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Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help.
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Hey.
I plan on growing peruvian torches and peyote plants from seed.
I would just like to know whether my set-up is decent enough.
I plan to use soil made up with a mix of vermiculite, perlite and cactus soil.
Is this sufficient?

I have a designated grow area, and on it I keep a 160 watt, dual-spectrum light (9600 lumen output). It may seem uneconomical to use it on such slow growing plants, but it's already on a 12-12 on/off cycle due to other plants I grow indoors.
Would the plants grow successfully with this light source?

I would also be interested in grafting the peyote onto the peruvian torches. I would try graft them onto pereskiopsis, but the graft stock is unavailable to me.
Would it be possible to graft the peyote seedling directly onto a peruvian torch seedling?

Any guidance would be very welcomed.
Thanks. :peyotespectrum:
PS. Please excuse my bad grammar.


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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: Fronnis]
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The soil mix is not exactly what I would use but should work well enough for the Trichoereus. You consider supplementing the mix with more perlite/pumice for better drainage. 

Eliminate vermiculite from the Lophophora mix. It could cause problems later requiring you to transplant the seedlings earlier than you would need to otherwise. Good results with Lophophora can be obtained from purely mineral substrates such as coarse sharp sand or other mineral based mixes.

A 12/12 cycle is kind of silly for cactus seedlings as they can easily take 18/6 or 20/4 and increased light time results in much quicker growth. The growers I know who get the fastest results start seedlings under lights with those sorts of light cycles. 12/12 won't hurt though. Keep the seedlings away from the lights at first as they don't need that much light. Lophophora can take more light earlier than Trichocereus. A fluorescent fixture is more than adequate for the first several months. Keep soil temperatures around 75-85 F (23-30 C) during the light cycle.

Make sure to sow seeds on the surface of the soil. They need light in order to germinate.

As for grafting, you could graft the Lophophora seedlings on to Trichocereus stock once they are of sufficient diameter which is around 1 cm, but grafting onto a Trichocereus seedling would serve little purpose. Myrtillocactus geometrizians, Stetsonia coryne, Hylocereus spp., Echinopsis spachianus among others make fairly decent grafting stock. Pereskiopsis is the best for increasing growth in seedlings however. Lophophora can flower within 8 mo. (or less!) of germination when grafted to Pereskiopsis.


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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: naum]
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Great, thank you very much for the info :smile:.
I would love to make use of pereskiopsis as a grafting stock, but I am finding it very hard to obtain a cutting. I have checked all my local nurseries, but none stock on the plant.
I have tried ebay and found cuttings at an adequate price, but the shipping fee to the UK is too much for me.
I will have a go looking for the grafting stocks you mentioned to me, but so far I can only find seeds at reasonable prices for me to use.

I believe I have read somewhere that cactus of the selenicereus genus can graft decently with lophophora.
I have access to selenicereus grandiflorus cuttings, would this be suitable for grafting seedlings?
Thank you very much for your help.

I apologize if anything I write doesn't make much sense, I don't have too much experience working with cacti.


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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: Fronnis]
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Hi Fronnis, I've only just dipped my toes into this subject but MOD EDIT: Removed non-sponsor link have Myrtillocactus grafting stock and according to them

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Blue myrtle are perfect for grafting and boosting your peyote and other plants. Unlike pereskiopsis your plants do not need to be regrafted after a short while. Also, as the leaves fall off pereskiopsis (and it ships badly)it looses its vigour myrtillocactus always continues vigorous growth. 



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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: UK Explorer]
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UK Explorer said:
Hi Fronnis, I've only just dipped my toes into this subject but MOD EDIT: Removed non-sponsor link have Myrtillocactus grafting stock and according to them

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Blue myrtle are perfect for grafting and boosting your peyote and other plants. Unlike pereskiopsis your plants do not need to be regrafted after a short while. Also, as the leaves fall off pereskiopsis (and it ships badly)it looses its vigour myrtillocactus always continues vigorous growth. 



That's interesting to hear.
I find this all fascinating, do you have any interest to also grow any psycho cacti UK Explorer?

If it is a worthy pereskiopsis alternative, paying the £4 for 3-4 plants in a pot (along with the local postage) sounds to be quite a good deal.
Does anyone know though whether this would be suitable for young lophophora seedling, or should the plant already be left for more growth before attempting a graft? :confused:

I'm thinking to maybe buy a pereskiopsis cutting, letting it grow then making cuttings for every graft of lophophora I want to attempt, and once it has reached the point of needing to be re-grafted, graft it onto the myrtillocactus.


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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: Fronnis]
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I grew some peruvian torches from seed.  I was very successful using a 50/50 mix of a standard cactus soil and a fox-farm happy frog soil.  It provided lots of nutes and good drainage.  I started the seeds in a tupperware with plastic wrap to maintain humidity until they began forming... then slowly crept the plastic wrap back.  They grew fast at first then rather slow.... after a year maybe an inch or two tall.  At the same time I got some 6" cuttings.... the one that is left is now over 3 feet tall.  I used only south facing window light, and in the summer let them live outdoors after acclimating to full sun over a week.

Cacti are relatively easy to grow, although slow from seed.  You might strongly consider cuttings which you can multiply much quicker than seed.

~Cheers.


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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: psillymathhead]
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I was thinking about growing peruvian torches, but I realized that the potency of peyote would be substantially higher by weight, and with the speed of growth grafting offers, it should just take 2 years to begin harvesting, rather than about 7.
I also love the look of the plant quite a lot oddly enough :P.
Cuttings and potted plants are hard to come by within England, and to ship them it is so expensive. I remember though finding potted pachanoi plants for quite cheap at a UK based site, but I cannot find it right now :/.
Have you thought about grafting peyote onto your cacti? I don't know if it stunts the growth of the stock plant though, which would be a bummer.
Cheers :biggrin:.


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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: Fronnis]
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No I have not thought about grafting... I tried to germinate for peyote seeds, but none hatched.  I have had rather good success with other cacti seeds so likely I had a bad bunch.

Is peyote grafted really the same...?


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Re: Help growing peyote & torches. Grafting help. [Re: psillymathhead]
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I don't know of any actual research onto the subject of grafted peyote and it's potency. In theory, the grafted peyote would be less potent by weight to normal grown peyote due to the higher water content, but the amount potency is still held as being higher than that of other cacti.
I have also heard that degrafting the lophophora plant onto its own roots and waiting 6 months-a year would let the plant produce significantly more mescaline.
This is all just speculation though, it may be possible that a lophophora, grafted for just a year would have a similar potency level of a lophophora grown from its roots for years.


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