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Paradox
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i just thought of the weirdest paradox i have ever thought of.

alright, the speed of light in MPH is 670,616,629mph. say your traveling at 670,616,630MPH. 1 mile an hour faster than the speed of light.

so they say your always looking into the past. It takes time in order for light thats reflecting off of everything in your field of vision, to reach your eyes and to have your brain comprehend that into a picture.

so say your traveling that one mile per hour over the speed of light. what would you see???? complete darkness since your escaping light?? or would everything thats in your field of vision, just completely stand still??

or even more confusing.. say your traveling at the exact same speed of light. wtf would you see?? omg its so confusing!! its a complete paradox..

in order to travel into the past, one would have to completely switch time around backwards i.e... make light travel backwards? this is all hypothetically because apparently.. one can only travel into the future, not the past.. as far as we know now.. omg somebody help lol


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Re: Paradox [Re: tripp23]
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your in the past too because memories form in the present and made in the future

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Re: Paradox [Re: TrollTendencies]
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TrollTendencies said:
your in the past too because memories form in the present and made in the future


holy fuck you just confused the shit outta me lol

so your saying.. im made in the past cuz.. my memories are formed in the present and by the time i thought of that, im in the future??


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Re: Paradox [Re: tripp23]
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tripp23 said:
i just thought of the weirdest paradox i have ever thought of.

alright, the speed of light in MPH is 670,616,629mph. say your traveling at 670,616,630MPH. 1 mile an hour faster than the speed of light.

so they say your always looking into the past. It takes time in order for light thats reflecting off of everything in your field of vision, to reach your eyes and to have your brain comprehend that into a picture.

so say your traveling that one mile per hour over the speed of light. what would you see???? complete darkness since your escaping light?? or would everything thats in your field of vision, just completely stand still??



You wouldn't see anything since the eyes are responsive to photons. You need light to see anything.
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or even more confusing.. say your traveling at the exact same speed of light. wtf would you see?? omg its so confusing!! its a complete paradox..



You would probably see visual distortions all around as light catches up to you.
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in order to travel into the past, one would have to completely switch time around backwards i.e... make light travel backwards? this is all hypothetically because apparently.. one can only travel into the future, not the past.. as far as we know now.. omg somebody help lol

How would you make light travel 'backwards'? Whichever direction it travels is always forward.


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Re: Paradox [Re: tripp23]
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tripp23 said:
TrollTendencies said:
your in the past too because memories form in the present and made in the future


holy fuck you just confused the shit outta me lol

so your saying.. im made in the past cuz.. my memories are formed in the present and by the time i thought of that, im in the future??


I think he means that the world  you see around you is actually the past and not the present because it takes time for your brain to process sensory information into awareness.


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Re: Paradox [Re: tripp23]
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its called stress:rolleyes:

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Re: Paradox [Re: TrollTendencies]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Critique_of_Pure_Reason


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Re: Paradox [Re: The_Ghost]
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The_Ghost said:
tripp23 said:
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in order to travel into the past, one would have to completely switch time around backwards i.e... make light travel backwards? this is all hypothetically because apparently.. one can only travel into the future, not the past.. as far as we know now.. omg somebody help lol

How would you make light travel 'backwards'? Whichever direction it travels is always forward.


exactly why they say you can only travel into the future. fun to think about right?

thanks for giving me a decent answer lol its so confusing but fun

but i have another example in a way..

gravity slows down time. scientist say.. if you got sucked into a black hole. you would be frozen alive in time but completely alive and aware and conscious n all that. now say that theory is true. what would happen if you added just a little bit more of force of gravity?


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Re: Paradox [Re: tripp23]
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so why would traveling faster than light make us travel into the future or even the past in the first place?  Isn't light just an object, why would traveling faster than it have any affect on reality and other objects in the universe?  I dunno if ive just never thought about it or what

If light is basically "instant", what does instant plus 1 do for us?  How do we know light isn't already traveling "plus 1" and we can't tell because of the affect it may have?  Now what about the other end, is anything truely standing still?  what would happen if we traveled 0  "minus 1"?  I know that probly isn't the correct way of saying it but im sure you get what im saying.


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Re: Paradox [Re: makaveli8x8]
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You CAN'T travel faster than the speed of light. There is no paradox, because the condition in which the paradox arises cannot exist.

If you travel AT the speed of light, your journey is literally instantaneous (from your perspective). That's what Einstein's relativity means.
You know the story of the astronaut who travels 90% light speed to Alpha Centauri and back, and even though for him it only takes a few weeks, when he gets back his four year old daughter is suddenly teenager? Well, if he'd done 99% light speed, he would experience just a couple of days of travel. Extend this all the way to 100% light speed, and you can see how it would take zero time.
So to ask what you would see at light speed is a moot point, because there is literally no time in which to see anything.

It's a weird concept, but I'm told it's the truth.
Time does not exist at light speed. But you need maths to prove it.


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Re: Paradox [Re: tripp23]
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tripp23 said:
so say your traveling that one mile per hour over the speed of light. what would you see???? complete darkness since your escaping light?? or would everything thats in your field of vision, just completely stand still??




You can't reach the speed of light, let alone go over it...






But sorta along the lines of what you're getting at I think...If you are traveling at 99% the speed of light and pointed a laser beam in front of you the laser will travel away from you at the speed of light from your observational standpoint.

But from someone standing aside and watching, the laser will move at the speed of light and you will be moving at 99%.








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Re: Paradox [Re: openmind]
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openmind said:
You can't reach the speed of light, let alone go over it.


Actually, you can reach it, provided that you have infinite energy.
Which sounds absurd, but we're f*ckin' half-evolved monkeys. What do we know.


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Re: Paradox [Re: laserpig]
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ok what if a person build a machine that can travel 99% the speed of light, and this machine was say...1 or 10 or w/e "miles" long

Then inside this machine was another machine, and then you manage to drive that machine to 99% the speed of light before hitting the haul


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Re: Paradox [Re: laserpig]
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I haven't read through all the responses but this is what I think:

Because light originates from many sources you'll be perceiving the light at a faster rate, if you're looking in the direction you're traveling (like life in fast forward, probably burning your eyes).  While if you're looking in the opposite direction you will see absolute darkness, as light can't catch you).

Example; Traveling towards Proxima Centauri (4.2 LY away) at the speed of light you will see all 4.2 years of light but at a faster rate then when you slow down to orbit or view the star it will be back down to normal perception speed.

Think if there is a star that is traveling away from our solar system at a s relative speed faster than light, we wouldn't be able to see that star.  Or vice versa a star traveling at a relative speed faster than light towards us we'd see the light at a faster rate, causing a twinkling as we witness massive events on that star at faster speed with less time between their intervals.

If that makes sense.


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Re: Paradox [Re: tripp23]
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I was talking about this in another thread the other day. You would still be seeing whatever you were rushing towards only faster than you were before. Time would not stop or go backwards. It would continue going forwards only slower relative to you.

Here is the other thread.


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Re: Paradox [Re: destructo_low]
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so say your traveling that one mile per hour over the speed of light. what would you see???? complete darkness since your escaping light?? or would everything thats in your field of vision, just completely stand still??



have you ever broken through on Salvia?

its neat how Einstein's theories parallel aspects of the experience in unexpected ways


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Re: Paradox [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said:
You CAN'T travel faster than the speed of light. There is no paradox, because the condition in which the paradox arises cannot exist.



you can't accelerate faster than light but if you are already going faster than light you can continue going faster
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Because a tachyon moves faster than the speed of light, we cannot see it approaching. After a tachyon has passed nearby, we would be able to see two images of it, appearing and departing in opposite directions.


I would also point out that the easiest way to think about this "paradox" is to consider the sound barrier (something we already surpassed)


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Re: Paradox [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
ok what if a person build a machine that can travel 99% the speed of light, and this machine was say...1 or 10 or w/e "miles" long

Then inside this machine was another machine, and then you manage to drive that machine to 99% the speed of light before hitting the haul



Time slows down for the second machine, so it doesn't actually reach a higher speed.


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Re: Paradox [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
so why would traveling faster than light make us travel into the future or even the past in the first place? 


Relativity states that the speed of travel is relative to the speed of time.  Faster you go, the slower time becomes.

Space - time is not a linear state.

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Re: Paradox [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said:
You CAN'T travel faster than the speed of light. There is no paradox, because the condition in which the paradox arises cannot exist.


dont be so sure about that, they've discovered that light can travel faster than the speed of light



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