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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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All this spiritual nonsense is crap, it comes down to one simple thing * 1
    #14580709 - 06/08/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Science?

It could be, that it comes down to science, but what exactly is science? It is just a translation of the world, description of the world by finding systematic movements among different elements of the World.

Some spiritualist theories appear to be similar, although the explanations are somewhat vague sometimes, or not empirical enough.

But they both come to the same conclusion: There has to be some kind of fixed system in this world, that is not changing, that makes up all the laws and connects everything. In truth, this is actualy an assumption, always was, end forever be. Science is looking for a way to prove that assumption. Until it falls apart, and then there are new theories, and new theories.

Most basic element in world, that makes up everything is INFORMATION. That actually consists of nothing. You can not touch it, can not feel it, but it is there, and we all know it, it is information too. A paradoxial element it is.

And this comes down to one simple thing:

World consists of information, and we could say in a poetic sense, that in the beginning, there was the Word (Not Gods word, just word). If you have two similar bits of information, there is possibility, that there will be more. Eventually, those bits of information make up so called laws of physics and world as we know it. But in the very core level, there is just information with no order. Thats why quantum mechanics, when its reaching to most basic particles, is getting more and more chaotic.

In this sence, one could say that everything is possible, as long as you overcome the other dominating bits of information. This is called the morphogenetic field. The term was originally used in embryology, and it still apllies today, although the theory itself is forgotten as the genetics came, but still not disproven. Such fields are even suspected in quantum theories. The most basic description of morphogenetic field is that when some pieces of information exist, be it physical matter or mere thoughts, there is a big chance that within a certain field, more of those bits of information will appear.

Now, listening to this morphogenetic field theory, you may immeadetly find the name Rupert Sheldrake. But actually, many of his experiments were arguable, because they were not clear enough (like the Japan poem one -- we could say that the well-known poem was easier to learn because of the certain combination of symbols which gave us psychological easiness).

The morphogenetic field has one flaw. It is a field. But what is a field? What controls a field? And most certainly when field is applied to most basic information, the most basic element of the world is controlled and therefore not basic anymore. It could be it. Or, it could also be that morphogenetic field is not actually a field, the term "field" is only a description that applies to physical world. But in the most basic level of information, there are no areas, no space, space itself is information. Therefore, morphogenetics apply to everything, its the information of morphogenetics itself that makes up morphogenetic field in the outcome of information, our physical world.

What about conciousness? If one can alter the information, he must be separate from the information -- How so? Our mind is also a part of collective information.

Words are very powerful things. Like famous writer and a magician, Alan Moore said: It is possible to destroy a person with just a simple allegory. Thats why bards were higher than magicians in middle ages, although they both practiced similar things: spelling.

There is no black magic, devil or god, angles or demons, there is only information of our mind. If WE believe that there is a God, then there is a God. We don't have to see it, its in our minds. If we believe in certain morals, these morals are immeadetly the right morals. This makes up our society. And if one can change the beliefs of ones society, on can control the world. Information is everything, and there seems to be more and more information appearing. More fields, more information, it doubles, then doubles again, and each double doubles again, and again. We model our world as we live in it, it is not modeled for us. We as a collective piece of information.

Bare that in mind.

Thanks.


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Re: All this spiritual nonsense is crap, it comes down to one simple thing [Re: Simms]
    #14580803 - 06/08/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

And you know all this how?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: All this spiritual nonsense is crap, it comes down to one simple thing [Re: Icelander]
    #14583228 - 06/09/11 02:41 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
And you know all this how?




You can read about morphogenetic field in the link given above.

The information bit is undeniable. Can you say, that things don't carry information at all? Sure, things in current macroworld carry information, and one can say they are not made of information. Question is: How far can one zoom in until there is no information? There always is.


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Re: All this spiritual nonsense is crap, it comes down to one simple thing [Re: Simms]
    #14584440 - 06/09/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It's certainly not that I disagree but I have never been absolutely sure of anything to due the fact that I didn't create my brain and don't know for sure what it's doing to me.


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