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OfflineKaleidoscope
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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #5466122 - 04/01/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Brandon said:
It's not actually 8.33, but 8.33333333333333 repeated, so it's not really a penny missing, but a fraction of one, which just gets rounded out of existence




true...and herein lies where mathematics become less of a concrete thing and more of an abstract thing.

in pure math yes, it splits to 8 and 1/3. but 1/3 can not be completely accurately reflected with money because it is represented in an even based numerical system. so my question stands...in reality...where did the penny go, and why did it go where it went.


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5466125 - 04/01/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I know what you are saying. I am just trying to argue my point regardless. (The .99... = 1 point, that is.)


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5466137 - 04/01/06 01:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Lakefingers said:
A few of you have been on to this:

forget the .3333333 part. That doesn't prove or disprove the argument. We don't need to know how the money would be divided between the three to prove that the premises are invalid and contradictory.

For the third time: the problem is in the reader's clumsy interpretation of the "paradox".



:thumbup:


RE: triad

Just reread your post, man. 

I'm done with this thread. 




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InvisibleNoetical
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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Cowgold]
    #5466139 - 04/01/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

x= 1.11...


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Triad]
    #5466140 - 04/01/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, that's definitely an interesting point. But it has nothing to do with proving or disproving the content of the first post.


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5466152 - 04/01/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here is a good paradox if you know integration

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GabrielsHorn.html

The horn shaped object known as gabriels horn. It can hold a finite volume but has an infinte surface area.

I posted this in another thread tonght, I wonder what made it pop in my brain twice today?


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5466160 - 04/01/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well I mean, I think it's the same point as the orignal question, just refined to it's lowest abstraction.


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: DieCommie]
    #5466162 - 04/01/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

gabriels trumpet is spooky, really.


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: DieCommie]
    #5466166 - 04/01/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Now where did the $1 go on that bad boy ???


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Noetical]
    #5466176 - 04/01/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm about to try to work this problem out in base 3. if I can handle that in my state right now...I'll post it.


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5466231 - 04/01/06 01:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:


x = .99...
10x = 9.99...
10x - x = 9
9x = 9
x = 1

At least I think thats how it goes.





x = .99...
10x = 9.99...
if x=.99
10x-x = 10(.99)-(.99) = 8.91

this part is wrong...
10x - x = 9
9x = 9
x = 1

9x does not equal 9... 9x = 9(.99) = 8.91


Edited by Delusionz (04/01/06 02:02 AM)


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Delusionz]
    #5466235 - 04/01/06 01:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no that was wrong entirely
I completely fucked that up...I'm drunk as hell


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5466248 - 04/01/06 02:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

let me try this again...
Code:

in base three

1002 - 12 = 220 <---that accounts for the deal.

220/10 = 22.1 <---the deal split three ways.

tip = 2

leaving 1 per person or 10 total.

22.1*10 + 10 + 2 = 1002



where is the paradox again? I see all money as accounted for. Of course it is apparently a stipulation that all money must stay in increments of a dollar at least, so this shit is worthless, but it was good practice and fun to do cause I'm a nerd.


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Edited by Kaleidoscope (04/01/06 02:25 AM)


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Delusionz]
    #5466252 - 04/01/06 02:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't see where the hell you guys come up with that from? The whole 8.91 thing.


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Triad]
    #5466256 - 04/01/06 02:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

pi





















think about it


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Tattoo]
    #5466258 - 04/01/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's deep.

9x = 9 (.9999999999999999999999999999 repeated) = 8.99999999999999999 repeated = 9


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5466260 - 04/01/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I thought you were going to give a shot at that physic defying rusty trombone


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Triad]
    #5466261 - 04/01/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you have a lot to learn, and I have a lot to teach


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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: Triad]
    #5466263 - 04/01/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

e^(i*pi) = -1
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Re: mathematical paradox [Re: DieCommie]
    #5466306 - 04/01/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I can't get the plug-in to work, but I'm going to take a look at the math...


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