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advice on traveling/hiking?
    #5356761 - 03/02/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm thinking of going traveling sometime.
I want to do a hike too but I'm not really sure where. Anywhere that is completely in nature.

I don't really know what I'd need besides a tent , food , clothes and water.

I'm in the UK, does anyone know of any good hiking trails?

what do i need to know to go on a hike and be safe?
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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5356771 - 03/02/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Small 1st aid kit too. Some antihistamines. I usually pack a pistol too, but I don't think the UK looks too kindly on hippies packing heat. :shrug: A GOOD (a decent fixed blade) knife. A smallish hand axe. A magnifying glass (can come in handy as a last resort fire starter). Extra boot laces, several sets... they come in handy. A couple of those 15 min road flares. A bottle of those water purification tablets.

This is just off the top of my head... how long are you wanting to stay gone? That'll determine a lot of what you have to lug around.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5356784 - 03/02/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Send shroomism a pm or talk to him on AIM.Im pretty sure he is more than ready to live life in a post apocalyptic world.
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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: mediman0078]
    #5356801 - 03/02/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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This is just off the top of my head... how long are you wanting to stay gone? That'll determine a lot of what you have to lug around.




hopefully about a month , mybe more.

But i'd mybe do some shorter ones first.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5356824 - 03/02/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Read up on basic wilderness survival stuff, not so much to depend on while your out, but to make your life easier in the bush. If I was going that long, i wouldn't try packing that much food... I'd hunt for it.You can get sporting shotguns in the UK, right? That'd save you alot of weight if you could just hunt up some food. Or learn some basic trapping techniques. Go fishing. There's a lot of edible plants to pick too, but that is a bit more difficult if you don't know what to look for.
Pack soap, bar soap is the easiest to deal with. Ziplock bags too. A tarp is always handy. An Army folding shovel is a must too. Army MRE's will save you weight in the food department too.

Long trips out like this require some basic knowledge of how to scrounge up everything you'll need from what's available, as packing a months worth of supplies will not really be feasible if you want to hike with it all.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: mediman0078]
    #5356877 - 03/02/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah , thanks i'll look into it.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5356879 - 03/02/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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mediman0078 said:

This is just off the top of my head... how long are you wanting to stay gone? That'll determine a lot of what you have to lug around.




hopefully about a month , mybe more.

But i'd mybe do some shorter ones first.




if you haven't done much or any hiking then going out for a month is foolishness of the first degree.

Start with three and four day adventures. Ge the maps you need for your hike, plot your course. Know how mnay miles you are going to be trying to kie a day and plan accordingly. Let someone know when you expect to arrive at the terminus, if you aren't there they can get wooried. Its good if you can to take a satelitle cell phone, only powered on when you are in an emergency, so you can call someone if you break a leg etc..


For foods, raman noodles are great, they have plenmty of protein and carbs. There are also extremely light weight. Take some peanut butter and terriyaki, it tastes great in the raman, I know, I use to do it all the time. Also here in the states, MRE's alsways came in handy for me when I was on the trail. Very handy and relatively inexpensive. I was geting them fro free, but I think the price was like # dollars a meal.

A small hatchet, a good knife and whetstone.
Definately a first aid kit.
Rain gear, also try to take as little cotton products as possible. Cotton is the worst thing to be wearing when it gets wet, It draws heat away from your body much more so than wool. Some good gore tex or equivalent.
Take some very good wool socks, especially in the winter.
Not too many changes of clothes, especially if going for a month, be prepared to wear dirty clothes. Changes take up precious space in your pack.
A good comfortable pair of "hiking" boots is mandatory.
A compass, some flares.
A pistol is good in case you stumble across a coven of witches or wookies.
Water tablets, I myself prefer to simply find running water and boil it thoroughly. You must boil it. The tablets are good if you run out of water on the move.
Pot/pan and a eating utensil.
Pack of lighters.
zip loc bags so that you can packeage up your ass wipings.
Rope is very important. Couple of different guages for different situations.
tent, small and lightweight.
sleeping bag, intended for -30 degrees or above is what I carry.
No soap that isn't enviornmentally friendly, though if you are going in the winter I dont see you bathing much.

I will post more as I think of them.

A months hiking trip is very serious and usually not very comfortable. The only real pleasure from it is the oneness with nature, the beuatiful sights you will see both in the landscape and in you own soul.

Please be very careful and see advice from people who have doen it before.

I will be back with more advice as I thinkof it.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5356929 - 03/02/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

WORN(NO COTTON CLOTHING)
Boots (go to a proffesional to be fitted, this is very important, if you are a newbie and going to carry a pack a very long time your feet will grow a half size)
socks (good socks, smartwools)
pants -zipoffs
t-shirt
pocketknife, leatherman
I.D.
sunglasses
chapstick
trekking poles
Hat

PACK
Sleeping bag
Sleeping bad
tentx2? 1 if over45lbs 2if less
footprintx2?
stove w/fuel
pot )(titanium or aluminum cooking untinsils)
utensils
waterfilter
nalgene
camelbak
lighterx2
toothbrush and paste
fingernail clippers ( cuticle cutters)
maps( paper or on etrex)
Shit tickets
Rain gear
woobee top
poly-pro t+b
socksx3 +liners
Lt. wt. gloves
Stocking cap
sunglass lenses
camera
ATM/debit/phone cards +$40
cribbage board+cards
headlamp
trash bags+1ex.
550 cord x30ft
journal+ pencil
ziploc bags
duct tape
Snap link
whistle
toothbrush and paste

Resupply

Socks
Multi Vitamin
Protien?
Fuel canister
Water Filter
550 chord
hammock
clothes
memory card
dehydrated meals

Repair kit
thermarest patches
msr wrench
needles
floss
buttons
safety pins?????
duct tape
rubber bands

First aid kit
pressure dressing
tegaderm
2x2 gauze
newskin or superglue
tweezers
cuticle cutters
alcohol wipes
antibiotics
iodine tabs

2 waterproof stuff sacks for sleeping bag and clothing, one trash bag for a pack cover.

Keep your wieght in mind, I have most of this stuff in my pack and filled with fuel, 5 days of food and water I'm under 35 lbs.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5356948 - 03/02/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

if you haven't done much or any hiking then going out for a month is foolishness of the first degree.

Hiking is pretty safe in most places, as long as you aren't in untainted wilderness with no way out I wouldn't worry about the duration you are setting out for. Just make sure your body and mind is ready for it, hiking is 10% physical and 90% mental.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5356975 - 03/02/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hiking can be very cheap also, you can make a lot of your own stuff from very basic easy to find materials.

I'd recommend experimenting with one of these, they are much cheaper than MSR brand stoves and pack much lighter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_can_stove

http://trailquest.net/dlgcstove.html

Also hammock camping is the wave of the future and packs much lighter than a tent and it's probably a heck of a lot more comfortable.

You won't have to carry a months worth of food or hunt for it unless you really want to, most hiking trails in the USA and the ones I've heard of in the UK have various methods of resupply.

I'd recommend a water filter over idione tablets also, who wants to drink crappy tasting water while busting your ass up a mountain?


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: Adom]
    #5357013 - 03/02/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah< i mean it can be safe, especially on heavily traveled trails. that was never my style though. Also, i mean if you take the wrong gear and it gets wet. You could find yourself very uncomfortable very quickly. So take it serious and be over prepared.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #5357039 - 03/02/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yup, preparation is very important and I guess heading out for the first time for a month is pretty foolish. You'd need a few 3-4 day runs to do a good gear shakedown and know what you want/need, I've carried a lot of rocks in my pack, live and learn.

Keep that sleeping bag dry and keep those socks as dry as possible. If your going to run into a lot of wet weather I'd recommend a synthetic bag, down will take days to dry out and make for many long uncomfortable nights.

To the author of the thread, there is a nice forum for this stuff that might attract more people in the know.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/hiking


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: Adom]
    #5357185 - 03/02/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Don't be taking any firearms with you... good way to get into deep shit as there isnt much chance of being on land that isn't owned by someone... especially don't wander about with a shotgun! If you really want to top an animal and eat it then get a hunting power air rifle that collapses down into a couple of pieces. If you were to hike along the coast, such as the Pembrokeshire coast national park then you could always fish for your food instead? Of course doing this may end in going hungry a lot...


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5357195 - 03/02/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Adom pretty much summed it up. The reason you want NO COTTON.. is because you WILL get wet. Cotton takes very long to dry, and being wet outdoors for extended periods is the number one cause of hypothermia. People seem to think you can't get hypothermia unless you are in extreme cold. This is incorrect. You can get hypothermia and die in 65 degree weather (F). Hypothermia occurs when the core body temperature drops lower than 97? (36? C) due to a lack of heat production. This can be caused by dehydration, illness, or lack of food, in addition to heat loss. The symptoms of hypothermia are called the -umbles... the mumbles, stumbles, fumbles, and grumbles. This shows that the cold is effecting how the persons nerves and muscles work. The best remedy for this is to keep warm and dry. This means changing into dry clothes, and getting inside your sleeping bag. Having someone to rub your limbs will help to restore circulation and generate warmth.

I would not recommend going alone if you are inexperienced. Bring a buddy.

There are the "ten essentials" for survival, and they are:

1. map
2. compass
3. extra clothing
4. fire starter
5. matches
6. sunglasses and sunscreen
7. extra food, including water and a way to purify it
8. sharp pocket knife
9. first aid kit
10. flashlight

In addition to this, your tent(hammock, shelter, whatever), sleeping bag, and pack are the most important things. As a general rule of thumb, all your clothing worn should be synthetic material such as poly-pro, nylon, or a natural like wool. NO COTTON.

You need a way to get water from the trail. So bring some method of water filtration or purification. I myself use a MSR Miniworks EX water filter. Some people use iodine tablets to purify their water... I can't do this as the taste of iodine makes me gag.. and although it kills all the nasties in the water.. I can't stand the thought of chugging them down even though they are dead. Water is very important. The average person is already chronically dehydrated. This will not do on the trail. You can die. When you are doing absolutely nothing, you should be drinking a gallon of water, per day, to stay adequately hydrated. Add to that equation, foods and drinks that dehydrate (such as caffeine, alcohol, salty foods, fried foods, etc) and you need to increase your water intake even more to compensate. Add to that equation, carrying 40lbs on your back, and hiking X miles per day.. and you need to drink even more water.

Food is another major concern. How are you going to eat on the trail for a month? You can't take all that food on your back. Most people only carry around 3-7 days worth of food in their pack, and re-supply along the way. If you have ever studied plant life or survival, you will know what plants, roots, seeds, etc.. can be safely eaten from the wild. However, even an experienced outdoorsmen would not rely on this alone, and would only use it as a supplement or in extreme cases. When you are hiking, you need more calories, fat and protein than ever. Most recommend 4,000-5,000 calories per day, in order to maintain your weight. So you want the highest calorie, highest fat and highest protein foods, in the lightest weights possible. (You will be carrying this on your back.. and food is heavy.) Think pasta, peanut butter, tuna fish in those foil pouches (high protein + omega 3s), dried fruit, nuts, dehydrated vegetables, mac'ncheese, energy bars, MREs, etc. Take nothing in a can, everything should be in plastic bags. In addition, you don't want to take big bulky boxes of stuff, so repack EVERYTHING, in your own bags. I recommend planning your meals in advance and packing them in ziploc bags, one for every meal.. to make it easier on you. As well you should consider powdered drink mixes to maybe add protein or flavor in your drinks every once in a while. Drinking nothing but water day in and day out can get old.

Bring a couple trash bags too. And pack it all out. Don't leave trash in the wild.
If it's not biodegradable, and doesn't break down very fast.. pack it out.
Biodegradable food wastes should be buried, at least 100 yards from your camping site.

Keep your first aid kit light, and to a minimum. KISS - (Keep It Simple Stupid). That big ass first aid kit you have is no good... you wont be treating mortal wounds on the trail, you need a hospital for that. So make your own kit.. it should all fit inside a small ziplock bag. A couple band-aids, pressure dressing, gauze, triple antibiotic, antiseptic wipes, tweezers, moleskin, couple butterfly sutures, knuckle bandage, a couple motrin tabs, anti-histamine tabs, anti-diarrhea tabs, safety pin, and bandana should be all you need. (If you do get giardia or some other nasty illness from infected water, you will be shitting your intestines out for up to two weeks, and all your water.. so the anti-diarrhea tabs could save your life until you can get to a hospital to get treated)

The basic idea with hiking is carrying EVERYTHING you need, with the lightest weight possible. (The weight really adds up.. especially if you are carrying a heavy ass tent in a heavy ass pack) I would invest in a lightweight shelter.. such as one of these - http://www.hennessyhammock.com/

And don't bring things you won't need, as a lot of people make the mistake of doing. What good is that cd player going to be on the trail? Sure it may be nice to listen to music.. but that is extra weight.. and less pack space.. and it all adds up. Not to mention you would have to carry extra batteries.. and those should be reserved for your source of light. I recommend a headlamp, as it is hands free. Only take what you need

It's general hiker consensus to NOT bring a firearm. 9 out of 10 firearms brought onto the trail just means trouble.. usually for you, but also for other people. Not to even mention the hefty weight. Most guns on the trail results in accidents involving guns. I doubt you'll be hunting wild animals, and if you are.. you're much better off using what you have available in nature to snare them. You can make a fishing rod with a stick, a piece of dental floss, and a hook (bring a couple fishing hooks). You can make a spear by just bringing a little piece of copper sharpened to a point like an arrowhead. Most of the few people you will meet on the trail are usually less dangerous, and more friendly than the people you will meet on the street. I have never run into any wookies or evil witches in my travels in the forest. I have run into a coven of witches, but they made me food and gave me drugs. This is not to say you shouldn't be careful, however.. 'bad people' go out into the forest too.. so it's in your best interest to avoid them. But in my experience, the majority of people you meet on the trail.....are extremely friendly, kind, and helpful. Your biggest threat is wild animals, such as bears that want your food... and mother nature.. who can be very loving.. but also a cruel mistress if you are not prepared.

I have a little 'general repair and survival' kit, along with my first aid kit.. that contains the following items:

- several fishing hooks, fishing lure
- 20 feet of dental floss (stronger than most thread, and can be used for fishing)
- a couple needles for sewing
- (4) 6"x6" pieces of aluminum foil folded.. for 'cups' just in case.
- 20' of duct tape, wrapped tight around itself
- 2 straight razor blades
- 1 exacto knife blade ( can be used to fashion a spear point, and has many other practical uses)
- 4 safety pins
- mini lighter
- emergency firestarter
- 2 small emergency candles
- waterproof matches
- superglue
- iodine tablest (in case my water filter busts)

All of this is inside an altoids tin.

Another tip on lightening the load - multitask items, and only bring the portion you will need. You don't need a whole roll of duct tape, and that wastes a lot of space. But you do want duct tape. So wrap about 20-30 feet of duct tape around something cylindrical, like a pencil, your hiking poles, or your water bottle. Duct tape is good for everything, even, and especially.. on the trail.

Read through the following sites to get an idea of everything you will need.

http://whiteblaze.net/index.php?page=content

http://www.nepanewsletter.com/survival.html

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/


It's mostly advance preparation, mental attitude, and knowledge of what to do in any given situation. But knowledge comes with experience.. so I wouldn't recommend going out for a month your first time out. Go for a couple of days, get a feel for it, and evaluate your gear setup. Lighten the load as much as possible without compromising your setup. And stay positive. You can make it through the worst situations with a positive outlook, whereas someone with an apathetic attitude is doomed for failure, no matter how well-geared they are. The proper gear is VERY important... but not as important as your mental state. You don't just need the gear.. you need to know when and how to use it properly.

Good luck, and happy trails.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: welsholi]
    #5357321 - 03/02/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The only place I'd ever carry a gun is Alaska and it'd be an aluminum one that wieghs nothing and kicks like a mule.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #5357428 - 03/02/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd start by going to some local parks (if there are any?) and spend a good 5 hours or so walking down trails. Also what I do is go off the trails, to the unwalked brush..I like the rough terrain.You have to be more flexible to walk long distances in non-trail woods.


I always spend tons of time when I go out in the woods or wherever usually more than i had originally planned.
I prefer woods to open parks, since the woods provide a nice canopy.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: eris]
    #5357461 - 03/02/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

South Western US has a lot of wilderness you can wander for days in and never see another soul. I carry a firearm for more than just wookies. It's also not anything out of the ordinary here, so people don't freak out about it. Provides food when fishing isn't an option.

On a side note, I know nothing about the UK really, so I don't know about how much of it is private land. That would change things...


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: mediman0078]
    #5357490 - 03/02/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like my kind of place. I've been in the southwest hiking some.. beautiful scenery.

One thing I miss about out west is how open the scenery is. you can see so far in the distance.. whereas here you can only see a short distance in front of you.. it's all flat.


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Re: advice on traveling/hiking? [Re: eris]
    #5357561 - 03/02/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have a few pics to show you the kind of areas I camp and hike in... it's amazing country, and you can see how remote things can be... sortof. :laugh:







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    #5357619 - 03/02/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Nice

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