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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #8]
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Anonymous #8 said:
Anonymous #16 said:
Anonymous #7 said:
you will not gain a single thing from trying opiates other than temporary pleasure



I have to ask - what else can you get out of life?



genuine love gained by interpersonal relationships.

intellectual satisfaction from learning about something you find interesting.

happiness derived from natural, healthy ways.

fuck off, encouraging this guy to try a substance that could ruin his life.  you should be ashamed of yourself.



I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything other than answer my question.

Happiness derived from natural, healthy ways? What does that even mean? No tv/internet/drugs/fatty foods? Kill me now.

All of those things you listed look like temporary forms of pleasure to me.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #16] * 1
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No one knows if they can use heroin recreationally until they've tried it, and by that time if the answer is no, it's already too late.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #7]
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Anonymous #7 said:
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it's nothing like the "try it one time and you're a junkie" type deal that the DEA and DARE have been trying to sell you your whole life.



I can see why people on shroomery are quick to dismiss any type of propaganda or drug myth, but not every anti-drug comment is completely unrealistic.

Once again, telling someone that they won't get hooked after the first time just because YOU didn't get hooked does not make sense. Everyone is different. That's like telling someone there is NO way they're going to have a bad trip their first time since you didn't.

I remember the day I tried OC for my first time. One of my first thoughts was, "wow this is incredible i'm going to do this all the time". I also had friends who were the opposite and believed in self control.. of course it only took them a few extra months than me to catch up and get addicted eventually.

Bottom line, whether you believe in self control over addiction or not.. YOU ARE NOT MISSING OUT ON ANYTHING! you will not gain a single thing from trying opiates other than temporary pleasure



true enough, if you do it enough to develop a physical addiction your willpower doesn't mean shit. but keep in mind i was comparing heroin to other opiates. can you say that heroin is that more addictive than say oxycontin? I don't know what OP has done which is why i said what i said in comparison to other opiates

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #11]
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I was referring to opiates in general. There seems to be a lot of shroomery junkies always encouraging the newbies to go ahead and try opiates.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #7]
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Wow, Thank you everyone for you replies. I can see this is clearly a topic that many of you are very passionate about. For those of you wondering, my experience with opiates is little to none. I've only tried recreational doses of Tramadol and Codeine, so yeah no experience really. I would try Oxy's but I've never heard of anyone using/selling them here.

Please continue to share your thoughts, comments so far have be very helpful.

Thanks :smile:

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #1]
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well you already know i developed a problem in my original post, but in retrospect i can honestly say that problem didn't begin developing a head of steam until i was using it three times a week regularly. up until then there were no psychological cravings. so with that said, trying it once to see what it's like is not going to addict you regardless what some of these numbnuts are saying. if you're curious, satisfy t hat curiosity, get it out of the way. then you'll know what it's like and you can put it behind you.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #8]
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Anonymous #8 said:
Anonymous #16 said:
Anonymous #7 said:
you will not gain a single thing from trying opiates other than temporary pleasure



I have to ask - what else can you get out of life?



genuine love gained by interpersonal relationships.

intellectual satisfaction from learning about something you find interesting.

happiness derived from natural, healthy ways.

fuck off, encouraging this guy to try a substance that could ruin his life.  you should be ashamed of yourself.



you get off on pretending to have the moral high ground don't you?

everyone has said be careful etc etc, but you seem to think you have the right to make decision for others...

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #9] * 1
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Alright...so I'm going to give you the straight dope, from a dope junkie.  I've been clean for about a year and have no intention on going back, fyi.

Yes, there are some people who develop craving for heroin right after the 1st time they tried it.  This has not been my experience, however.

I always experimented with drugs, mainly psychedelics.  I smoked weed everyday, drank occasionally, but my main squeeze was just smoking pot and rolling or doing psychs during a concert or festival.  I was doing this for a few years...sampling various drugs.  I remember liking the percocet that the doc gave me for my wisdom teeth but when they were gone I could take it or leave it.  Did roxi's and oxy seldomly, whenever a buddy had some and we weren't doing shit, but nothing habit forming.

One day I decided to hit up a buddy who I'd gotten roxi from before.  My girl and I were bored as fuck and wanted a little something beyond our usual potfest.  He only had heroin, so I figured "why not?"  I copped two points (200 mgs) called up one of my buddies to come over and try it with us and we did it.  It feels good...we all had a good chill night, definitely no twinge of addiction.  We were all actually telling each other how it's not that big of a deal and how we didn't think we'd do it again.

Well...a couple of months goes by and me and my girl decide to cop some again, just to mix it up a little like before.  Same result as before.  Fast forward a few more months and it's summertime.  I'm not taking any classes and have minimal hours at my job.  I'm just chilling, smoking, dealing, and doing whatever the fuck I want.  I decide to get some more dope.  This time I don't tell my girl, just keep it for myself.  I nurse a couple points for a few weeks, doing a little bit at a time, putting it away right after, perfectly content with the warm blanket feeling that seemed to make my afternoons a little better. 

Only two weeks after I finish that last bit up I decide to get some more.  I'm thinking "I'm not an addict, I was able to hold some dope for a pretty long period of time and moderate things."  Well that didn't work this time, I did it all in one night.  Back again the next day.  I had the money and the time to just do heroin all day every day  and that developed into my addiction.  I'm not going to go into specifics because I think we can all agree that heroin addiction is no place they want to be.

If I didn't have all that time on my hands I might not have kept using dope, but I couldn't see the future the first time I tried it.  I didn't know I was setting up a series of irrational decisions just by 'harmlessly' trying it that first night...taking it out of the "danger drug" category and placing it into "not that big of a deal".  The shit creeps up on you...at least it did for me.  And while it's very possible you'll be fine after you try it...for months, maybe even a year.  If you come across it again, you might do it again and that time could be the time that tips you over into a lot of pain, misery and suffering.

By the way, once you're addicted to a substance, you can't use again.  Not just your drug of choice, you can't use ANYTHING ever again...or you're either going to go back to your drug of choice or substitute your addiction.  You can't drink, you can't smoke weed...it'll all lead back to the same place.  Are you really prepared to give up all drugs/alcohol for the risk of getting addicted to one?

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Bottom line, whether you believe in self control over addiction or not.. YOU ARE NOT MISSING OUT ON ANYTHING! you will not gain a single thing from trying opiates other than temporary pleasure



^^^THIS!

Edited by Anonymous (11/19/11 07:29 PM)

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #17]
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Anonymous #17 said:
By the way, once you're addicted to a substance, you can't use again.  Not just your drug of choice, you can't use ANYTHING ever again...or you're either going to go back to your drug of choice or substitute your addiction.  You can't drink, you can't smoke weed...it'll all lead back to the same place.



False.  I'm an ex-heroin junkie and I get by just fine smoking weed and drinking the occasional beer.  Sure, right after I quit using I drank a shitload, but just because you're susceptible to one drug doesn't mean that you can never do any other type of drug again.  Don't be ridiculous.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #17]
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I quit drinking years ago and I can't even have a beer without getting a terrible migraine and just feeling like shit.

I'd surmise it's my body's way of telling me that I need to stay the fuck away after all of those years of my life that I lost to that goddamn drug.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #9]
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Anonymous #9 said:
everyone has said be careful etc etc, but you seem to think you have the right to make decision for others...



I've seen this same thread about fifty times, so I'm not weighing in on the topic; I just had to point this out:

Did he make heroin illegal?

Did he flush RP's heroin?

No?

That's not making anyone's decision, then. That's expressing an opinion on a bulletin board. Telling people to do something when you don't have any power over them aside from the force of your arguments is not oppression to me, it can't take away any decisions from anyone.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #18]
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Don't do it.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #19]
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Heroin will keep you from enjoying everything in life. You will only enjoy heroin. And when you run out of heroin you will get zero pleasure out of everything and it takes a month of not using for things to start feeling normal again, and 3 months to get to 90% normal.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #3]
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WTF is this shit? Did you just turn 16?

Sure go ahead have opium but nonono, HEROIN, god forbid.

Fuck's sake, live a little. Just don't ruin your life because of some curiosity.

My recommendation is to go read the stickied threads in ODD before you try it.



Well let's have a look at the facts shall we. All you have to do is compare the number of Heroin addicts to Opium addicts and the percentage of people who get addicted to each drug. Heroin has killed FAR more people than opium. It's nowhere near as dangerous or addictive as Heroin. Yes I realize Heroin is converted from Opium, but it's that conversion that makes all the difference.

Opium can't get you addicted from one hit, Heroin potentially can and has done in the past. Comical to compare the two. Is living really all about some fake happiness for 2 hours before vomiting your guts out for 25$ a dose? Not for me, I'll stick with Weed, booze, LSD and Shrooms thank you.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #6]
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Anonymous #6 said:
Opium can't get you addicted from one hit



False.  Any opiate can get you psychologically addicted from the first hit.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #6]
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Anon #6, Opium is a gateway drug to heroin. Did you think about that??

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Air was my gateway drug.  If I had never breathed, I never would have gone to do heroin.  :sad:

Breathing: not even once.

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #14]
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That's true. And I'd say any drug has the potential to get you addicted the first try. Everyone's different and it all depends on the person.

-iliketripping

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Honestly, I don't even understand why OP is asking strangers something like this in the first place. I doubt anything someone tells you anonymously online is going to change your decision.

It's only effect is pure synthetic escape. What do you think you will get out of trying this drug?

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Re: Trying Heroin. [Re: Anonymous #7]
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Anonymous #7 said:
What do you think you will get out of trying this drug?



Fame, riches and eternal happiness?

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