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liberty caps?
    #826992 - 08/19/02 01:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

A friend found these in Tassie but I was unsure about the spliting cap - look like liberty caps??


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #827093 - 08/19/02 02:29 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The one on the left looks like it has a similar cap. I thought they had white stems though. Take a spore print, let us know. Also, where were they found? What habitat?


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #827159 - 08/19/02 03:46 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry but those are not liberty caps m the stems are too dark. They should be straw yellownot the colour in your images and the caps are too thick.

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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #827864 - 08/19/02 11:42 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: liberty caps? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #831694 - 08/21/02 12:35 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ill let the guy know - i thought they were, but i havent seen a spore-print from his find yet. From pics in stamets they just looked similar. thanks everyone!


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #831725 - 08/21/02 01:08 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Also the shape of the cap is all wrong.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: drow]
    #831736 - 08/21/02 01:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

really? Maybe because of the inturned margin? Otherwise they had me fooled - we dont get those very often in Australia and ive never seen a confirmed fresh specimen before so all your input is greatly appreciated.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #835449 - 08/22/02 09:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

They look like a species of "Panaeolus". I am 90% sure that they are. 10% could mean death or illness. I am picking the same kind at my spot and if they are the species i am almost certain of they are Hallucinogenic.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #835838 - 08/22/02 01:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

bm, mj's right they are too thick-fleshed. did you see them while they wher still moist? if so was the coloration diferent?

shroom666, to wich panaeolus species are you refering?


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: canid]
    #836483 - 08/22/02 05:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck knows what type but i have been recently picking ones which have an uncanny resembleance.
(dip do do dip)


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #837144 - 08/23/02 12:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

They arent psychoactive pans or Copelandias because they didnt stain blue. All ive seen of these are this photo from a contact in Tasmania. Thanx for your help guys - ill pass the info on!


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #837393 - 08/23/02 06:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Dude many active pans do not stain blue. The ones which i am picking at the moment do not. Still real trippy.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #838776 - 08/23/02 06:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

no way! Every Copelandia I am aware of contains psilocin and related alkaloids - they all stain blue if their active. Generally it is only grass related psilocybes such as Semilanceata and allies that do not stain blue due to their high psilocybin/baeocystin content and low or nil psilocin content.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #838803 - 08/23/02 06:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I was refering to subs. Also other active pans which DO NOT stain blue. Liberty caps always stain blue man.
At the moment i am pickin an unknown type of pan which does not stain blue, it is very fuckin trippy though.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #838846 - 08/23/02 07:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry your right about pan subs, but as they are so weakly active, i didnt consider them - if you have an unknown pan why not get some specimens identified by a mycologist??


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #838848 - 08/23/02 07:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

>Liberty caps always stain blue man.

Wrong again, they don't always stain blue
The mushrooms in the picture are also most likely not pans, the caps look wrong.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Gumby]
    #838884 - 08/23/02 07:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I should have said all the 1000s upon 1000s i have found always have staind blue.
I do not know any cool mycologist dudes and -1digital camera, i`m fucked on getting an id, damn trippy whatever they maybe


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #839170 - 08/23/02 09:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

shroom666, if you have access to a scanner you can use it to make some pics., they won't be great but it works in a pinch.
As far as the semis, many of the specimens i find show little or no bluing, but i take great care with them to preserve potency when drying.
Anyway, if you like i can try to help you identify the pans you are finding.

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Re: liberty caps? [Re: canid]
    #839626 - 08/24/02 03:44 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Let me reiterate - i doubt it very much that the specimens that you are finding that stain blue are Ps.Semilanceata - i know for a fact that they 'RARELY' if ever stain blue and if they do it is not significant. Are you sure about the mushroom in question 666?


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #839650 - 08/24/02 04:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I know my libbys a mile off. Little or heavy bluing always occured with my picks.
No access to scan, pretty shit heh?
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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #839881 - 08/24/02 07:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What kind of whack lib caps have you been picking bluemeanie? They definately stain blue, quite often before picking at the base, and once picked all over.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #839902 - 08/24/02 07:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I totally agree dude,
(Uk is home to blue stainers, maybe picks his in iraq?)


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #840008 - 08/24/02 09:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

dude i have only seen a handful of liberty caps stain blue


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Dobie]
    #840021 - 08/24/02 09:15 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

That is strange, never seen any that do not stain blue.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #840047 - 08/24/02 09:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

maybe we are on to somthing here man


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: Dobie]
    #840054 - 08/24/02 09:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe soemthing to do with lib caps in different countries? If ours are different in that they always stain blue, then perhaps they are different in potency.


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #840062 - 08/24/02 09:42 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm maybe when they start poppin up a little bit more i will go pick some and post some pics


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #841483 - 08/25/02 01:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I havent been picking Libs but i know that the ones i Australia, New Zealand and America dont generally stain blue - maybe slightly at the base, but that's it...


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Re: liberty caps? [Re: shroom666]
    #841537 - 08/25/02 02:44 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hey there are at laest three other species which grow in pastures and resemble Psilocybe semilanceata. Originally there were two species. p. semilanceata and p. semilanceata var. caerulescens, the latter ones were ones that ocassionaly stained blue on the stipe, not necessarily at the base of the stem..

Now you have Psioclybe strictipes which originally was known as P. callosa, a blue staining looking liberty cap, and P. sierrae (formerly P. subfimetaria), the latter sometimes has a small ring on it). Both grow side by side in fields of liberty caps and both resemble liberty caps to some degree or other and they do get blue staining in them..

Mj.

But liberty caps (P. semilanceata as a whole rarely stain blue.

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Re: liberty caps? [Re: RemiMartin]
    #843179 - 08/26/02 12:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Now that makes sense


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