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Divided_Sky
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: SweetLeaf]
#3376336 - 11/17/04 08:14 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man, some people still don't get that there is a difference between deliberate acts of terrorism (hacking off innocent hostages heads or disembowling a women with a knife) and people accidentally killed in war. Well, as Jonathan Swift said, "You can't reason a man out of something he was never reasoned into in the first place."
It looks like Zahid was not really that much of a puppet at all.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3376860 - 11/17/04 10:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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all i know, is that you have to be a sick fuck to cut off anything from a human........ lets make love, not war
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3377206 - 11/17/04 11:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man, some people still don't get that there is a difference between deliberate acts of terrorism (hacking off innocent hostages heads or disembowling a women with a knife) and people accidentally killed in war.
Yeah, I suppose the biggest difference is there've been a handful of heads hacked off compared to 100,000 innocents "accidentally" slaughtered.
BTW, do you really call dropping bombs on people "accidental"?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: lilbil]
#3377382 - 11/18/04 12:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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lilbil said: all i know, is that you have to be a sick fuck to cut off anything from a human........ lets make love, not war
But war gets us re-elected.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Catalysis]
#3377520 - 11/18/04 01:59 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter how certain insurgents take out their anger. The leadership of the resistance, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, said he wanted Hassan to be released but the organized resistance did not have her. Some other insurgents had her, who had no connection to the Iraqi Resistance. As long as the U.S. is killing Muslims, Muslims will take up arms against the United States. Just beause 20 or so people have been beheaded doesn't mean the resistance has to put down their arms while thousands of Muslims have been killed.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3378067 - 11/18/04 06:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: zahudulallah]
#3378114 - 11/18/04 07:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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YOU people disgust me.

Just think how effective this comment would of been if we gave a shit about your opinion.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Innvertigo]
#3378525 - 11/18/04 08:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Innvertigo said: Quote:
YOU people disgust me.

Just think how effective this comment would of been if we gave a shit about your opinion.
It probably still wouldnt have made a difference. Everyone on here is so close minded about things. Its one way. Very few people admit when they have made a mistake or are wrong. If you are wrong in politics, its a conspiracy.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: AaronEvil]
#3378608 - 11/18/04 09:15 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you are wrong in politics, its a conspiracy.
No, when loopy people make loopy claims based off of loopy evidence from loopy people who write loopy web pages the loopy people in question are just loopy conspiracy nutz.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Innvertigo]
#3379670 - 11/18/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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and hey! YOU, whoever you are, get to define whatever the fuck you want as loopy, awesome system huh
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: vampirism]
#3379704 - 11/18/04 01:45 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love it.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: CJay]
#3388108 - 11/20/04 06:15 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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there was no Freudian slip - The US is the nation involved that has a code of honour and has signed treaties that outline "war crimes" and unacceptable behaviour. The US military is legally bound to uphold these agreements, and so is every soldier they sign up.
Just a little aside, but a lot of them probably don't pertain to Iraq. A lot of those types of treaties are only valid when involving signing parties.. the original Geneva conventions were back around the turn of the last century, before there was an Iraq. What that means is basically we could go in if we wanted, and rather than use non-expanding FMJ bullets, we could use hunting rounds or fragmentary varmint-hunting rounds.. things like that.. because they weren't part of the agreement. funky stuff.
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There are plenty of examples of the US brutally killing groups of children playing, families cowering in fear in their homes, shooting people in cold blood, torturing prisoners etc etc.
I'm so sick of this. First of all -- let's see an example. I'm sure I would have heard of it if it existed, the american media isn't exactly behind this war.
oh and PS? Torturing prisoners? You understand that american police officers have committed far more extreme atrocities against american citizens than ANYTHING that went down at Abu Lawnchair? Remember that guy in NYC who got SODOMIZED WITH A TOILET PLUNGER. quite a bit more painful than a 1/4" diameter glow stick. I shit bigger than that. oh no.. how degrading.. boy howdy I feel bad. wait that was a fart.
yeah that's right. ohnoes the iraqis were all naked, how friggin horrible. that's totally equatable to being TORTURED AND DECAPITATED.
please.
Ok and also? No links about blowing up weddings. If you're out in the middle of bumfuck and all of a sudden you hear a bunch of enemy gunfire (and AK gunfire sounds very different than m-16 gunfire), you're going to assume it's aimed at you. How many of those weddings had party guests shooting up in the air?
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Also that one's cute. Falluja eh? I wouldn't call those dead women and children the fault of the American's. I think it's pretty obvious now that we're inside the city that it was being used as a base of operations for kidnappings, torturings and murder, and bombings. But you're right. We should have let them continue and probably brought in convoys of food. Let's make sure the murderous madmen are comfy mkay?
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"They stopped at the end of the alley and they started giving chocolates to the children," her father, Saleh Matrud, a taxi driver, told the Guardian yesterday. "My child started to go towards the other children. But she is shy and she was afraid to go forwards so she stopped by a metal gate. At that moment a bullet came from the British and hit her in the stomach," he said. In fact, the bullet knocked his eldest child to the floor and sliced open her abdomen causing her intestines to spill out.
from the british. that were giving other children candy. maybe it's just me but don't you get the feeling there's some wool being pulled here, sort of in your eye-region. I think there would have been a quote from the children standing right next to the british saying "Yes I saw the dopey short one shoot!" if this story was to have any amount of believability. It's just as likely that the bullet came from an islamic extremist determined to make things look bad for the Coalition. They've done it before.. remember that boy that was "shot by Israelis"? I know there were dozens of threads here about it -- well turns out, once it was actually looked into, the angles and everything.. he was shot by his own people.
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If a terrorist gives Houston a warning, does that mean he can bomb the city?
First of all that analogy is invalid, as Houston is not a hotbed for kidnapping, torturing and killing foreigners all whilst video taping your atrocities. Secondly, giving warning before blowing something up is not what terrorists do. Their whole bag is killing as many non-participants as possible.
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Actually, the U.S. wanted all the males to stay in Fallujah.
The day before we blew it to hell and back? I bet so. It's been MONTHS now we've had a problem with Fallujah and it is NOT a far stretch to believe that any men still inside the city are either insurgants or sympathizers who may have information, but most likely being the former.
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The leadership of the resistance, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi,
Riiiiiight.
Didn't Arafat say he wasn't stealing the money given to aid the Palestinians? But hey.. I'm sure it's all baseless accusations and all. I'm sure he didn't do any such thing, and that he's got other reasonable reasons for having so much money hidden in shadow accounts all over the place.
Oh yes Zahud, btw, I'm glad to see you idolize such an opportunistic self-centered and callous individual. What with the stealing from what was intended to help the very serious plight of his own people to line his already-thick pockets and all, I'm sure he's chilling with allah as we speak, by the pool, enjoying a pina colada. What a virtuous life he led, after all.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Mushmonkey]
#3388168 - 11/20/04 06:38 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah that's right. ohnoes the iraqis were all naked, how friggin horrible. that's totally equatable to being TORTURED AND DECAPITATED.
Oh so the US is excused because the hostage takers etc are worse...nice logic.
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just as likely that the bullet came from an islamic extremist determined to make things look bad for the Coalition.
Are you for real? Your a joker right? Way to twist those facts to fit your highly twisted little mind!
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: GazzBut]
#3389149 - 11/20/04 12:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah that's right. ohnoes the iraqis were all naked, how friggin horrible. that's totally equatable to being TORTURED AND DECAPITATED.
Oh so the US is excused because the hostage takers etc are worse...nice logic. His point was that the two were not equatable, which you would have realized if you had any reading comprehension skills. Look at the god damn quote you cited from him. Of course, i believe in torture especially the types(most, probably not all) being administered at abu ghraib so whatever. Quote:
just as likely that the bullet came from an islamic extremist determined to make things look bad for the Coalition.
Are you for real? Your a joker right? Way to twist those facts to fit your highly twisted little mind!
Now just why would the Brits disembowel a small girl who they were going to give chocolate to. It is a fact that the insurgents have begun to concentrate the majority of their efforts on soft targets. Although mush's claim is a bit of stretch its possible. In fact based on the case mush cited it seems that there is an equal chance of which side shot her. It was either an accident by the brits which to me at that location seems unlikely or it was insurgents trying to make the brits looks Bad which seems plausible. But as there is not enough evidence none of us can determine who did so it is fruitless to continuing debating about it. Also i would be surprised if a 5.56 FMJ round would be able to blow open a hole big enough to have her intestines spill out. Also you must remember the story describes the child as facing the Brits. The only even remotely possible way her intestines could have spilled out would have been if she was shot in the back and a large exit wound was created on her front abdomen. Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: d33p]
#3391898 - 11/21/04 01:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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His point was that the two were not equatable, which you would have realized if you had any reading comprehension skills
If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have realised his point is that being tortured with dogs and beaten to death is not that much "better" than having your head cut off. In fact in terms of pain I imagine being decapitated is a swifter death than being kicked and punched to death.
Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
#3392271 - 11/21/04 05:17 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies.
How dare he try to use your SOP.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#3392636 - 11/21/04 09:48 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have realised his point is that being tortured with dogs and beaten to death is not that much "better" than having your head cut off. In fact in terms of pain I imagine being decapitated is a swifter death than being kicked and punched to death. "
Actually, no, my point was that being stripped naked and laughed at, and even having a glowstick shoved up your ass, is in no way equatable with being tortured and beheaded to produce some video to be released to show how much of a HARDCORE UBER MUSLIM you are.
Being uncomfortable, embarrassed, and a bit violated usually isn't fatal I've found. Fuck, high school atheletes have gone through more severe treatment just in the name of hazing.
Being alive > being dead
"Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies. "
That's funny because neither do you, and neither does anyone else except whoever it was that shot that girl. You haven't got the faintest clue it WAS the British who shot her -- and yes, her stomach would NOT have been ripped open if she was facing towards them and was shot by them. That very fact tends to make me thing she was shot from the side or back. It HAS HAPPENED between the Israelis and Palestinians that the Palestinians have suffered a casualty of very young age, blamed it on the Israelis, and then later it was looked into and turns out -- there was no way the Israelis could have done it as the fatal gunfire game from the same direction as the mass of Palestinians. Intentional or not is debatable, they still took it to the worldwide media and blamed the wrong people. It's entirely possible that this whole story about this young girl is similar. She may have been shot by the British (though it sounds very unlikely and improbable to me)..
Something else to suck on, though. I happen to know one side of this conflict revels in killing innocents to capture headlines. Can you guess the answer?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Mushmonkey]
#3392640 - 11/21/04 09:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uhhhhhhhh. Hmmmmmmmmm. Is it Canada?
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Xlea321]
#3393126 - 11/21/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alex123 said: His point was that the two were not equatable, which you would have realized if you had any reading comprehension skills
If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have realised his point is that being tortured with dogs and beaten to death is not that much "better" than having your head cut off. In fact in terms of pain I imagine being decapitated is a swifter death than being kicked and punched to death.
Wow i clearly explained what he meant and still you could not pick it up. Thanks for clearing up what you meant mush and backing me up. Serriously alex im worried about how bad your reading comprehension skills are they are literary attrocious.
Did the bullet fly out of ehr and hit the brits considering she was facing them? Now where would the bullet have come from?
You havn't got the faintest clue about the details of this incident and are just blowing it out your ass to suit your fantasies.
If you had read my post you would have seen this is exactly what i said. Although, does that change the multiplitude of points i made concerning her death. Heck, i feel many of the points i made seem vaild in examining the case. And i find it funny that you quoted the part where i was asking questions to evidence your claim of me making baseless assertions about the incident. Oh, alex.
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Re: Another female hostage found murdered - dismembered, disembowled, throat slit [Re: Mushmonkey]
#3396503 - 11/23/04 12:16 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Being uncomfortable, embarrassed, and a bit violated usually isn't fatal I've found You are aware that there are photos of iraqis beaten to death in Abu Grahb? You haven't got the faintest clue it WAS the British who shot her Except the british don't seem to be denying it too hard. yes, her stomach would NOT have been ripped open if she was facing towards them and was shot by them. And if she was stood at an angle? Something else to suck on, though. I happen to know one side of this conflict revels in killing innocents to capture headlines. But which side has killed by far the most civilians?
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