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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Same goes for foot binding.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Same goes for foot binding.


Circumcision and foot binding are two very different things. That's obvious of coarse, but I only bring it up because you keep on comparing them as though they were the same thing

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Should parents be allowed to gauge a babies ears?

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
Shins said:
Same goes for foot binding.


Circumcision and foot binding are two very different things. That's obvious of coarse, but I only bring it up because you keep on comparing them as though they were the same thing


they are not different.

they are both unessecary infant mutilation based on stupid cultural ideals.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Simplicitry said:
Shins said:
Same goes for foot binding.


Circumcision and foot binding are two very different things. That's obvious of coarse, but I only bring it up because you keep on comparing them as though they were the same thing


they are not different.

they are both unessecary infant mutilation based on stupid cultural ideals.


They are very different. One leaves somebody permanently disabled the other does not. That's a big fucking difference

you do realize there are reputable doctors who endorse circumcision don't you? It's not just a religious and cultural fanatics.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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They are very different. One leaves somebody permanently disabled the other does not. That's a big f****** difference



Circumcisions can, and do, go wrong. It is possible to do permanent, serious damage to a child with circumcision.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Memories]
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Memories said:
Should parents be allowed to gauge a babies ears?


I most certainly don't give a shit what anybody does with their offspring. I was raised by people who emphasized that it's important to mind your business.

Funnilyenough I asked Lines, who initiated this thread and is anti circumcision, if she also thought it should be illegal to pierce your baby's ears, or if we should illegalized other  personal choices like a woman's right to an abortion. I suspect her lack of a response means she has hypocritical views on peoples right how to make their own choices

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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BoldAsLove said:
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They are very different. One leaves somebody permanently disabled the other does not. That's a big f****** difference



Circumcisions can, and do, go wrong. It is possible to do permanent, serious damage to a child with circumcision.


it is possible to do serious damage to a child by putting them in a car to take them to ice cream. What's your point?

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
BoldAsLove said:
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They are very different. One leaves somebody permanently disabled the other does not. That's a big f****** difference



Circumcisions can, and do, go wrong. It is possible to do permanent, serious damage to a child with circumcision.


it is possible to do serious damage to a child by putting them in a car to take them to ice cream. What's your point?


My point was to show that circumcisions can also leave a child with serious damage and that it is an unnecessary and silly risk IMO.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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BoldAsLove said:
Simplicitry said:
BoldAsLove said:
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They are very different. One leaves somebody permanently disabled the other does not. That's a big f****** difference



Circumcisions can, and do, go wrong. It is possible to do permanent, serious damage to a child with circumcision.


it is possible to do serious damage to a child by putting them in a car to take them to ice cream. What's your point?


My point was to show that circumcisions can also leave a child with serious damage and that it is an unnecessary and silly risk IMO.


You do realize there are reputable doctors who endorse circumcision don't you? It's not just a religious and cultural fanatics

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Did I ever claim otherwise? You do realize there are reputable doctors who endorse leaving a child uncircumcised, right?


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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BoldAsLove said:
Did I ever claim otherwise? You do realize there are reputable doctors who endorse leaving a child uncircumcised, right?


I do know that. And I've personally decided not to circumcise my sons. I just don't want to force it that decision on other people because I'm not a tyrant

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Simplicitry]
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Whoa there, I never said I supported circumcision being illegal, I don't at this time because it as an important cultural thing for many people. I certainly hope that changes and the practice disappears over time, but for the time being, making it illegal would be to ignore the desires of a huge portion of the population.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Circumcisions can, and do, go wrong. It is possible to do permanent, serious damage to a child with circumcision.


Just like vaccinations, childbirth, sleeping, strapping them into a car seat, sending them to school, giving them a bite of a hot dog, etc. can "do permanent, serious damage."  As in, all of those can lead to death.

It makes your dick easier to clean, you're less likely to contract/pass on STDs, and for most girls I've been with (a lot), circumcised is preferred aesthetically.

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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
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4-AcO-MET said:
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Circumcisions can, and do, go wrong. It is possible to do permanent, serious damage to a child with circumcision.


Just like vaccinations, childbirth, sleeping, strapping them into a car seat, sending them to school, giving them a bite of a hot dog, etc. can "do permanent, serious damage."  As in, all of those can lead to death.

It makes your dick easier to clean, you're less likely to contract/pass on STDs, and for most girls I've been with (a lot), circumcised is preferred aesthetically.


You know why there isn't a consensus in the medical community on circumcision? It's because there really isn't much difference, circumcised or not. An uncircumcised penis is easy to clean. A circumcised penis is also able to pick up STDs. Any girl that doesn't want to be with a guy because he's uncircumcised isn't worth the guy's time and can go take a flying a fuck.

I was saying that the risks of having a circumcision are inherently greater than pretty much everything on your list, and doesn't offer a significant upside, such as disease immunity or an education. Therefore, IMO, circumcising a child is just mean to the infant and an unnecessary risk being taken.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Circumcision also removes sensitive parts of the penis and reduces sensation.

it is debilitating like foot binding.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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it is debilitating like foot binding.


No, it is not. Don't set up straw men.

Circumcision does reduce sensation to some degree, but that is hardly debilitating. Foot binding by its very nature is debilitating, barring something going wrong during the procedure, circumcision is not. Comparing foot binding, which often leaves the recipient in constant pain and unable to walk, to circumcision is completely absurd.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Okay foot binding is more debilitating, but circumcision is still debilitating to a degree.


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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I like every aspect of being circumcised, and feel like the procedure has afforded me a very happy and healthy sex life. No debilitating feelings here at all :shrug:


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Re: Male And Female Circumcision [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Okay foot binding is more debilitating, but circumcision is still debilitating to a degree.


Again, barring something going wrong during the procedure, no it isn't. There is nothing debilitating about it. A properly done circumcision reduces sensitivity a little bit, in what way is that debilitating?


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