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Alternative to taxes
    #1617941 - 06/08/03 10:48 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Just wanted to know what you guys think of this idea. What if the government produced some product and sold it to the general population, then used the revenues to fund things like welfare, social security, etc. Would you feel better then, since they wouldn't be "stealing" from you?


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1617964 - 06/08/03 11:05 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Not within the bounds of the constitution.

Plus the government would need to use our money, since every penny it has is ours, to fund such a project.

You want to help freeloaders? Take one home and let them live with you on YOUR money.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1617972 - 06/08/03 11:08 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I know it's hardly likely to happen (in the US anyway), but Cannabis is a huge cash crop, I can't think of anything better that's cheaper or easier to produce.  :smile:


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1617973 - 06/08/03 11:08 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

they should just drop ss and cut welfare


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1617981 - 06/08/03 11:23 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I have helped freeloaders.  Some of my best friends have been freeloaders.  :tongue:  Poor people who actually need welfare to help them get back on their feet are another matter.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1617985 - 06/08/03 11:24 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, that is the best option I've ever heard, why the hell aren't you a politician, I mean some one with a mind for policy change surely should be in charge.




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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1618039 - 06/08/03 11:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Poor people who actually need welfare to help them get back on their feet are another matter.



So take those freeloaders home.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1618059 - 06/08/03 12:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Poor people who actually need welfare to help them get back on their feet are another matter.



So take those freeloaders home.



My parents might object...


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1618065 - 06/08/03 12:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I havn't a problem with welfare for people who're getting back on their feet but there's ppl I know that live off it and have been living off it for a couple years. To me that's bullshit.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1618075 - 06/08/03 12:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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I havn't a problem with welfare for people who're getting back on their feet but there's ppl I know that live off it and have been living off it for a couple years. To me that's bullshit.



I agree. There should be some sort of time limit for that shit.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1618078 - 06/08/03 12:23 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I thought there was a time limit to it. But these ppl keep gettin their check


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1618205 - 06/08/03 01:25 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Try this one on for size. There are shit loads of menial jobs around the country that need doing, people just feel that such work is beneath them. Things like cleaning up roadsides, planting trees and grass, and other athstetic (sp?) chores. Why not take all those welfare people and give them those jobs in return for the check they want? If they cry about not having enough money to pay for child care, why that's another job that needs doing. Have a woman of fairly good repute who is also on welfare to take care of the kids and let the rest work to earn their checks. Wouldn't feel so bad about it then, it'd stop being welfare and a communally supported job program.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: BetMomIsProud]
    #1618304 - 06/08/03 02:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I'd favor that, but then there'd be some asshole attourney saying "well she needs off of work to care for her son(s).

But I'd favor it


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1618493 - 06/08/03 04:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Just wanted to know what you guys think of this idea. What if the government produced some product and sold it to the general population, then used the revenues to fund things like welfare, social security, etc. Would you feel better then, since they wouldn't be "stealing" from you?




My objection to the social service system (welfare, social security) is not that they are funded by my tax money. It is that it keeps people down. Entitlement programs create attitudes of entitlement. It fosters ill feelings towards those it is supposed to 'help'.

Give a man a fish..feed him for a day

Teach a man to fish...feed him for a lifetime

If someone has been in the free fish a day line for 5 years and you point out the learn to fish line...some may go..but many more will not so long as they know the free fish line will still be there.

A couple hundred years ago if someone wanted a meal from a soup kitchen they had to chop wood for both themselves and a widow. Now people in soup kitchen lines gripe that the food they are getting is not up to the quality that they expect to be given for free. They don't even have to take turns washing the dishes or anything. This hurts those that it is supposted to be helping.

People deserve the dignity of work.

Very, very few people out of the millions and millions that get free handouts from tax dollars are incapable of participating in earning their keep.

How many months would you let a person stay with you for free without requiring that they clean up after themselves, not come home drunk every night, look for a job, whatever? The current system allows people to do this for their entire lifetime.

That is harmful (and wasteful). Not helpful.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1618623 - 06/08/03 05:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"I agree. There should be some sort of time limit for that shit. "

I don't know where you live, but most places do have a time limit for welfare.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1620026 - 06/09/03 05:53 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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YOUR money.




well corporations are the biggest freeloadersof them all!


And the rich people that dont take risks* and do currency specualtion are holding the rest of us back along with a over priced managerial class in both public AND private corporations.

*=currency speculation is holding down the rest of the economy and when taken out of the way welfare "freeloaders" wont be such a hot button issue as the real "freeloaders" will be gone , there is nothing capitalistic about taking over public services or currency speculation , these are low risks in comparison to other things and these rich fuckers put out propaganda saying welfare is the problem, currency speculation has very harsh effects


NO RICH PEOPLE ......now adays talk of adam smith because they are NOTHING like him!




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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: silversoul7]
    #1620324 - 06/09/03 11:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

this thread might be a lot better if it got itself back on topic.

i don't think that there is any way, aside from taxes (and fines), for the government to generate revenue (aside from running businesses, which is something that they should not, in my opinion, be doing).


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    #1621823 - 06/09/03 09:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What's funny about democrates/liberals is that they are actually holding down the people that they claim to help. How long have they been saying that they will give blacks this and that? As long as I can remember and it's still the same. They like to use divide and conquer tactics in politics. They break people into groups, take from one, give to another. You're either this or this and if you don't agree with it they label you closed minded, racist, ect. How about thier latest scam of "there's no tax breaks for the poor". The poor don't pay taxes to begin with!!!!!! Anyway back on track, I think there is no and should be no alternatives to taxes, but there should be for what it's used for. Taxes should only be used for things we all benefit from. Don't take my money and give it for research on the social interactions between homosexuals and their pets. How about a nice smooth road for a change? Social welfare programs/entitlements should be cut back to make them unattractive. Sure some people fall through, but it should make them want to go back to work. Social Security should be phased out and implement a manditory retirement savings. You still have to have it taken out of your check, but 100% of the money is yours. Anyway this is getting too long. The more taxes your gov't puts on you, the more control they have over you.


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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: ShroomFarmer]
    #1621830 - 06/09/03 09:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

All very true of course.

However, we need to maintain funding for the study of the mating life of geckos!
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Re: Alternative to taxes [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1622190 - 06/09/03 10:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I love how the Dems claim to be for the "poor" and that the GOP is for the "Rich".  Wouldn't that make every Democratic politician a Republican???  Last I checked the Kennedy's weren't poor.  They do love to jack our taxes so they can scrape a HUGE portion off the top before giving the 1 or 2 pennies per dollar to the poor though.  :smile:  Give me a big hell yeah to flat line taxing...


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