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Correct latin pronounciation
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Did you know Amanita is actually pronounced, Am-aye-night-er, not Am-aye-neet-a as most people (including many professional mycologists) actually say it?

How cares? Nobody, probably, but it's an interesting little tid-bit that I just picked up.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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I would be curious to know why you would say one is more correct than the other.


Dr. Tulloss, the current expert on Amanitas in this hemisphere, pronounces it the way almost all professional mycologists do (incidentally, he says it's the way Bas, the current world authority on Amanita, does) -

Am uh nee' tuh


He also says that either pronounciation is considered correct, but that only Americans pronounce it the way you suggest.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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I believe they are pronounced in English Latin or something like that, Latin words pronounced as if they were eng.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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btw, toxic man, yours in fact is the correct to pronounce it is a latin word, and that's how the romans would pronounce it :mad: :cool: :grin: 


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comario


"crusaders against emotional poverty"

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: comario2]
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Um, no - that's incorrect, actually.

Note, the way modern mycologist pronounce the words is certainly no indication of their ancient Latin pronounciation! For example, Psilocybe would be pronounced - in ancient Rome - as "sill-owe-sar-bee", but I doubt anyone pronounces it like this at all in the modern world, mycologist or not! Modern scientists would probably be considered pretentious by their peers if they used ancient Latin pronounciation these days! Nobody does anymore.


"Correct" is probably not the best word to use. "Historical" is more semantic.

I say "Am-aye-night-er" is the "correct" way, because this is how the ancient Roman's actually would have pronounced it, not the other way.

Furthermore - contrary to what somebody else posted above - the way I've suggested is the way modern Europeans sort-of pronounce it, the other method is the way American's pronounce it, so everybody's pretty muddled up here. :smile:

I say sort-of because Europeans still do say "Am - in- neet - a" when in the prescence of Americans, and most do use the incorrect pronounciation even when they are not, because it's become the "standard".

Aparantly many Europeans don't use the fully "correct" pronounciation, but use something that is more acceptable to them, such as "ah-mah-nee-tah" (exentuate the h's).

"Am-aye-night-er" is the way it would have been pronounced when people acutally spoke Latin. Of course, that doesn't make it "correct" these days, it's just a bit of trivia.

I have very reliable sources that I have double-checked this with.

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/15/03 08:11 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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YOu have to consider that Austrailians have different dialects than the Americans do. We would never end a word like "Amanita" with an er/ar sound. There isn't a single "r" in the word! :wink: 

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Gumby]
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You're totally right about that ending, "ah" is much better. That's just a slip up of my trying to "pronounce" a word with a keyboard! I've never actually vocalise an "ar" when I say it, that was just a "spelling mistake", if you like. :wink:

Thx.

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/15/03 08:10 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Well, here's yet another idea that we should all try to keep in mind when this topic comes up.

The purpose of these names is communication. The reason we name the mushrooms (or anything at all, for that matter) is so that we can communicate with each other more effectively. Regardless of how "correct" any particular pronounciation is or how much we may like it, if we use an alternative to the one in common use we may find that sometimes (maybe most or all of the time) we are misunderstood. There are a lot of cases where I very much dislike the pronounciation the professionals use for a name. But if I use the one I like they won't know what I'm talking about. And since I don't have a PhD after my name I'm not going to be listened to by them nearly as much as if I did.

Even if I could convince one or two of the pros that my way is better, the moment they get around the other pros they'll have to go back to doing it the way they do it now.

So I guess what I'm saying is that the way I've learned to pronounce them is the way the professionals do, right or wrong. And when asked, I give the way they pronounce them as the "right" way.


Which leaves my original question - how are you defining "right" in this case? I have outlined my definition and reason for using that definition, so I would be curious as to why another pronounciation might be more right.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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Toxicman,

I'm not sure you read my seond last post, in which I gave a thorough answer to your question, as well as stateing most of the points that you just reiterated.

I'm sure if you go back and re-read my post, you'll understand what I'm getting at. :wink:

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/15/03 11:36 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Quote:
"sill-owe-sar-bee"

???

Be sure no-one would have pronounced "Psilocybe" like that in Ancient Rome or in Medieval Italy: [P-see-loh-tchee-bEh] ("Eh" is a "e" like in "end").

And Amanita is correctly pronounced like "Ah-mah-nee-tah".

Languages are not that hard to understand if you forget about English being considered the first and best of them all (and it's not for sure)...


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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Well, I'm telling you they would have.

If you don't want to believe me, then fine - we'll agree to disagree. Mind you, if you're going to use that pronounciation to rebutt what I'm saying, it would be pronouced "Pee-seelo-che-beh"  :confused:

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Nothing is worse than an English speaking mycologist who corrects people's Latin pronunciation. I mean, it's not like the "correct" pronunciation is anywhere close to the way Latin should be pronounced. For crying out loud, the "correct" pronunciation of Amanita in English rhymes with (I) "am a fighta" ("not a lova").


-  www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/pronouncing.html

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 05:08 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Quote:
I say "Am-aye-night-er" is the "correct" way, because this is how the ancient Roman's actually would have pronounced it, not the other way.


Where did you get that?
[I'm trying not to laugh but I can't help myself, sorry, that sounds like Irish latin :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:]

The link you gave says White_widow's version "Ah-mah-nee-tah" is correct.
I don't understand your point - why do you disagree with him?

More interesting is the Psilocybe pronounciation. In this case there are even two versions of "classic latin". I had the opportunity to ask a teacher of Latin &  Italian (my mother lol). She said that there are two versions. Italians say  [P-see-loh-tchee-bEh] (same as in Italian) while some say [P-see-loh-tsee-bEh]. Italians have a good argument since they're the direct ancestors but most biologists I know use the second version. This difference makes a real mess out of it. :crazy:

I have no idea how english latin is spoken. I have trouble even with regular english, go figure latin english... :grin: 

Edited by zeronio (04/16/03 06:30 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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So Am uh nee' tuh is correct hu?I was saying Ah-man-e-ta.

and as to Psilocybe i say sil-o-si-bee
P-see-loh-tsee-bEh can sound as pee-c-loe-ter-c-bay?if i read it as its writen lol.



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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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Repeat slowly after me, I know you can make it: P-siiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee-loooooouuuuuuuh-tseeeeeeiiiiiiiii-beeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaah
Psilocybe
isn't that easy?

PS.
I bet we wouldn't understand a word of each other if we met. :smile:

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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lol now its even worse for me to say lmao.

Pee-si-loo-ha-teh-seei-beer lmao.I think we would need a translator :-)


edit: is it not a silent P?


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Edited by Paid (04/16/03 07:47 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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J/K
The P is not silent in classic latin.

OK I will try to write it with the way I pronounce english words. lol.
PSILOCYBE version 1:
PS ... like the end of the word "traps"
I ... like ee in "beep"
LO ... like lo in "low"
CY ... like chi in "chips"
BE ... like be in "belly"

PSILOCYBE version 2:
PS ... like the end of the word "traps"
I ... like ee in "beep"
LO ... like lo in "low"
C ... like ts in "tsunami" or maybe "parents"
Y ... like i in "chips"
BE ... like be in "belly"

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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For everyones corrections it is actually:

sill as in window sill

la as in fa-la-la
sib as in sibling and Be as in bumble bee

sill-la-sib-bee

psilocybe.

have a shroomy day.

mhj

And in all my life I never met a mycologist who told anyone which was the correct way to pronounce something. Unles they were specifically asked. Many latin words have two pronounciatipons to the word, depending on what side of the globe one is form.

mj

Edited by mjshroomer (04/16/03 08:23 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Yes, that's what we were talking about - there is no absolutely correct variant.
I guess you gave us the correct english latin pronounciation.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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my girlfriend is majoring in latin, and if i'm quite sure wombat is right.

at least thats how it would be pronounced in LATIN. now we dont speak latin these days so its probably not gonna be pronounced that way..

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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I guess I couldn't help laughing if I had to listen to English speaking myco-enthusiasts as I couldn't help listening to some big headed "president" and my professors at University say "via" (as vahyah) and "vice versa" (as "vaheehsee vahsah")...

Some names are better written than pronounced...

It's different if you ask for "correct" latin pronounciation (and many terms are Greek, anyway) and the common agreement for what a name is pronounced like.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Why do you always act like you're the final authority on something? You're really not. No one is in this case.

Just becuase you say it one way doesn't mean thats it is correct or the way everyone else pronounces it. FFS the whole point of this thread was to discuss the different pronunciations, not come to any real conclusions.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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No one who spoke real latin is aloive today to tell us how it is suppose to be pronounced.

mj Or Roman for that matter, which was nothing like the Italian of today. That is like Hyroglyphics. No one can speak that language at least not in English.

or the cuniform of Sumaria.

mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Let me say that the point here is a bit different from what it would be with cuneiform or hyeroglyphs.
For ancient Egyptian and Sumerian there are no documentations about "sounds".

It's different with Latin. Latin has been spoken with different "accents" and variations (but grammatical and lexical ones) up to the 15th century in central Italy and till the 19th century in churches... Latin had a phonetical correspondence between signs and pronounciations... with just a few exceptions. We have metric to help us "guess" where the stress goes in a sentence or in a single word, and there are sound that where unknown to Latins, but the substance is there.
The difference between Italian and Latin is the same, roughly speaking, laying betweeen Gothic and English. But while an English speaking person can't guess what the sound of Gothic is 'least he/she has studied that, and Italian speaking person can get realy close to the right sound of Latin (signs are the same and words are very similar most of the times). And, even more, some "lucky" older guys here in Italy had to study Latin as it was a living language up to a few years ago (now English seems to be more important for the market and pupils are unaware of the roots of their language...).

Isolation is the real problem and let's not forget that most English lads can hardly understand some "American English" speaking guys... though nominally the language should be the same.

Peace and love

"NEC SPE - NEC METU"


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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i continue pronounce it the way i first heard it regardless of anyone else's interpretation of how it should be. that would be sill-oh-sighb. 3 syllables. don't like that? too bad. would you know what i was saying when i said it? you bet.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Always interesstes me though the different pronuciations from around the world
:-) even America english,Austrailian english and South African english are
so different in speech that there cannot b a one way to prounce any words.

Even 200 miles from myself people prounce things very diiferently let alone in northern europe :tongue: .
Its all gravy i suppose but interessting none the less.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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I saw an interview on pot tv (www.pot-tv.net) with paul stamets and he was saying there are a few ways you could pronounce it including

sill-awk-psi-bee

I liked that way, it sounds cool. The interview's cool, do a search for paul stamets on there and you'll find it.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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oh, finally, somebody's got it right! you are correct, :smile: 


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"crusaders against emotional poverty"

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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you are wrong, white widow is correct. period. :mad: :smile: :laugh: 


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: comario2]
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Thats funny because I have Paul on tape from Amsterdam and he pronounced it exactly as I did. up above in this post.
mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Jeepers. 19 replies overnight and everybody is still all over the place! :wink:

I still believe I am right (as far as ancient Latin goes, anyway), and have provided a  link to back it up. Not only that, both my parents studied Latin at University. My father is Italian and my Mother is Latvian. With those three sources I'm just going to have to stubornly stick to my beliefs. :smile:

It doesn't worry me at all how people pronounce things, as long as the basic semantics of the message are communicated it really doesn't matter at all! I was just saying how Ancient Latins more-than-likely pronounced things. That's "Sill - owe - sahr - bee" and "Am-ah-night-ah".

P.S. No, I don't use the ancient Latin pronounciation in everyday speach! (and nor does anyone else, scientists especially!) :wink:

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 05:16 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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Please read the posts before replying and erronously accusing me of making as "assume" out of myself. Thanks. :wink:

"Note, the way modern mycologist pronounce the words is certainly no indication of their ancient Latin pronounciation! For example, Psilocybe would be pronounced - in ancient Rome - as "sill-owe-sar-bee", but I doubt anyone pronounces it like this at all in the modern world, mycologist or not! Modern scientists would probably be considered pretentious by their peers if they used ancient Latin pronounciation these days! Nobody does anymore." - Quote from me further up the page

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 05:25 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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oO_wombat_Oo - I guess you touched a nerve out there. Some of the most passionate discussions I've seen in mycology (face-to-face, not over the net) have been about this very topic. It's not one you'd expect beforehand would get people all that worked up - but it does.

Mr_Mushrooms - interestingly, Marilyn will be the speaker at the next CMS meeting. I had a nice chat with her Monday night at the meeting. She was telling me about the latest Amanita phalloides poisoning (they're still in the hospital but expected to make it) in San Francisco. I guess those damn things have been coming up everywhere out there in huge numbers.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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I'll keep that in mind.

But it is still annoying that even my post directly above his reply - let alone several others - had fully covered the point on which he accused me of making as "assume" (arse?) out of myself.

People are entitled to their own opinions etc., but surely they should read the posts before contributing - especially before flinging any mud.


Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 06:12 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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Im only new to mycology but have heard these same arguments in the plant world for years(im a gardener by trade)so im wondering what all your favourite sounding mushroom names would be?

My favorite sounding plant name is
Metasequoia glyptostroboides.

But havent the expericence to choose a Latin mushroom name as favourite yet
so would like to hear a few of yours :grin:


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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I don't think a calm and intelligent discussion about ancient Latin pronounciation has anything to do with 'ego' at all. People have opinions and they like to share them. I had no idea that Latin pronounciation is a "touchy subject". Geez - who would have guessed!?  :ooo:

Although I must admit to getting annoyed when people mis-read, ignore, or plain just don't read something I've written, and then offer their opinion on it - which has happened more than once in this thread. 

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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"Metasequoia glyptostroboides"
Crikey! I'm not even gonna try to pronounce that one! How about giving as a phonetic spelling?

I think Psilocybe subaeruginosa sounds kinda cool (the way I pronounce it anyway). As a side-note, I'd be interested to hear how other people say this as well!


Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 07:01 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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Everytime you reply I expect to get a "whoops, sorry dude, I didn't see that". Don't worry - I'm not holding my breath.

Not that it worries me at all, just stikes me as being a bit weak.

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 07:07 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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"Metasequoia glyptostroboides"
meta-sea-koi-ah glip-toe-stra-boid-is

and i would have to say

"Psilocybe subaeruginosa"

Sill-o-si-b sub-are-rugin-o-sah which im interrested in as im
growing it for the first time.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Quote:
"Sill - owe - sahr - bee"


That the aur-stral-lian accent way of saying it.

mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Clor-roo-phil-lum mo-lib-dy-tis

mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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that would be:
gi-nosa

mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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I've always like the name Craterellus cornucopioides. It has a cool common name, too, Trumpet of Death. For those into even weirder stuff, it just happens to be featured in Mushrooms Demystified on page 666 :shocked:.

I didn't get much detail on the poisoning. I'll email Marilyn and get more details and create a news thread.


oO_wombat_Oo, it sucks when something you say gets misinterpreted or whatever. I've had threads created on the basis of somebody misreading something I wrote. Oh, well.

Happy mushrooming! 


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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Hosw about Psilocybe augustiplurocystidiata

mjshroomer

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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I have an idea! :grin:
What if we collect the all the ways we pronounce the latin names of two species:
Psilocybe cubensis & Amanita muscaria
We would publish the sounds only after we gather few dozens of different pronounciations, so you won't be influenced by each other.

I volonteer for gathering the sounds. I could also offer some prizes in form of cultures or prints for partecipants.

What do you think?

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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Zeronio, your idea is nice and usefull. I could have some filologists reading those for us  :wink:


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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Why don?t we simply record how everyone pronounces it in their part of the world and post it here? If form of wave or mp3 files, I ment.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Quote:
that would be:
gi-nosa



Really? I thought it was sub-erooji-nosa. The e is as met.

There is a bacterial species named Pseudomonas aeruginosa. All of my teachers at my university pronounce it like I tried to accomplish above.

Here is a link to the bacterial name Pseudomonas aeruginosa

Joshua


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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Quote:
Why don?t we simply record how everyone pronounces it in their part of the world and post it here? If form of wave or mp3 files, I ment.



That's exactly what I meant! Can we post wav & mp3 files?
I thought that first we would mail them to a mod or admin & then they would put it somewhere on the shroomery.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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Quote:
I could have some filologists reading those for us.


That would be great!

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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sill-la-sib-bee

uh-gus-tah-plur-ro-cis-tid--e-ah-ta

mjshroomer

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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>That's exactly what I meant! Can we post wav & mp3 files?
>I thought that first we would mail them to a mod or admin & then they would put it
>somewhere on the shroomery.

anno@shroomery.org


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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Let's make a list of names that we can all record, so to have a common ground


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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I reckon:-

Psilocybe Cubensis
Copelandia Cyanescens
and maybe Psilocybe subaeruginosa

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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There is a problem with Copelandia cyanescens some call it Panaeolus cyanescens. I propose Amanita muscaria instead to avoid debates about which one is correct.  :wink: 

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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How about both?

The good thing about Copelandia cyanescens is the 'cyanescens' bit, that is part of 'Psilocybe cyanescens' too. Two birds with one stone. Sort of.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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I wont to see the Austrailian phonetic spelling of
Psilocybe subaeruginosa :grin:


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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:laugh:

Okay, this is probably way wrong, but you asked for it:-

Sil-O-sigh-bee  sub-ah-roo-gin-osa

How does that sit wit ya?

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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As I said, send me the sound files, and I?ll put them online.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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This'll be embarrassing!

Edit: Damn, was gonna do it too, but I can't find the little microphone that comes with this pute.  :mad:

Oh well, have to wait till a bit while I find it...

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/17/03 05:21 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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That?s the whole point! :wink: 


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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Edited my post while you replied. BTW, who's that bird, Anno? The pic is always different.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Check out my profile.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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any one wont to point me in the right direction as to how i can record a sound .wav file :tongue: i have a mic and win xp?and no computer skills.


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Paid]
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Plug in the microphone in the red(=record) socket of the soundcard.

Start -> Run -> sndrec32.exe

Don?t forget to un-mute the microphone in the volume settings of your soundcard.


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Edited by Anno (04/17/03 06:38 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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You'll have my recordings (from someone skilled with classical Latin and from me - can read middle-latin fairly well -) as soon as I'll be home.

That'll be embarassing... yes. I never liked my voice...  :blush:


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Edited by White_Widow (04/17/03 06:35 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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Just sent mine in thanks for the tutorial Anno :grin:

I did
Amanita muscaria  a-man-eta mus-car-e-ah

Psilocybe cubensis  sill-o-sigh-bee  cue-ben-sis

Psilocybe subaeruginosa  sill-o-sigh-bee suber-rugin-o-sa


and i cant wait to hear Zeronios :smile:


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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:blush: Maybe it would be better if the sounds remain anonymous.  :blush:

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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I already did this onthe earlier page of this thread.

mj


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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Copelandia cyanescens and Panaeolus cyanescens are the same mushroom but follow two different distinct taxonomic pathways.

This is from mycologist Gast?n Guzm?n of the Instituto de Ecologia in Xalapa, Veracruz, Mexico.

And it is the older Europeans who refer to the Copelandia's as panaeolus.

I would like to point oput that Rolf Singer is the one who separated Copelandia from Panaeolus mushrooms.

And there are 13 species of Copelandia independant fom Panaeolus mushrooms.

mj

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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This is about how different people from different places say the same word, there is no 1 way yours nore mine.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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Here you go:
http://shroomery.org/hunting


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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lol am i regreting this?

edit: ps weres yours Anno?


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Edited by Paid (04/17/03 08:19 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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Check now.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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You know we need to hear your version :grin:

Nice one Anno


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Anno]
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Hi Anno, good to her your voice again. Anyway the aeruginosa was a little off. must be your heavy Austrian accent which is actually very light.

The aer is pronounced as aura- the rest as
gi in gin

and nosa as in ros-sa
-nosa

mjshroomer

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Hope we're getting your "versions" too :grin:


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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I have no mycrophone except the one

never mind.

mj

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Download it again and open it with microsoft media player(not that I like it so much, but you have it if you have windows)


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Quote:
The aer is pronounced as aura



Not so...the ae is pronounced as e in met.

Here's is a quote from a web page explaining the pronounciation of biological Latin.

Quote:
The digraphs ae and oe are treated as the letter e.

aesthetic, aestivate, aestuary (pronounced as short English e as in met)



Here's a link to the page. http://www.saltspring.com/capewest/pron.htm

Joshua


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Joshua]
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Damn, everyone will be able to tell me straight away because of my accent!

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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lol mines there weres yours :tongue:


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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I can't find my microphone. Just tried it thru my digital camera but the end recording is too quiet and staticy. You'll just have to wait until tomorrow!

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I made mine with a digital camera. You can amplify it and remove noise with software like CoolEdit.

Well mine is similar to Annos. :laugh: I expect that White_widow's will be also something like that. Of course each one will have it's own accent and that's the fun part of it.

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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: zeronio]
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Several new contributions, thank you all, you are great!

http://shroomery.org/hunting/


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Edited by Anno (04/18/03 01:51 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Anno]
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Exallent who sent the American one in? si-loss-emy ?
and Zeronio?i thought you were male? :tongue: cheater.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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I tried to do my best... LOL
It's been fun to be tought on the phone by my filologist friend, not to talk about the nice things I've learnt.
He brought to my mind a new dilemma: do the Greek parts of names have to be pronounced in Greek? That's why I had the two versions for Cubensis and Psylocybe (and transliteration could have been Cybensis so far...  :confused:)

It's getting funny  :tongue: 


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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So far the Slovenian .wav gets my vote as best pronunced :grin:


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Paid]
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Quote:
i thought you were male?  cheater. 



Are you trying to say that I have a girlish voice? :mad: 

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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That Greek & Latin dillema is interesting. I guess Romans changed Greek the same way English changed Latin. :laugh:
I will add also cyanescens, because that would be the only main difference in how I pronounce it. 

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Quote:
So far the Slovenian .wav gets my vote as best pronunced



Thanks. I also used some digital effects on it: tape hiss & noise reduction, amplitude normalization, warm room reverb & change of sampling rate. :cool: 

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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Quote:
So far the Slovenian .wav gets my vote as best pronunced




Bah! You wait till I get mine up there. :smile: (will be funny)

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/18/03 02:47 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Paid]
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My mic is crappy. Turn the volume up and try them all and you will get a better idea of how I said psilocybe. There is in fact a pronounced "b" in the last syllable. the P. semilanceata turned out the worst. I will see if I can get some better recordings.

Joshua


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Joshua]
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Cool, I liked your version of cyanescens as i was very unsure of that.So i
think ill adopt that way.Thank you


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Paid]
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I just re-recorded all of the files and added some new ones. The new wav files are much clearer and louder.

I e-mailed them all to Anno.

Joshua


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Joshua]
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I normalized and resampled all of the contributions so far (except for zeronio?s :wink:  ).


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Edited by Anno (04/18/03 04:42 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Anno]
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Thanks Anno.

There seems to be a bit of a stutter when I say "Subaeruginosa" - was that in the original recording? If so, I should do it again. :wink: I don't normally say it like that...I don't think. :laugh: LOL

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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Who's the italian?

Parlo Italiano pocco, ma non molto bene. (spelling all wrong).

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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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>There seems to be a bit of a stutter when I say "Subaeruginosa" - was that in
>the original recording? If so, I should do it again.

Feel free to do so.


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Here is the Italian one. I know that Italians are to Australia the same as were rabbits from your other post  :smirk: and I have something that calls me from out there... maybe a carpet python or some nice big parrot...

Spero ti siano piaciute le registrazioni.

Ciao Wombat (put up o wombat pic sometime: really love that face) 


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Anno]
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Thank you Anno for cleaning up and equalizing the sound. Quite impressive.
I can be good with graphic but not as much with sounds...  :shocked: 


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: White_Widow]
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Hey White Widow,

Hows about this Buddha for an avatar?



mjshroomer


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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NIce one, but small dicked as many thays... LOL ThanK you anyway! :grin:


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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So guys - what do you think now? The differences don't seem so big - except between european & english. Our main problem before was the phonetical notation. :grin:
It would be nice to hear also someone from Asia. 

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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: zeronio]
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I would also like to hear a dutchmans version :-) or a scandinavians.


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: Paid]
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:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: i'm starting to love this thread 


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Re: Correct latin pronunciation [Re: comario2]
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Yes its been pretty interessting so far :grin: i'm still hopeing
for a few more big names to give there spin on it :tongue:
Mj?Mr Mushrooms?Toxic man? :grin:


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Where's our link?

http://shroomery.org/hunting

Joshua


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