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 mjshroomer
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 Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria 
#1602875 - 06/02/03 08:55 PM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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So, people down under are out in the pastures. They are collecting Psilocybe cubensis and Copelandia cyanescens. They are looking in manure for these magic shrooms. And all of the time they are most likely walking right past Psilocybe semilanceata, the liberty cap shroom which is hiding in the tall rank grass and/or around clumps of sedge grasses and other wild greasses in the fields.
I know they are there. I picked some myself in the 1980s. So what gives. Very few hardly ever report picking the worlds most special mushroom in Australia and that is the liberty cap.
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: mjshroomer]
#1602931 - 06/02/03 09:14 PM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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ill have to get on the job then... do you think it would be worth looking in grasses around boggy wetlands, swamps...?
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 Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: mjshroomer]
#1602972 - 06/02/03 09:25 PM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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I thought Liberty caps only grew in cold weather...I guess thats a myth?
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: angryshroom]
#1602987 - 06/02/03 09:32 PM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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it is autumn in australia... I dont think too many people are out pickin cubes and copes at the moment... not in Victoria anyway.
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MagmaManiac
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: ferret]
#1603120 - 06/02/03 10:23 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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YOU STUPID AUSTRALIANS! 
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: MagmaManiac]
#1603151 - 06/02/03 10:33 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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I was walking down by a swamp and this reed grass or tall grass was growing and bent down to wash my show and found these small thin frail mushrooms growing everywhere.... wish they were liberties, could have been  guess ill never know.
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: ferret]
#1603176 - 06/02/03 10:39 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
it is autumn in australia... I dont think too many people are out pickin cubes and copes at the moment... not in Victoria anyway.
You dont think its Fucking Cold enough in victoria ferret, BULL SHIT, Im freezing me dam ass off.
But all the shrooms iv been picking keep me warm and fuzzy  .
But anyway there is a fucken tone of shrooms this year, I think this might be my best season for me, Iv found bloody heaps yep shroomen again
Maybee we should hook up 4 a hunt ferret.?
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 Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: MagmaManiac]
#1603190 - 06/02/03 10:44 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
YOU STUPID AUSTRALIANS!
 Stupid HUH ,Skreew you, Who you callen stupid.
I dont think bluemeane would take to kindly calling him stupid, And nither dose any other dude hear. 
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MagmaManiac
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: geko127]
#1603263 - 06/02/03 11:10 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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i love you guys, that was what i like to call a little joke.
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria *DELETED* [Re: MagmaManiac]
#1603486 - 06/03/03 01:17 AM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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Post deleted by Reverend_Jim_JonesReason for deletion: Suspect / stupid folks like Hughbie Doobie - "Anywho, I reckon it'd be fun to have a big Shroomery hunting entourage some time actually during the season. Anybody else who's game post here, then when we know what's happening, we can do the whole exchange of phone numbers, and finally a time and place for a meeting. "
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Now that is interesting MJ, as ive spoken to a number of people regarding Ps.Semilanceata and it has only ever been confirmed and reported in areas of considerable altitude (Mount Buffalo National Park, Victoria and Mount Field Tasmania). Reports that I found on the internet of a young girl in St.Albans, Melbourne who had an accidental injestion of what was described as Semilanceata are doubtful, but you never know i suppose.
A professor (Ferret you might know this guy) in Botany told me that you will not find Semilanceata in areas below 300 above sea level in Australia.
Please pm me with a location so we can check this out MJ.
Come on MJ - Victorians looking for cubensis?? Maybe in people's rooms??
You did recently post that Semilanceata was reported in Auckland, New Zealand, and after examining texts by Buchanan and Guzman, I can only find it found in New Zealand again at altitude in the South Island - and I HAVE picked it in the South Island of New Zealand (where I had my first mushroom experience)
As for dumb Australians - we are because we give americans visas sometimes because they wish to visit a state that isnt draconian.
The US holds more of it citizens in jail than the amounnt held by the rest of the first world combined, and has a ratio of sentencing to death 10% innocent people.
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1603939 - 06/03/03 08:47 AM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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hahaha, i agree
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angryshroom
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1605102 - 06/03/03 02:51 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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Okay, I was going to say... how the hell would Liberty caps and cubensis/Copelandia cyanescens be growing in the same field at the same time... !!!
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: angryshroom]
#1605435 - 06/03/03 04:08 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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The same way P. stuntzii, P. fimetaria, P. sierrae, P. strictipes and P. baeocystis can all be found in the same field at the same time. Although I usually only find two or three of them in a given field and never a lot in quatity.
The same way P. cyanescens and P. cyanofibrilosa and/or P. azurescens can be in the same mulched garden at the same time. And allthree can cross over and appear in grassy areas from muclh beds at the same time.
The same way P. cubensis and Copelandia cyanescens can be in the same field at the same time.
To begin with, the liberty cap does not grow from manure. It grows in manured soil attached to the roots of wild grasses.
And here is a picture of P. cyanescens side by side with P. azuresens.
can you see the difference between the azurescens and the cyanescens in both images.
Stijve and I have even collected two different species of Copelandia in one cow pie before and that si easy for them to be together.
In Thailand I have picked Copelandia cyanescens, Psilocybe cubensis and Psilocybe samuiensis, Panaeolius antillarum and large Lepiotas as well as some species of Stropharia at the same time in the same fieldi in the same rice padies, which is evident on the video clip at the Hawkseye websirte of me shrooming in Thailand in 2001.
HEre is my hand holding one Copelandia cyanescens, one Psilocybe coprophila and several panaeolus sphinctriunuus. They were found in a single cowpie.
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: mjshroomer]
#1605556 - 06/03/03 04:55 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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Well, that makes sense... about cyanescens and azurescens...Same with Stunzii and the other cold weather mushroooms...but, I was asking why/how could liberty caps and Ps. cubensis be growing in the same field at the same time. One is a cold weather mushroom and one is a warm one... I just wanted to verify this.
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: angryshroom]
#1605743 - 06/03/03 05:46 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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yea it some seem kind off odd to me too, except maybe in DOWN UNDER its possible...
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mjshroomer
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: MagmaManiac]
#1606374 - 06/03/03 09:47 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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P. cubensis and Copelandia cyanescens can grow at high altitudes where the weather is a bit colder. I have picked Copelandias on maui at the 3200 meter lever but have also seen them a five thousand feet up the mountain. Liberty caps are commonin Peru at very high altitudes.
Even in Austrralia you can find them in a higher climate and still find cubes and blue meanies.
While P. samuiensis is close to P. mexicana, a pasture mushroom, it is also related to a liberty cap mushroom and they grow side byu side in Thailand.
I just found apicture of the two and now i cannot find it again in my files.. I will post it later.
P.s.
Liberty caps also grow in warmer weaher in Pune, India.
mj
Regarding P. stuntzii, it is also a spring and summer mushroom in warmer weather and int he late falla cold weather mushroms growin in mulch towards the winter months. My first picking of P. stuntzii was on the lawn of the art museum at Volunteer park on July 2, 1974. A very hot day in Seattle.
mjshroomer
HEre is a picture formthe hawkseye Group of my hand with Samuiensis and my frined Treavis with some cubes he picked a few inches form my samuiensis
<a href="https://files.shroomery.org/files/042903-22/72650-samcubesks1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="/forums/thumbs/042903-22/72650-thumb_samcubesks1.jpg"></a>
Edited by mjshroomer (06/03/03 10:01 PM)
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: mjshroomer]
#1606410 - 06/03/03 10:02 PM (22 years, 22 days ago) |
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mj
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria *DELETED* [Re: mjshroomer]
#1606934 - 06/04/03 01:32 AM (22 years, 21 days ago) |
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Post deleted by Reverend_Jim_JonesReason for deletion: Suspect / stupid folks like Hughbie Doobie - "Anywho, I reckon it'd be fun to have a big Shroomery hunting entourage some time actually during the season. Anybody else who's game post here, then when we know what's happening, we can do the whole exchange of phone numbers, and finally a time and place for a meeting. "
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Zen Peddler
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Semilanceata? Interesting...
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1607611 - 06/04/03 10:47 AM (22 years, 21 days ago) |
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MJ: I'm glad you began this thread because I've become rater interested in finding the less commonly found/ used species of shrooms around here.
i.e. Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe cyansecens(??), Panaeolus ater, Panaeolus campanulatus/ papilionaceus, Panaeolus retirugis, Gymnopilus spectabilis/ junonius, sapineus, purpuratus have all been reported from Victoria alone.
Lately I have been keeping a look out for P.semilanceata, but have found none as of yet.
Wouldn?t altitude generally have to do with cooler temps/ condensation and thus frequently available moisture ideal for shroom production?
So in theory shouldn?t certain areas of Victoria should provide ideal conditions for P.cubensis & Copelandia cyanescens?
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: Adrian]
#1608229 - 06/04/03 02:34 PM (22 years, 21 days ago) |
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Both of those latter shrooms grow at sea level as well as at high altitudes.
Forget ater, campanulatus, teurugis P. cyanescens and panaeolus papilionaceus. Only worry about P. subaeruginosa, P cubensis and Copelandia cyanescens and then the liberty caps. in that order you will find them most likely
Of course look out for farmers int he paddocks. They do report to l,.ocal constables your prowling int heir habitats.
also read my article int he general forum here on ingestions down under. Some locales for some shrooms are probived inthe literature I added.
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: Adrian]
#1614220 - 06/06/03 08:32 AM (22 years, 19 days ago) |
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Id say it comes down to conditions. I have seen dried specimens that are available in a herbarium from Mount Buffalo Nat. Park. so they are around and ive read all sorts of bizzare reports in various city suburbs.
As for Ps.Cyanescens, both the mycologists that originally described it as being found in Australia have conceded that the mushroom in question was a variant of Subaeruginosa with lageniform cystidia and larger hyaline spores. These characteristics were identical with those described by Australiana/Subaeruginosa.
Certainly Subaeruginosa's hyaline cystidia and characteristics place it firmly in the Cyanescens family, but to describe Cyanescens in Australia and New Zealand would be claiming synonymy between Subaeruginosa and Cyanescens which is contentious.
Ps.Cyanescens differs greatly between europe and US, so it is possible that the different substrate choice (softwoods), slight microscopic differences and inrolled cap margin are all just regional variations or adaptions of an older introduced Cyanescens specimen, which was Buchanan's contention.
Further studies are coming - stay tuned!!
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Re: Liberty Caps In New South Wales and Victoria [Re: Zen Peddler]
#1614221 - 06/06/03 08:34 AM (22 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ive been sent spores of an active panaeolus from Victoria - assuming it is Cyanescens, then it may occur here under the right conditions.
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