's medicine.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
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So photos of two morons is proof that someone was beaten to death?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3404398 - 11/24/04 03:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is that the guy they beat to death accidentally and tried to make it look like something else?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#3404405 - 11/24/04 03:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I posted a picture, plus an article. Not to mention deaths at Abu Ghraib were reported in just about every media outlet, from CNN, CBS, to Fox News. Denial isn't just a river in - Ah forget, psychosis already has its cold clammy hand around your throat.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3404421 - 11/24/04 03:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You really are better off putting him on ignore like I did months ago. Let him waste his own time without wasting yours
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3404424 - 11/24/04 03:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why did you edit your post and not mark it as such?
Prove the person the two morons were standing over were beaten to death by anyone in theUS military.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
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Alex123 said: You really are better off putting him on ignore like I did months ago. Let him waste his own time without wasting yours
Sure Al, sure.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Another article: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1083753251203_16?s_name=&no_ads=
You don't need pictures to prove jack shit when the U.S. government announces openly that it's probing prisoner deaths at the hands of U.S. personal. You asking for a direct article on the pictures I posted is just childish and fairly clear that you're clinging onto scraps for the sake of pissing others off. This is a new benighted low on your part. But I'm sure everyone expects as much from you.
Btw, can you prove Saddam gassed his own people while you're at it.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
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You don't need pictures to prove jack shit when the U.S. government announces openly that it's probing prisoner deaths...
Oh so now the US is a reliable source all of the sudden? haha i love it.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Catalysis]
#3405160 - 11/24/04 05:19 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, when they make an admission under the heat of the spot light, it tends to be true. The U.S. obviously has nothing to gain by revealing that American personal tortured some Iraqis to death.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
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So the US lies when you disagree, but is an impeccable source when you agree?
Right.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#3405284 - 11/24/04 05:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please, do find a post where I said the U.S. is lying about something.
Take your time.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
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You can substitute the phrasing of your choice if it gets you hard.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Take your time.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3407980 - 11/25/04 12:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting, luvdem.
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