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Correct latin pronounciation
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Did you know Amanita is actually pronounced, Am-aye-night-er, not Am-aye-neet-a as most people (including many professional mycologists) actually say it?

How cares? Nobody, probably, but it's an interesting little tid-bit that I just picked up.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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I would be curious to know why you would say one is more correct than the other.


Dr. Tulloss, the current expert on Amanitas in this hemisphere, pronounces it the way almost all professional mycologists do (incidentally, he says it's the way Bas, the current world authority on Amanita, does) -

Am uh nee' tuh


He also says that either pronounciation is considered correct, but that only Americans pronounce it the way you suggest.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ]
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I believe they are pronounced in English Latin or something like that, Latin words pronounced as if they were eng.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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btw, toxic man, yours in fact is the correct to pronounce it is a latin word, and that's how the romans would pronounce it :mad: :cool: :grin: 


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: comario2]
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Um, no - that's incorrect, actually.

Note, the way modern mycologist pronounce the words is certainly no indication of their ancient Latin pronounciation! For example, Psilocybe would be pronounced - in ancient Rome - as "sill-owe-sar-bee", but I doubt anyone pronounces it like this at all in the modern world, mycologist or not! Modern scientists would probably be considered pretentious by their peers if they used ancient Latin pronounciation these days! Nobody does anymore.


"Correct" is probably not the best word to use. "Historical" is more semantic.

I say "Am-aye-night-er" is the "correct" way, because this is how the ancient Roman's actually would have pronounced it, not the other way.

Furthermore - contrary to what somebody else posted above - the way I've suggested is the way modern Europeans sort-of pronounce it, the other method is the way American's pronounce it, so everybody's pretty muddled up here. :smile:

I say sort-of because Europeans still do say "Am - in- neet - a" when in the prescence of Americans, and most do use the incorrect pronounciation even when they are not, because it's become the "standard".

Aparantly many Europeans don't use the fully "correct" pronounciation, but use something that is more acceptable to them, such as "ah-mah-nee-tah" (exentuate the h's).

"Am-aye-night-er" is the way it would have been pronounced when people acutally spoke Latin. Of course, that doesn't make it "correct" these days, it's just a bit of trivia.

I have very reliable sources that I have double-checked this with.

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/15/03 08:11 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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YOu have to consider that Austrailians have different dialects than the Americans do. We would never end a word like "Amanita" with an er/ar sound. There isn't a single "r" in the word! :wink: 

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Gumby]
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You're totally right about that ending, "ah" is much better. That's just a slip up of my trying to "pronounce" a word with a keyboard! I've never actually vocalise an "ar" when I say it, that was just a "spelling mistake", if you like. :wink:

Thx.

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/15/03 08:10 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Well, here's yet another idea that we should all try to keep in mind when this topic comes up.

The purpose of these names is communication. The reason we name the mushrooms (or anything at all, for that matter) is so that we can communicate with each other more effectively. Regardless of how "correct" any particular pronounciation is or how much we may like it, if we use an alternative to the one in common use we may find that sometimes (maybe most or all of the time) we are misunderstood. There are a lot of cases where I very much dislike the pronounciation the professionals use for a name. But if I use the one I like they won't know what I'm talking about. And since I don't have a PhD after my name I'm not going to be listened to by them nearly as much as if I did.

Even if I could convince one or two of the pros that my way is better, the moment they get around the other pros they'll have to go back to doing it the way they do it now.

So I guess what I'm saying is that the way I've learned to pronounce them is the way the professionals do, right or wrong. And when asked, I give the way they pronounce them as the "right" way.


Which leaves my original question - how are you defining "right" in this case? I have outlined my definition and reason for using that definition, so I would be curious as to why another pronounciation might be more right.


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: ToxicMan]
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Toxicman,

I'm not sure you read my seond last post, in which I gave a thorough answer to your question, as well as stateing most of the points that you just reiterated.

I'm sure if you go back and re-read my post, you'll understand what I'm getting at. :wink:

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/15/03 11:36 PM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Quote:
"sill-owe-sar-bee"

???

Be sure no-one would have pronounced "Psilocybe" like that in Ancient Rome or in Medieval Italy: [P-see-loh-tchee-bEh] ("Eh" is a "e" like in "end").

And Amanita is correctly pronounced like "Ah-mah-nee-tah".

Languages are not that hard to understand if you forget about English being considered the first and best of them all (and it's not for sure)...


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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: White_Widow]
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Well, I'm telling you they would have.

If you don't want to believe me, then fine - we'll agree to disagree. Mind you, if you're going to use that pronounciation to rebutt what I'm saying, it would be pronouced "Pee-seelo-che-beh"  :confused:

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Nothing is worse than an English speaking mycologist who corrects people's Latin pronunciation. I mean, it's not like the "correct" pronunciation is anywhere close to the way Latin should be pronounced. For crying out loud, the "correct" pronunciation of Amanita in English rhymes with (I) "am a fighta" ("not a lova").


-  www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/pronouncing.html

Edited by oO_wombat_Oo (04/16/03 05:08 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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Quote:
I say "Am-aye-night-er" is the "correct" way, because this is how the ancient Roman's actually would have pronounced it, not the other way.


Where did you get that?
[I'm trying not to laugh but I can't help myself, sorry, that sounds like Irish latin :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:]

The link you gave says White_widow's version "Ah-mah-nee-tah" is correct.
I don't understand your point - why do you disagree with him?

More interesting is the Psilocybe pronounciation. In this case there are even two versions of "classic latin". I had the opportunity to ask a teacher of Latin &  Italian (my mother lol). She said that there are two versions. Italians say  [P-see-loh-tchee-bEh] (same as in Italian) while some say [P-see-loh-tsee-bEh]. Italians have a good argument since they're the direct ancestors but most biologists I know use the second version. This difference makes a real mess out of it. :crazy:

I have no idea how english latin is spoken. I have trouble even with regular english, go figure latin english... :grin: 

Edited by zeronio (04/16/03 06:30 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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So Am uh nee' tuh is correct hu?I was saying Ah-man-e-ta.

and as to Psilocybe i say sil-o-si-bee
P-see-loh-tsee-bEh can sound as pee-c-loe-ter-c-bay?if i read it as its writen lol.



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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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Repeat slowly after me, I know you can make it: P-siiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee-loooooouuuuuuuh-tseeeeeeiiiiiiiii-beeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaah
Psilocybe
isn't that easy?

PS.
I bet we wouldn't understand a word of each other if we met. :smile:

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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lol now its even worse for me to say lmao.

Pee-si-loo-ha-teh-seei-beer lmao.I think we would need a translator :-)


edit: is it not a silent P?


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Edited by Paid (04/16/03 07:47 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: Paid]
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J/K
The P is not silent in classic latin.

OK I will try to write it with the way I pronounce english words. lol.
PSILOCYBE version 1:
PS ... like the end of the word "traps"
I ... like ee in "beep"
LO ... like lo in "low"
CY ... like chi in "chips"
BE ... like be in "belly"

PSILOCYBE version 2:
PS ... like the end of the word "traps"
I ... like ee in "beep"
LO ... like lo in "low"
C ... like ts in "tsunami" or maybe "parents"
Y ... like i in "chips"
BE ... like be in "belly"

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: zeronio]
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For everyones corrections it is actually:

sill as in window sill

la as in fa-la-la
sib as in sibling and Be as in bumble bee

sill-la-sib-bee

psilocybe.

have a shroomy day.

mhj

And in all my life I never met a mycologist who told anyone which was the correct way to pronounce something. Unles they were specifically asked. Many latin words have two pronounciatipons to the word, depending on what side of the globe one is form.

mj

Edited by mjshroomer (04/16/03 08:23 AM)

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: mjshroomer]
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Yes, that's what we were talking about - there is no absolutely correct variant.
I guess you gave us the correct english latin pronounciation.

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Re: Correct latin pronounciation [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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my girlfriend is majoring in latin, and if i'm quite sure wombat is right.

at least thats how it would be pronounced in LATIN. now we dont speak latin these days so its probably not gonna be pronounced that way..

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