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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: abltsandwich]
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There always was drugs and organized crime in Mexico.  You could go over to Juarez in the 70's and go to 'the shooting gallery' and buy junk, coke, meth, and do it up right there on old car seats...and lay around and nod or go back across the border with balloons.  Good stuff too.  No one fucked with you, and they knew exactly when the raids where coming.  Now it is out of control because of the fucked-up war on drugs, and the profits are so lucrative that it isn't going to be stopped.  Basically the US has forced their view of drugs on the rest of the world, hell or be damned.  Our government doesn't give a fuck, the killing is not happening in OUR country.


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero]
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nopalero said:
abltsandwich said:
  The Mexican refugees actively and knowingly ignore the U.S. immigration laws, so fuck them.


the corporation known as the united states of america actively and knowingly ignores the human rights and individual sovereignty of those same peoples and their territories.


How so?

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero]
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nopalero said:
the united states isn't bankrupt cause of the undocumented workers.. i'm no expert but i can assure you that migrants contribute much more than your average joe.

undocumented individuals will most likely not be the ones that can't pay off their american express or their bestbuy credit card. undocumented individuals are not likely the ones that get handed a free pass out of jail.



where the fuck does anyone get a free pass out of jail? that shit ALWAYS costs an arm/leg.

until illegals start taking money from the powerful(rich) nothing will ever happen...

where i live east valley about 1/2 the people driving run from accidents cause they are should not be here... good living.


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: abltsandwich]
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abltsandwich said:
nopalero said:
abltsandwich said:
  The Mexican refugees actively and knowingly ignore the U.S. immigration laws, so fuck them.


the corporation known as the united states of america actively and knowingly ignores the human rights and individual sovereignty of those same peoples and their territories.


How so?



here is one example of the USA ignoring the will of the people of another country, venezuela.


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero]
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My proposal: Make immigration easier and open to everyone, take down the fence, and remove the border crossings and the border patrol, and remove any laws making non-citizens "illegal". Ta-da! No more illegals.


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Edited by sirhotalot (09/05/10 04:14 PM)

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: Silversoul] * 1
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What I find interesting is that ones who are here demand citizen while waving  Mexican flags and calls anyone who asks they learn English a racist.

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: Le_Canard]
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lulz

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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Knewnews said:
where i live east valley about 1/2 the people driving run from accidents cause they are should not be here... good living.


the DPS might as well invest by charging them money for private english lessons and driving tests for a license. they'd pay thousands for a license on the black market anyway. why not allow them to do it right?


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said:
What I find interesting is that ones who are here demand citizen while waving  Mexican flags and calls anyone who asks they learn English a racist.


this is america any language goes.. do you speak italian or spanish or german or french or portuguese, russian?

but i feel ya. it's odd to do business with a person that doesn't speak your language. ever tried to hook up with a deaf mute?


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the dinosaurs will be back.
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life is both a mirror and a window.

THE GRAYS HOPE TO WIN. STOP. RAINBOW NEEDED URGENTLY.

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero] * 1
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I'm fine with requiring someone to speak English as a condition for becoming a citizen.  I also think that farm workers don't have much need to speak English, nor should they need to become citizens in order to do their work.  They should have some program of work visas for farm workers so they can stay in the country while working the fields and freely cross the border to return to Mexico when the season is over.  The work visa can also offer free English classes.  Upon graduating from the English program and working the fields for a certain number of years, they should be given permanent resident status, and a path to citizenship.


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero]
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nopalero said:
this is america any language goes.. do you speak italian or spanish or german or french or portuguese, russian?


I'm not in Italy, or a Hispanic country, or Germany or Russia. But if I moved there, I damn sure would learn the language and not insist they speak English.

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: Le_Canard]
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good read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States


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only that which has passed can be predicted.
life is both a mirror and a window.

THE GRAYS HOPE TO WIN. STOP. RAINBOW NEEDED URGENTLY.

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Senor_Doobie said:
A huge public works job is what we need for the Mexicans.  We could hire them to build a new railroad or something.



I'd like to see them used for filling large sink holes since they're already doing public works

http://new.wincountry.com/news/articles/2010/sep/02/undocumented-workers-oil-spill-arrested-texas/
http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/24675220/detail.html


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero]
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nopalero said:
the united states isn't bankrupt cause of the undocumented workers.. i'm no expert but i can assure you that migrants contribute much more than your average joe.



it certainly contributed to it when you look at the actual impact,


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undocumented individuals are not likely the ones that get handed a free pass out of jail.


and once again, you're wrong
http://www.newmediajournal.us/government_politics/0823a.htm


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero]
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nopalero said:
good read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States


Yes, I'm aware that many languages and dialects are spoken in the US, including homegrown ones like Creole along with the languages of immigrants.  I'm fine with families speaking in their native tongue to one another and within their communities, but English should be the public language.  It is the language of political debates and public discourse.  Therefore, if you don't understand English, it is very difficult to engage properly in the political process, which is one of the key elements of citizenship.  I don't expect everyone to be fully fluent in English, but there should be a minimum level of fluency for participation in our society.


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
land mines

discuss..


I was thinking no-man zone (on our side of the border, of course, courtesy) via bilogical agent/weapon.


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
nopalero said:
good read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States


Yes, I'm aware that many languages and dialects are spoken in the US, including homegrown ones like Creole along with the languages of immigrants.  I'm fine with families speaking in their native tongue to one another and within their communities, but English should be the public language.  It is the language of political debates and public discourse.  Therefore, if you don't understand English, it is very difficult to engage properly in the political process, which is one of the key elements of citizenship.  I don't expect everyone to be fully fluent in English, but there should be a minimum level of fluency for participation in our society.


I concur. Like I said, coming into a foreign country which speaks another language and insisting everyone else learn mine is ridiculous. But if you want to speak your native to folks from your country, that's fine.

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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: nopalero]
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nopalero said:
undocumented workers are the backbone this nation. a week without them would seriously affect us all. they aren't stealing our jobs, they are winning over our jobs by working harder and willing to work for a lower wage. imo, why don't we all work harder and lower our expectations a little? maybe that would make an impact on the numbers of them here.

undocumented workers do pay taxes ie:sales tax, property tax,etc.
any undocumented worker is eligible to receive a tax id card, which allows them to work as independent contractors and pay income taxes to the irs.

the solution is in changing foreign policy and the way we deal with issues in the americas. (the war on drugs probably the number one reason, followed by the neo-liberal agenda of free trade, which steals from the poor and gives to the rich.)

the problem starts with us.


nopalero said:
the united states isn't bankrupt cause of the undocumented workers.. i'm no expert but i can assure you that migrants contribute much more than your average joe.

undocumented individuals will most likely not be the ones that can't pay off their american express or their bestbuy credit card. undocumented individuals are not likely the ones that get handed a free pass out of jail.


Are you fucking serious? I do not need some ... saying a bunch of retarded Spanish-speaking illiterates are more productive than me, while I am working three jobs and goign to college just to stay alive. And before you fucking get another word off, I am now roofing houses (with a group 100% American and ready to beat the shit out of any illegals we come across) I have built fence and harvested fields. I work as a care assistant for the disabled in the community, and gave a speech at a disability caucus last year about how we can improve the lives of the disabled. When i get my degree and leave this idiot-country, I hope your precious Mexicans can maintain your internetworking, because I sure as hell wont be helping as soon as I have the money to leave.


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: John]
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John said:
Really dude? Why didn't Mexicans stop the drug problem? You know why the cartels moved to Mexico in the first place? We started going through Columbia with US military... eventually "won the war in Columbia" and just forced their routes through Mexico. Mexicans used to be shitty weed dealers, now they are probably the biggest importer to the US of coke, heroin, meth, and still shitty mexibrick.


maybe you're unaware that not all the drugs that these cartels are making money from in this country are smuggled in, sometimes they are and the border obviously makes no difference in the equation
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/First-time+bust+made+in+Calif.+national+forest+Opium+poppies+seized.-a0103894208
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2010/08/yosemite-national-park-marijuana-illegal-pot-farm-bust.html


http://vivirlatino.com/2008/07/17/the-narco-submarine.php
http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/drug-smuggling-submarines/


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Now all of that money goes to fund weapons and training, how the fuck do you think the average citizen is going to stand up to that? This isn't there problem, if our "war on drugs" never existed back in Columbia then neither would mexicartels (at least in their current strength.)


wait a second, is there no police or military for us to dump billions of dollars into to stop the flow of drugs into the US from mexico?

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0324/Hillary-Clinton-Mexico-visit-US-and-Mexico-shift-drug-war-approach

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Yah the mother risking taking her children through the desert at some glimmer of hope of the American dream has bad family values.


they arent seeking the american dream, they'd come here legally if they
were, they would desire becoming citizens, not sneaking across the border
does it make a lot of sense to move you're poor children from a crime
ridden area in mexico through an often times lethal trip across a desert
to crime ridden areas in the US just to live in fear of deportation for
the rest of your time here?

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She should leave her young able body son to stay home and get executed for refusing to help a cartel. Then she can pass by his body as it dangles from the bridge close by, with a message that the Zetas run this town and this is what happens if you refuse to work for them. What a dumb bitch, right?


I love the way you're blowing it way out of proportion, sure it can
happen there but I guess you're unaware that it happens here every day,
that cartel war is spilling over the border to boot, are you ready to
flee your country because it's getting violent, the cartels are growing
here in the states, apparently the illegal immigrants are unwilling to
stand their ground, are you ready too?

http://methlabhomes.com/2009/05/atlanta-meth-bust-nets-351-pounds-of-ice-hidden-in-walls-of-duluth-house/
http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs3/3669/overview.htm


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Re: My proposal to stop illegal immigration [Re: Prisoner#1]
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What he said was a lot more offensive than what I said, I hope you realize that. How do you expect someone to react to that.

Do you even have a job? Do you support yourself? How can you possibly say Mexicans are more productive than the actual Americans, who, by the way, have been suffering because of this whole situation...

It our government's fault. End the drug war tomorrow and half of the problem will go away.


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