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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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I agree that "debilitating" is a bit extreme to describe circumcision. The fact that most men who have been circumcised at birth are happy about it, points towards it being fairly benign.

That being said, the medical benefits of circumcision are pretty weak. It is really more of a ritual than a legitimate medical procedure.

If I were to have a son I would consider circumcising him just so he didn't feel self-conscious about his genitalia.

I am not circumcised, and I prefer it this way honestly. It reduces the need for lubrication and increases pleasure. If you practice semi-decent hygiene, infection isn't much of a worry. I am at slightly higher risk of catching an STD while having unprotected sex though.

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Memories]
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That being said, the medical benefits of circumcision are pretty weak. It is really more of a ritual than a legitimate medical procedure.


I agree. That is why there is no consensus in the medical community regarding it.

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If I were to have a son I would consider circumcising him just so he didn't feel self-conscious about his genitalia.


I used to be self-concious about being uncircumcised, but then I realized what a stupid thing that is to be self-concious about. I'm definitely glad that I'm uncircumcised.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Visionary Tools said:
Appendixes, gall bladders and tonsils all serve their purpose. Doesn't matter what you think about circumcision. It is child abuse, and it doesn't matter if it's male or female.

FYI, you can still get an infection no matter the state of your cock. By that logic, if I were to cut off your nose, then you wouldn't get a blocked or runny nose.



What the fuck? Im pretty sure what we think does matter...TO YOU it is child abuse.

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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BoldAsLove said:
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That being said, the medical benefits of circumcision are pretty weak. It is really more of a ritual than a legitimate medical procedure.


I agree. That is why there is no consensus in the medical community regarding it.

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If I were to have a son I would consider circumcising him just so he didn't feel self-conscious about his genitalia.


I used to be self-concious about being uncircumcised, but then I realized what a stupid thing that is to be self-concious about. I'm definitely glad that I'm uncircumcised.


well stated. the penis in general is a pretty stupid thing to be self-conscious about. if you are in any way, maybe try and expand your understanding of whats really important in life. dont get me wrong, i love my junk, but with everything ive learned in life, it wouldnt be something i would focus on constantly if it wasnt just how i wanted it.

it is what it is and move on


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ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Mickalopagus]
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You could say the same thing for any insecurity.

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
You could say the same thing for any insecurity.


actually yes you could. its all bullshit and you know it after a while


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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Mickalopagus]
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mick said:
Memories said:
You could say the same thing for any insecurity.


actually yes you could. its all bullshit and you know it after a while


And this is when you become a "man"

Edited by thissongis (07/22/12 12:59 PM)

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Mickalopagus]
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mick said:
I like every aspect of being circumcised, and feel like the procedure has afforded me a very happy and healthy sex life. No debilitating feelings here at all :shrug:


But you don't know the difference.

Non essential medical procedures that result in death and disfigurement are child abuse. I know people want to see it in other ways, but that's why we have people sexually abusing kids and thinking it's ok. And likewise, it's seen as child abuse when done to females. Might as well be balanced about it.

Regarding the religious "right" to circumcise (which is bollocks, frankly, but let's go with it) Circumcising your child is saying god made a mistake.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Visionary Tools said:
mick said:
I like every aspect of being circumcised, and feel like the procedure has afforded me a very happy and healthy sex life. No debilitating feelings here at all :shrug:


But you don't know the difference.

Non essential medical procedures that result in death and disfigurement are child abuse. I know people want to see it in other ways, but that's why we have people sexually abusing kids and thinking it's ok. And likewise, it's seen as child abuse when done to females. Might as well be balanced about it.

Regarding the religious "right" to circumcise (which is bollocks, frankly, but let's go with it) Circumcising your child is saying god made a mistake.


I agree, it should be the same for both men and women, but it's not. The reason being is the cultural aspect. Male circumcision is common place in this culture, and we can argue till the cows come home about whether or not that is "right." Female circumcision, more commonly referred to as female genital mutilation, is not common place in this culture.

To outlaw male circumcision is to ignore the religious/cultural/medical beliefs of a huge portion of the population. Whether or not you agree with these beliefs is irrelevant to the point that they should be allowed to have them. I highly disapprove of you saying it's "bollocks." They probably view your views as bollocks as well.

I disagree with circumcision and I wish it weren't so commonly practiced, but you wish to force your beliefs upon them, while they are doing nothing of the sort. No one is forced to circumcise their children. Why should anyone be forced not to?


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Visionary Tools said:
mick said:
I like every aspect of being circumcised, and feel like the procedure has afforded me a very happy and healthy sex life. No debilitating feelings here at all :shrug:


But you don't know the difference.

Non essential medical procedures that result in death and disfigurement are child abuse. I know people want to see it in other ways, but that's why we have people sexually abusing kids and thinking it's ok. And likewise, it's seen as child abuse when done to females. Might as well be balanced about it.

Regarding the religious "right" to circumcise (which is bollocks, frankly, but let's go with it) Circumcising your child is saying god made a mistake.


Should people be allowed to peirce their babies ears?

Should people be allowed to abort their fetus?

Rhetorical questions, of coarse they should because it's none of your fucking business. Just like circumcision. If you don't like it don't participate in it, but don't try shoving your beliefs down other peoples throats


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Some people dont seem to thinj that children deserve basic human rights...

dont force YOUR circumsion on unconsenting individuals.

children deserve human rights.

Is it right to force circumcision on your teenage child without consent? how about your 40 year old son?

at exacly what age do you think individuals are entitled to basic human rights?


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Do you think children should have the right to demand that they not go to school?  This is one of your more stupid arguments.  It is well recognized that children are not competent to make decisions for themselves.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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It is well recognized that children are not competent to make decisions for themselves.


I disagree. I think many children are competent to make decisions for themselves a long time before turning 18. What is well recognized, is the fact that arbitrarily setting an age of consent is practical for society.

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
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It is well recognized that children are not competent to make decisions for themselves.


I disagree. I think many children are competent to make decisions for themselves a long time before turning 18. What is well recognized, is the fact that arbitrarily setting an age of consent is practical for society.


It is also practical for the children.  What age would you set and how would it be less arbitrary?


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: zappaisgod]
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I would probably make it 18, but leave discipline for things like sex and alcohol up to the parents. There is no way to be less arbitrary though. All decisions are arbitrary.

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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basic human rights and age of consent are different.

you cant just do whatever you want to your child under the age of 18.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
basic human rights and age of consent are different.

you cant just do whatever you want to your child under the age of 18.


No you cannot.  Just what you can do is up for discussion


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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If your young child ASKS to be circumcised, without being coerced, its a bit different.

I can almost gurantee that would never happen though, young children dont sit around thinking about chopping a chunk of their dick off...

thats what sicko adults do.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
basic human rights and age of consent are different.

you cant just do whatever you want to your child under the age of 18.


By legal definition circumcision is not a violation if human rights. On to the next incoherent argument from shins

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Also health professionals.


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