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NoobWithShrooms
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could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely?
#14354674 - 04/26/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Title says all.
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elprawn
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: NoobWithShrooms]
#14354680 - 04/26/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nope.
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: elprawn]
#14354703 - 04/26/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i thought they did... but best bet would be to find one of those maps that has the area colored in for there area of growth
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: elprawn]
#14354729 - 04/26/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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elprawn said: Nope.
It's really funny how in Spring every third post is like "So I heard Libs DO grow in Spring!". Folks: if you are that desperate, go find a drug dealer that sells acid or homegrown cubes, but don't try to beat nature at its game.
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: German Kahuna]
#14354755 - 04/26/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obviously this species will not grow in spring. I imagine most autumnal fruiters wouldn't.
I kind of wonder why though? I mean, aren't there fairly similar conditions in spring and in fall? The conditions are similar enough for 'voids to fruit twice a year (spring and auntumn) sometimes. Guess it's just one of those things that make you scratch your head. There must be some reason though.
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14354818 - 04/26/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah and since scotland i'snt the sunniest place there could be a chance? Proberly not though ):
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14354828 - 04/26/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's got something to do with the natural cycle these species go throuh. Fruiting simply doesn't follow Winter, even if the temperatures are right, at least not in most cool and moderate climate mushroom species. The fungal organism needs to go through a phase where it finds new sources of nutrients (e.g. colonizes the neighboring decaying grass roots for P. semilanceata, etc.) and then through a phase where it stabilizes itself before it eventually enters fruiting mode after several warm months.
Take the cool climate wood loving species for example. During the Winter months the organism is more or less completely dormant and mycelial growth is stunted to a complete halt. Then, when Winter is over and the ground and its substrate isn't frozen anymore, the mycelial network will "come back to life" and start conquering its habitat again. The main mycelial growth takes place when temperatures are between 20° and 30° Celsius. Spring and Summer. Then when Fall comes, it will have found new sources of nutrients and thus energy and fruiting will be triggered by the temperatures cooling down and high ambient humidity.
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: NoobWithShrooms]
#14354833 - 04/26/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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NoobWithShrooms said: yeah and since scotland i'snt the sunniest place there could be a chance?
You still have seasons.
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: German Kahuna]
#14354848 - 04/26/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: It's got something to do with the natural cycle these species go throuh. Fruiting simply doesn't follow Winter, even if the temperatures are right, at least not in most cool and moderate climate mushroom species. The fungal organism needs to go through a phase where it finds new sources of nutrients (e.g. colonizes the neighboring decaying grass roots for P. semilanceata, etc.) and then through a phase where it stabilizes itself before it eventually enters fruiting mode after several warm months.
Take the cool climate wood loving species for example. During the Winter months the organism is more or less completely dormant and mycelial growth is stunted to a complete halt. Then, when Winter is over and the ground and its substrate isn't frozen anymore, the mycelial network will "come back to life" and start conquering its habitat again. The main mycelial growth takes place when temperatures are between 20° and 30° Celsius. Spring and Summer. Then when Fall comes, it will have found new sources of nutrients and thus energy and fruiting will be triggered by the temperatures cooling down and high ambient humidity.
Wow, makes alot of sense. Thanks for the info Kahuna.
However, this makes me wonder even more at the exception of P. Ovoideocystidiata to this rule. Could you perhaps shed some light?
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14354942 - 04/26/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know what the reason for some species to fruit during Spring. Adaption of some sort. Some species fruit throughout Spring, Summer and Fall, too. Others fruit twice a year, in Spring and Fall. But some are strict Fall fruiters and to the best of my knowledge and my experience of more than twenty years of hunting them I can definitely say that Psilocybe semilanceata is one of the latter.
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14354993 - 04/26/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Look for Panaeolus cinctulus (Syn. Panaeolus subbalteatus)
They grow from April to November all over the UK. In order to see the map, click on the (blue) letters/numbers:
http://www.fieldmycology.net/FRDBI/FRDBIrecord.asp?intGBNum=34284
Some Scots experienced already the effects of Panaeolus cinctulus (subbalteatus)... 
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u2k06532n1127671/
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: Sporulator]
#14355048 - 04/26/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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awesome! thanks!
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: NoobWithShrooms]
#14355230 - 04/26/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Preferred habitats of Panaeolus cinctulus (subbalteatus) are horse pastures, rotting straw (piles) and gardens manured by horse dung from stables (mixture of horse poo and straw).
Edited by Sporulator (04/26/11 01:27 PM)
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NoobWithShrooms
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: Sporulator]
#14355740 - 04/26/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Could you give me a short description, I done some research but I want to be safe
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: NoobWithShrooms]
#14355803 - 04/26/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want to be safe then post an ID request when you find some mushrooms.
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: NoobWithShrooms]
#14358689 - 04/26/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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NoobWithShrooms said: Could you give me a short description, I done some research but I want to be safe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_cinctulus
         
The color of dried out P. cinctulus mushrooms can be almost white.

Edited by Sporulator (06/09/11 12:32 PM)
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NoobWithShrooms
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Re: could liberty caps grow in scotland in spring? even rarely? [Re: Sporulator]
#14361448 - 04/27/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks I'll keep my eye out for them
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