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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5715958 - 06/05/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It is false that a man would experience almost no sexual pleasure without the head of his penis? Most of the nerve endings are concentrated in the glans, frenulum and prepuce (foreskin), so his penis would not be very erogenous after such an operation. Are you referring to stimulation of the prostate?



I'm referring to the fact that I am circumsized, and am perfectly capable of experiencing sexual pleasure.




You should ask grown men who had their foreskin removed when they were adults. LOL. A lot of men are actually filing lawsuits because they were circumcized at birth.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: downforpot]
    #5715963 - 06/05/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Whatever.  I like my penis just the way it is.  :shrug:


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5715997 - 06/05/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If any1 puts a scalpel to my dick, I will kill them and their entire family.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: demiu5]
    #5716220 - 06/05/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I never even knew couples/mothers/whatever had the clitoris etc. removed from their daughters at birth.

What's the point of removal?



I believe it has to do in part with removing sexual temptation from the female who is being mutilated. Basically if you remove sin from the woman, you make her virtuous. Sexual longing is considered sinful in many cultures.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5716530 - 06/05/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for answering my question.

I knew that some cultures did not believe women should have pleasure from sex, but I did not know they went as far as to remove the sensitive organ(s).


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Veritas]
    #5717575 - 06/06/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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There is quite a bit of evidence that male circumcision reduces sexual pleasure, but it certainly does not eliminate it.





And there is evidence that says the exact opposite. In all, reading and believing studies about something as dubious and unmeasurable as sexual pleasure is really nothing more than a masturbating your belief system akin to something, like, I don't know:

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I think it is a barbaric practice




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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5717887 - 06/06/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Any form of forced circumcision...male or female...IMO, is wrong.

For some to get on their stump, and rant about one and not the other, is ignorance.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: demiu5]
    #5718297 - 06/06/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I knew that some cultures did not believe women should have pleasure from sex,




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but I did not know they went as far as to remove the sensitive organ(s).




Hhm.. if women should not have pleasure from sex, then perhaps they would not have sensitive organs in the first place. :lol: You really have to admire religious belief. :lol:

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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5718670 - 06/06/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There is evidence that removing a man's foreskin, and thereby eliminating a nerve-rich portion of his anatomy, plus exposing his glans to constant contact with his clothing, increases his potential for sexual pleasure??

:lol:

Pleasure may be difficult to measure with any precision, but it is a no-brainer that the glans would lose some sensitivity when the protective foreskin is removed in infancy.  Additionally, some circumcision surgeries will remove the sensitive frenulum along with the foreskin.

Circumcision, whether the accepted "hygienic" removal of an infant boy's foreskin, or the controversial mutilation of a girl's entire external genitalia, is unnecessary, abusive, and barbaric.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Veritas]
    #5719374 - 06/06/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Doctors in America are currently phasing out circumcision.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: downforpot]
    #5720030 - 06/06/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There has been a slow decline in the circumcision rate, but I would not call that "phasing out."  It has officially been defined as "non-therapeutic" since 1999, but more than 60% of American boys still have their foreskins cut off.  :thumbdown:

http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/

Only the West Coast has a circumcision rate below 50%...this is absurdly high for non-therapeutic genital surgery.  What are people thinking???


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Veritas]
    #5720602 - 06/06/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What are people thinking???

In a nutshell, they're thinking God wants this done and watches to make sure. :thumbdown:


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Diploid]
    #5721961 - 06/07/06 04:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> In a nutshell, they're thinking God wants this done and watches to make sure.

And I thought the guy next door was a pervert... sheesh!


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Seuss]
    #5721998 - 06/07/06 05:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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> In a nutshell, they're thinking God wants this done and watches to make sure.

And I thought the guy next door was a pervert... sheesh!



Apparently god is the ultimate voyeur. :eek:


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Veritas]
    #5725843 - 06/08/06 05:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I hate quoting wikipedia, but:

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The American Academy of Pediatrics states "a survey of adult males using self-report suggests more varied sexual practice and less sexual dysfunction in circumcised adult men. There are anecdotal reports that penile sensation and sexual satisfaction are decreased for circumcised males."[93] The American Academy of Family Physicians states "no valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction."




So slimjim, how do you respond to something as simple and surface as wikipedia offering conflicting evidence? You know as well as I do that sexual pleasure is far more than just nerve endings or I will suggest you have a whole line of very unsatisfied female partners behind you.

And how much, percentage-wise, of nerves does the foreskin compose? Give me a valid, peer-supported study that tells me that something more than like .0025% of the nerves that compose the penis are part of the foreskin. In all, what does .0025% (my guesstimation, please show me otherwise) matter when sexual pleasure is concerned?


Tell your kids, tell yourself, whatever you want. I don't care if you circumcise them or not. If it works for you, great. To me, personally, it is negligible. Who cares? It is not my matter. But don't ejaculate your assumptions all over this message board without relevant data to back it up.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: downforpot]
    #5726543 - 06/08/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Doctors in America are currently phasing out circumcision.




False.

Many people who arent circumcized are doing so later in life now actually. Ill try to find the report as it also interviews people who have gone through a circumcision as an adult most agree that there is no noticeable difference in sexual pleasure and that the benefits are overall favorable...

This means nothing without the article though, ill see what I can find...


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5726630 - 06/08/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The AAP's position on circumcision is based upon non-scientific data.  Laumann did not conduct an anatomical study of the foreskin, he handed out a survey to a thousand men.  Self-reports are statistically interesting, but not conclusive.  Please review the following:

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Depending on the amount of skin cut off, circumcision robs a male of as much as 80 percent or more of his penile skin. Depending on the foreskin's length, cutting it off makes the penis as much as 25 percent or more shorter.

Careful anatomical investigations have shown that circumcision cuts off more than 3 feet of veins, arteries, and capillaries, 240 feet of nerves, and more than 20,000 nerve endings. The foreskin's muscles, glands, mucous membrane, and epithelial tissue are destroyed, as well.

Circumcision desensitizes: Circumcision desensitizes the penis radically. Foreskin amputation means severing the rich nerve network and all the nerve receptors in the foreskin itself. Circumcision almost always damages or destroys the frenulum.

The loss of the protective foreskin desensitizes the glans. Because the membrane covering the permanently externalized glans is now subjected to constant abrasion and irritation, it keratinizes, becoming dry and tough. The nerve endings in the glans, which in the intact penis are just beneath the surface of the mucous membrane, are now buried by successive layers of keratinization. The denuded glans takes on a dull, grayish, sclerotic appearance.




http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/fleiss.html

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The prepuce is usually tethered at the bottom by the frenulum. The frenulum's function is to provide pleasure by stretching during sexual intercourse. In fact, the frenulum is coloquially known as the "sex nerve" in France and perhaps throughout Europe.

By destroying this stretching action, circumcision completely destroys this fundamental means of sexual pleasure in the human male. Taylor hypothesizes that stretching of the frenulum during coitus is provides a stimulus for ejaculation.




http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/

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The prepuce is profusely innervated especially near the tip in the ridged band area where the mucocutaneous boundary occurs. It is now understood that this junction is the most sensitive and erogenous part of the penis.

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Taylor's  ridged band is located near the tip of the prepuce on the inner layer of the foreskin near the muco-cutanaeous boundary. The ridged band merges smoothly with the frenulum.  Taylor states that the ridged band is sensitive to motion. The foreskin slides back and forth over the glans during foreplay and intercourse.30  Typically, the ridged band area of the prepuce is stretched when it passes over the glans penis and, by this stretching action, the multitude of pleasure sensors in Taylor's ridged band are stimulated.

The ridged band area, which is stimulated by motion, is the most highly innervated and pleasure producing region of the prepuce. They clearly have an important, but not yet well understood, function in human sexual response. Cold and Taylor (1999) confirmed the structure and innervation of the prepuce, and explained its importance in more detail.

In comparison to the prepuce, the glans penis is much less innervated and sensitive. The corona (rim) is the most highly innervated part of the glans penis. Stimulation of the coronal area of the glans penis may trigger ejaculation. The prepuce of the typical complete male may protect the corona from direct stimulation during intercourse and so tends to prevent premature and unwanted ejaculation.

Winkelmann states, "It is apparent in our material that all the bodies [nerve endings] present have coiled or serpentine form ... Such a form lends itself admirably to the perception of changes in pressure and tension in the tissue, as the coils are oriented in three dimensions."

The prepuce of the human male is an elastic platform for the nerve endings composed of muscle fibers embedded within the skin, so the whole prepuce may be regarded as the principal organ for perceiving the sixth sense of erogeny.




http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/

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From the Cold and Taylor study published the same year as the AAP statement you quoted from Wikipedia.

The prepuce provides a large and important platform for several nerves and nerve endings. The innervation of the outer skin of the prepuce is impressive; its sensitivity to light touch and pain are similar to that of the skin of the penis as a whole. The glans, by contrast, is insensitive to light touch, heat, cold and, as far as the authors are aware, to pin-prick. Le Gros Clark noted that the glans penis is one of the few areas on the body that enjoys nothing beyond primitive sensory modalities.




http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/taylor/

BTW, I am a woman, and do not have a string of unsatisfied female partners. :grin:  I have studied human sexuality, endocrinology, anatomy and psychology, both independently and within University classrooms.

I find it very interesting that many Americans are shocked and appalled at the idea of female circumcision, but still in denial about male circumcision practices in their own country.  Why mutilate the genitalia of any child, male or female?


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Veritas]
    #5729860 - 06/09/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I will humor your non-response for a second...

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Self-reports are statistically interesting, but not conclusive




Of course not. Why do you think self reports are given. Are the researchers blinded by the American cultural oppression you have so easily transcended? Are they trying to justify the genital mutilation that they adore? No. They realize sexual pleasure is far more reliant on the mental state of the subject than a small percentage of nerve endings that have been removed by circumcision. The best way to get results is self reports. They are unreliable, but so is the claim that any particular person has enjoyed sex with their mate. You just have to take their word for it, ya know?


Also, mothers against circumcision is hardly a scientific source. But to humor you:

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Depending on the amount of skin cut off, circumcision robs a male of as much as 80 percent or more of his penile skin. Depending on the foreskin's length, cutting it off makes the penis as much as 25 percent or more shorter.




ummm. that is a heavy claim that I cannot find support for on the internet. Maybe I have shitty research skills......25% shorter! a flat out lie that cannot be backed up. 80% of the penile skin? Wow..Talk about not conclusive.

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buried by successive layers of keratinization




The sexual effect of these layers is never even addressed...only leading word usage (dry, rough?). They effect nerve response, but to what degree? This is never addressed. It is assumed to be large and significant because it exists and is left at that.

I could go on, but that would justify your point for you. Which is that sexual pleasure is nothing more than the firing of nerve endings. I will address one more point of yours which, in summation, is two more than you have done for me:

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The ridged band area, which is stimulated by motion, is the most highly innervated and pleasure producing region of the prepuce.



Here they have conflated innervated and pleasure. Only somebody dryly focusing on the anatomy of sex could make this reaching assumption. So we will go with this assumption and ignore the whole psychological aspect of sex for a second. We will say sex is binary. Stimulus = pleasure. No stimulus = no pleasure. Seems simple, I guess I have made intercourse so much more complicated than it really is. This is the foundation of Taylor's study from my quick reading of it.

one more for fun...

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he prepuce provides a large and important platform for several nerves and nerve endings. The innervation of the outer skin of the prepuce is impressive; its sensitivity to light touch and pain are similar to that of the skin of the penis as a whole.




Ouch. That seems to blow the whole biased study of the prepuce out of the water! So its sensitivity is similar to the skin of the penis as a whole!!!! But don't circumcised men have the rest of their penis that is so similar to Taylor's prepuce? Unless we accept mother's against circumcision's claim that the practice is done by blind men with chainsaws who chop off 80% of the skin and 25% of the entire penis, this seems to make the resulting loss of nerve endings negligible. Which is what I was saying the whole time...


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, so the whole prepuce may be regarded as the principal organ for perceiving the sixth sense of erogeny.




And here we see Taylor going from A to B and than to Z all in a flash. The sixth sense of erogeny!? Nobody would believe this wizardry unless they already were on board with Taylor in the first place.






In all, I admit I have not fully researched Taylor's study. Before you cherry pick my response to it please, please, please, please, respond to my claim that the mental state and psychology of a subject is significantly more important than the handful of nerve endings the foreskin contains, however you wish to quantify them. In that same response, since you have studied psychology (me too!) and anatomy (me too!) at the alter of the university, give me a reason why fetishes exist, why rape is not pleasurable, why massaging the prostate during anal sex results in orgasm, or how orgasm can and does occur without any genital stimulus at all. If you don't respond to these phenomenons this time around (or at least respond to the impact of psychology at all on sexual intercourse) I am done with this discussion because at that point it ceases to be one and it is just me talking to a brick wall. Because what you are claiming is that the anatomy of genitailia is more important than the psychology of the subject reaching orgasm. What you are claiming is that a circumcised male receives 12 pleasure units of satisfaction during sex and a uncircumcised male receives 25 units of pleasure satisfaction during sex as if it were possible to quantify sexual gratification.


Do you realize how impossible it is to back that up? Do you realize how subjective such a thing is?

I'm not arguing for or against male circumcision. Every man to his own. A culture, any culture, is a beautiful thing, even with all its illogic. That is what makes humanity, humanity. Dostoevsky figured this out 150 years ago.


What I'm arguing against is your dubious claim that circumcised males achieve less sexual arousal than uncircumcised males. That is stroking your perception in the face of an uncertain reality. To top all of this; you don't even have a penis, but you speak as if you were some kind of expert on the subject because a few undergradute courses lead you to your belief system.


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #5729893 - 06/09/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A very interesting thread. It amazes me how we accept some things without thought and immediately condemn other things that are not really any different. For example, if a child's parents decided to chop their newborns hands and feet off, the public would go crazy condemning the parents. If the same parents decided to chop part of a newborns genitals off, the public would have no problem.

The big question here is do parents own their children? If they do, then they can lop whatever body parts off that they wish. If they do not, then they have no right to lop off any body part at all. Personally, I think any form of child mutilation is wrong. If a consenting adult wants to mutilate their body, fine, but parents do not have the right to make this decision for their children.

My guess is that very few adults, male or female, would voluntarily choose to have part of their genitals removed. Would you?

(What really blows my mind is that number of adult parents that would not allow their own genitals to be mutilated, but will have it done to their newborns/children without a second thought. It is a messed up world we live in...)


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Re: Forced Female Circumcision's Legacy [Re: Seuss]
    #5730195 - 06/09/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What really blows my mind is that number of adult parents that would not allow their own genitals to be mutilated, but will have it done to their newborns/children without a second thought. It is a messed up world we live in...

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