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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: NoxNoctum]
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Dissolving national borders creates more consolidated political power.

Lax border control is a step to said border dissolution.

This has everything to do with power and control.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: NoxNoctum]
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I really don't understand people so opposed to immigration. The legal immigration laws in this country and the waiting times are insane. If I desperately needed a job I would sure as hell jump the border too. They come in, and work all our shitty jobs for us, what's the big deal? And so what if they're breaking the law? It's a bullshit law, just like our drug laws are.


No, it is not a bullshit law.  Every nation has an immigration policy.  Is the path to legal immigration somewhat fucked up here?  Sure.  But that is because of the overwhelming number of immigration requests from certain countries.  So what if they're breaking the law?  Spare me.  I got an idea.  If they have no respect for our laws then they can stay the fuck out and work to fix their own festering shithole of a country.  Our nation IS our laws.
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It's funny, back in the day it was the Irish, then the Italians that were getting all the hate. I just find it ironic that many of those railing against immigration are descendants of immigrants themselves. America's a melting pot. Not to mention the fact, like someone mentioned above, that this is all Mexican land being "invaded" by immigrants. We stole it from them flat out. No justification no nothin. It was imperialism pure and simple. The least we can do is let them come work at McDonalds for us :p. Not to mention the fact that this entire country was stolen from the "Native Americans" (fuck I hate that term it sounds so retarded but I guess it's the best). The hypocrisy of being anti-immigration is immense.


And yet we have another child who cannot distinguish between legal and illegal.  It's really quite sad what has become of our education system.  It is Mexican land?  Hardly.  And what are Mexicans?  Descendents from Spanish invaders.  Why do you think they call the Hispanic?  And it's tough shit for the Indians.  They lost.  Every nation on earth is a product of conquest at some point in it's history.  Every fucking one.
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I'm surprised people on a shroomery forum would have views like this... It's just a lucky roll of the dice that you were born here and automatically got citizenship. Put yourself in someone else's shoes.


There is no reason to beieve that mushrooms make you stupid (gh3y maybe).  Totally open borders will destroy this country, just as it will destroy any country.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: zappaisgod]
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:facepalm3:

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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: Niwita]
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Niwita said:
:facepalm3:

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How wonderfully substantive.  Well thought out and eruditely expressed.  Just like your ideas vis a vis open borders and state sovereignty.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Roll Fizzlebeef said:
Having said that, fuck the border!  A good portion of southern Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Cali were all once mexican land.  It IS their land, we are the invaders.  Read a fucking history book.


No, its not their land.  They stole it from the spanish, who stole it from older nations who stole it from older people still.  Why would you assume that in that long line of ownership somehow mexico is the true owner?  Mexico only held the land for 20 years.  America, Spain and the early nations all held it for longer than that.  Mexico has the weakest claim of any over the land.  Why dont you go read a history book instead of spouting BS.


What an absurd argument.

According to you the Mexicans "stole" the land from the Spanish, who stole it from "older people"?

Spain is in Europe. Clearly the Spanish were not the original inhabitants of that land.

So the question is, who were these "older people"?

You can call them Aztecs or Olmecs or Mayans, but they lived in the land currently known as Mexico, so we could also call them Mexicans. These "Mexicans" "held the land" in "Mexico" for more than 2000 years. Far longer than the 20 years you suggest.

Now I'm sure you will make the argument that since Spain destroyed the Olmec, Aztec, and Mayan cultures the people who declared independence from Spain  are unrelated to them.

I'll call horseshit in advance.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: Heffy]
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Today's Mxicans are not yesterday's Mexicans.  Today's Mexicans need to worry about fixing the festering shithole that today's Mexicans have made out of today's Mexico instead of running away from their problems like little cunts.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: zappaisgod]
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Today's Mxicans are not yesterday's Mexicans.  Today's Mexicans need to worry about fixing the festering shithole that today's Mexicans have made out of today's Mexico instead of running away from their problems like little cunts.


well said.


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Roll Fizzlebeef said:

Having said that, fuck the border!  A good portion of southern Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and Cali were all once mexican land.  It IS their land, we are the invaders.  Read a fucking history book.


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No, its not their land.  They stole it from the spanish, who stole it from older nations who stole it from older people still.  Why would you assume that in that long line of ownership somehow mexico is the true owner?  Mexico only held the land for 20 years.  America, Spain and the early nations all held it for longer than that.  Mexico has the weakest claim of any over the land.  Why dont you go read a history book instead of spouting BS.


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What an absurd argument.

According to you the Mexicans "stole" the land from the Spanish, who stole it from "older people"?

Spain is in Europe. Clearly the Spanish were not the original inhabitants of that land.

So the question is, who were these "older people"?

You can call them Aztecs or Olmecs or Mayans, but they lived in the land currently known as Mexico, so we could also call them Mexicans. These "Mexicans" "held the land" in "Mexico" for more than 2000 years. Far longer than the 20 years you suggest.

Now I'm sure you will make the argument that since Spain destroyed the Olmec, Aztec, and Mayan cultures the people who declared independence from Spain  are unrelated to them.

I'll call horseshit in advance.



:facepalm3: Re-read it. He is takling about Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California. Niether the Aztecs, or Mayans lived at any of those places.... It was Indian tribes like the Navajo, Pima, Maricopa, Mohave... You get my point. its Obvious the original poster is a complete moron. Telling people to read a fucking history book.. haha wow. Mexicans are really considered part indian and part spanish, like all the other spanish countries but.. but... The other spanish countries actually have more spanish blood then mexicans.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: Therian]
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Who said they were opposed to immigration? All I've seen is people talking about illegal immigration.


What a cop out, if this was about the difference between legal and illegal immigration then we could all agree that amnesty or unregulated legal entry is acceptable because then they would all be legal immigrants. 

It seems painfully obvious to me that you simply don't want them here one way or the other.  You might have reasons; social, economic, jingoistic or other concerns some of which might have value.  However, if you are only against illegal immigration because they broke the law to get here then you should, all else being equal, believe the most efficient way to change that is to simply change the law. 

I do find it odd that when it comes to drug laws no one here seems to give a rat's ass about breaking them, but when it comes it immigration all of the sudden we must enforce the law. 

As for unchecked immigration destroying the country, it certainly didn't in the past.  I am both Irish and Italian and all of my ancestors came here with virtually zero hurdles.  Moreover, Hispanic immigrants conform to American society quicker than both the Irish and Italians.

My 2 cents is that borders are real, but a hindrance to open and free trade and as applied to immigration prevent the free flow of labor. 

Second, if illegal immigration is sucking up all of our jobs (something I doubt because I have never had a problem getting a job) the it seems to me we have a jobs problem not an immigration problem. 

Third, this notion of protecting our borders is stupid, because we are never going to be able to prevent immigration from our norther border so terrorists will always be able to enter our country whether we like it or not, but considering that immigrants seem to have a low level of terrorist activity compared to Americans one way or the other I am not too concerned.  Unless you are talking generic crime, in which case I think you will probably still find more correlation between economic status than racial status.  And considering right now illegal immigrants have no way to gain equity in the community because of their intrinsically temporary status, by keeping their illegal status, we are actually propagating the criminal activity.

Fourth, back on topic, I like freedom of speech, but if it is being used to disrupt the school environment then I expect the kids to be removed from school.  Is wearing an American flag on your shirt during a Mexican holiday disruptive?  I don't know I wasn't there.  However, the contention that a legal Hispanic teacher suspended patriots because of his personal ethnic heritage seem unlikely. 

Lastly, you might want to remember that wearing a flag on cloths is flag desecration according to traditional American values.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: Smackshadow]
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Who said they were opposed to immigration? All I've seen is people talking about illegal immigration.


What a cop out, if this was about the difference between legal and illegal immigration then we could all agree that amnesty or unregulated legal entry is acceptable because then they would all be legal immigrants.

  Ummm no.  This is more egregious idiocy from the open borders cabal.  Well, we don't have them.  In fact, no nation has them.  So your entire premise heer is de facto bullshit.  What a surprise.
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It seems painfully obvious to me that you simply don't want them here one way or the other.  You might have reasons; social, economic, jingoistic or other concerns some of which might have value.  However, if you are only against illegal immigration because they broke the law to get here then you should, all else being equal, believe the most efficient way to change that is to simply change the law.


Bullshit.  Why not make murder legal?  That is exactly your rationale.
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I do find it odd that when it comes to drug laws no one here seems to give a rat's ass about breaking them, but when it comes it immigration all of the sudden we must enforce the law.


Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime.  Or didn't yuou know that?
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As for unchecked immigration destroying the country, it certainly didn't in the past.  I am both Irish and Italian and all of my ancestors came here with virtually zero hurdles.  Moreover, Hispanic immigrants conform to American society quicker than both the Irish and Italians.


You would be severely mistaken if you thought that there was unchecked immigration in the past.  Also your point about assimilation is a complete lie.
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My 2 cents is that borders are real, but a hindrance to open and free trade and as applied to immigration prevent the free flow of labor.

  Theer is no free flow of labor across borders, never hass been, never will be, in any nation.
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Second, if illegal immigration is sucking up all of our jobs (something I doubt because I have never had a problem getting a job) the it seems to me we have a jobs problem not an immigration problem.


Do illegal immigrants take jobs that legal residents could have instead?  Fucking Duh.  I'm happy that you've never had a problem.  I've never had a problem.  You know what I have a problem with?  Contracting for jobs in a competitive marketplace against people who don't have to pay taxes.  Really could you be more self absorbed?  Only if your name was Obama.
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Third, this notion of protecting our borders is stupid, because we are never going to be able to prevent immigration from our norther border so terrorists will always be able to enter our country whether we like it or not, but considering that immigrants seem to have a low level of terrorist activity compared to Americans one way or the other I am not too concerned.  Unless you are talking generic crime, in which case I think you will probably still find more correlation between economic status than racial status.  And considering right now illegal immigrants have no way to gain equity in the community because of their intrinsically temporary status, by keeping their illegal status, we are actually propagating the criminal activity.

SURRENDER!  FTW!  Did it ever cross your mind that by the sheer fact of sending them into a much more difficult path we will diminish their numbers?  Will we ever stop all of them?  No, of course not.  That is no reason not to stop as many as possible.
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Fourth, back on topic, I like freedom of speech, but if it is being used to disrupt the school environment then I expect the kids to be removed from school.  Is wearing an American flag on your shirt during a Mexican holiday disruptive?  I don't know I wasn't there.  However, the contention that a legal Hispanic teacher suspended patriots because of his personal ethnic heritage seem unlikely.


The school distrct has apologized. 
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Lastly, you might want to remember that wearing a flag on cloths is flag desecration according to traditional American values.


No.


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: Smackshadow]
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Smackshadow said:
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Who said they were opposed to immigration? All I've seen is people talking about illegal immigration.


What a cop out, if this was about the difference between legal and illegal immigration then we could all agree that amnesty or unregulated legal entry is acceptable because then they would all be legal immigrants. 


What a load of shit. If they'd leave and apply for legal immigration.... more power to them.


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It seems painfully obvious to me that you simply don't want them here one way or the other.  You might have reasons; social, economic, jingoistic or other concerns some of which might have value.  However, if you are only against illegal immigration because they broke the law to get here then you should, all else being equal, believe the most efficient way to change that is to simply change the law. 


See above response. There's pain here alright but not related to what is "obvious".


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I do find it odd that when it comes to drug laws no one here seems to give a rat's ass about breaking them, but when it comes it immigration all of the sudden we must enforce the law.


I find it odder that you fail to see the difference between personal behavior that affects only an individual as opposed to  behavior that affects many.


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As for unchecked immigration destroying the country, it certainly didn't in the past.  I am both Irish and Italian and all of my ancestors came here with virtually zero hurdles.  Moreover, Hispanic immigrants conform to American society quicker than both the Irish and Italians.


There weren't quite as many of us then. There wasn't quite the economic problems. There wasn't the same gang problem. There wasn't the same employment problem. I'm Italian, German, Scotch, Welsh and Danish. My ancestors came here with virtually zero hurdles.

So fucking what? Also, please point us to this period of unchecked immigration. To make your task simple lets stick to the last 100 years.


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My 2 cents is that borders are real, but a hindrance to open and free trade and as applied to immigration prevent the free flow of labor.


Your 2 cents aren't worth shit.


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Second, if illegal immigration is sucking up all of our jobs (something I doubt because I have never had a problem getting a job) the it seems to me we have a jobs problem not an immigration problem. 


Unfortunately there is (now anyway) a finite number of jobs. There are more people looking for jobs than there are available jobs. These should go to Americans first.


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Third, this notion of protecting our borders is stupid, because we are never going to be able to prevent immigration from our norther border so terrorists will always be able to enter our country whether we like it or not, but considering that immigrants seem to have a low level of terrorist activity compared to Americans one way or the other I am not too concerned.  Unless you are talking generic crime, in which case I think you will probably still find more correlation between economic status than racial status.  And considering right now illegal immigrants have no way to gain equity in the community because of their intrinsically temporary status, by keeping their illegal status, we are actually propagating the criminal activity.


Bullshit. It doesn't mean you don't try.


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Fourth, back on topic, I like freedom of speech, but if it is being used to disrupt the school environment then I expect the kids to be removed from school.  Is wearing an American flag on your shirt during a Mexican holiday disruptive?  I don't know I wasn't there.  However, the contention that a legal Hispanic teacher suspended patriots because of his personal ethnic heritage seem unlikely. 


Even his boss said he acted improperly. Get over it.


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Lastly, you might want to remember that wearing a flag on cloths is flag desecration according to traditional American values.


It's against the law to use a flag as clothing. It is not against the law to have an image of the flag on your clothes. Or are servicemen, police and fire departments desecrating the flag by having a flag on their uniforms?


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Re: We deserve the Mexican filth [Re: Smackshadow]
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What you might not be looking at is:


The democrats are concerned about votes.

They are attempting to "corner the market" on the Hispanic vote.

If they are able to obtain amnesty for said vote then they will have considerably more votes.

Essentially, amnesty is being pushed by said political party not because it is "virtuous", it is about attempting to secure political power.

How can you not see this as immoral?


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