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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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I guess I couldn't help laughing if I had to listen to English speaking myco-enthusiasts as I couldn't help listening to some big headed "president" and my professors at University say "via" (as vahyah) and "vice versa" (as "vaheehsee vahsah")...

Some names are better written than pronounced...

It's different if you ask for "correct" latin pronounciation (and many terms are Greek, anyway) and the common agreement for what a name is pronounced like.


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"Love is the law; love under will..."

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Why do you always act like you're the final authority on something? You're really not. No one is in this case.

Just becuase you say it one way doesn't mean thats it is correct or the way everyone else pronounces it. FFS the whole point of this thread was to discuss the different pronunciations, not come to any real conclusions.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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No one who spoke real latin is aloive today to tell us how it is suppose to be pronounced.

mj Or Roman for that matter, which was nothing like the Italian of today. That is like Hyroglyphics. No one can speak that language at least not in English.

or the cuniform of Sumaria.

mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Let me say that the point here is a bit different from what it would be with cuneiform or hyeroglyphs.
For ancient Egyptian and Sumerian there are no documentations about "sounds".

It's different with Latin. Latin has been spoken with different "accents" and variations (but grammatical and lexical ones) up to the 15th century in central Italy and till the 19th century in churches... Latin had a phonetical correspondence between signs and pronounciations... with just a few exceptions. We have metric to help us "guess" where the stress goes in a sentence or in a single word, and there are sound that where unknown to Latins, but the substance is there.
The difference between Italian and Latin is the same, roughly speaking, laying betweeen Gothic and English. But while an English speaking person can't guess what the sound of Gothic is 'least he/she has studied that, and Italian speaking person can get realy close to the right sound of Latin (signs are the same and words are very similar most of the times). And, even more, some "lucky" older guys here in Italy had to study Latin as it was a living language up to a few years ago (now English seems to be more important for the market and pupils are unaware of the roots of their language...).

Isolation is the real problem and let's not forget that most English lads can hardly understand some "American English" speaking guys... though nominally the language should be the same.

Peace and love

"NEC SPE - NEC METU"


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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i continue pronounce it the way i first heard it regardless of anyone else's interpretation of how it should be. that would be sill-oh-sighb. 3 syllables. don't like that? too bad. would you know what i was saying when i said it? you bet.


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To be honest, I fear the OTD. ---TheMadConductor

Now I'm gonna have to start getting down on my knees and blowing mushrooms... ---RogerRabbit

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Always interesstes me though the different pronuciations from around the world
:-) even America english,Austrailian english and South African english are
so different in speech that there cannot b a one way to prounce any words.

Even 200 miles from myself people prounce things very diiferently let alone in northern europe :tongue: .
Its all gravy i suppose but interessting none the less.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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I saw an interview on pot tv (www.pot-tv.net) with paul stamets and he was saying there are a few ways you could pronounce it including

sill-awk-psi-bee

I liked that way, it sounds cool. The interview's cool, do a search for paul stamets on there and you'll find it.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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oh, finally, somebody's got it right! you are correct, :smile: 


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comario


"crusaders against emotional poverty"

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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you are wrong, white widow is correct. period. :mad: :smile: :laugh: 


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comario


"crusaders against emotional poverty"

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: comario2]
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Thats funny because I have Paul on tape from Amsterdam and he pronounced it exactly as I did. up above in this post.
mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Jeepers. 19 replies overnight and everybody is still all over the place! :wink:

I still believe I am right (as far as ancient Latin goes, anyway), and have provided a  link to back it up. Not only that, both my parents studied Latin at University. My father is Italian and my Mother is Latvian. With those three sources I'm just going to have to stubornly stick to my beliefs. :smile:

It doesn't worry me at all how people pronounce things, as long as the basic semantics of the message are communicated it really doesn't matter at all! I was just saying how Ancient Latins more-than-likely pronounced things. That's "Sill - owe - sahr - bee" and "Am-ah-night-ah".

P.S. No, I don't use the ancient Latin pronounciation in everyday speach! (and nor does anyone else, scientists especially!) :wink:

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 05:16 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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Please read the posts before replying and erronously accusing me of making as "assume" out of myself. Thanks. :wink:

"Note, the way modern mycologist pronounce the words is certainly no indication of their ancient Latin pronounciation! For example, Psilocybe would be pronounced - in ancient Rome - as "sill-owe-sar-bee", but I doubt anyone pronounces it like this at all in the modern world, mycologist or not! Modern scientists would probably be considered pretentious by their peers if they used ancient Latin pronounciation these days! Nobody does anymore." - Quote from me further up the page

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 05:25 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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oO_wombat_Oo - I guess you touched a nerve out there. Some of the most passionate discussions I've seen in mycology (face-to-face, not over the net) have been about this very topic. It's not one you'd expect beforehand would get people all that worked up - but it does.

Mr_Mushrooms - interestingly, Marilyn will be the speaker at the next CMS meeting. I had a nice chat with her Monday night at the meeting. She was telling me about the latest Amanita phalloides poisoning (they're still in the hospital but expected to make it) in San Francisco. I guess those damn things have been coming up everywhere out there in huge numbers.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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I'll keep that in mind.

But it is still annoying that even my post directly above his reply - let alone several others - had fully covered the point on which he accused me of making as "assume" (arse?) out of myself.

People are entitled to their own opinions etc., but surely they should read the posts before contributing - especially before flinging any mud.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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Im only new to mycology but have heard these same arguments in the plant world for years(im a gardener by trade)so im wondering what all your favourite sounding mushroom names would be?

My favorite sounding plant name is
Metasequoia glyptostroboides.

But havent the expericence to choose a Latin mushroom name as favourite yet
so would like to hear a few of yours :grin:


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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I don't think a calm and intelligent discussion about ancient Latin pronounciation has anything to do with 'ego' at all. People have opinions and they like to share them. I had no idea that Latin pronounciation is a "touchy subject". Geez - who would have guessed!?  :ooo:

Although I must admit to getting annoyed when people mis-read, ignore, or plain just don't read something I've written, and then offer their opinion on it - which has happened more than once in this thread. 

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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