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Have you ever been molested?
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I read that people who are molested sexually at a young age, tend to become child molesters themselves. I saw a program that showed exactly this.

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I haven't no, but my younger brother was and he's going to college to be a counselor to help kids that go through the same shit. My dad was an alcoholic and one night raped him while blacked out, yet he doesn't remember it...

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #2] * 1
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Yes.

I don't believe that the molested become molesters automatically. I strongly believe that sentiment/assumption is a perverse sort of guilt-by-association that ignorant people (including "professional" researchers) assign to the kids that were abused. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
What I do believe is that the kids that don't get the opportunity to express, deal with, and understand the feelings and confusion that are created by premature and/or abusive sexual experiences may, in some cases, try and validate the experience they went through by internally telling themselves they're OK with it, to cope internally, which could lead to them being more accepting of the sexualization of kids, or in extreme cases, even a manifested attraction/abuse to them.

I don't have any sexual feelings towards the young, despite having being used that way myself when I was that age.
I can tell you that it was a genuine fear of mine, as I became a man, that I would someday wake up as a pedophile-- since everyone seemed to think it was the "common sense" result of someone being abused. I also was always hyper-sensitive to any possible homosexual thoughts, as it was a man that abused me. That part was especially hard to deal with.
I am 32 now, and after all this time I can say with honesty that I've never felt any sexual attraction to young kids, or males in general, for that matter.
I was afraid of sex for a very long time, and to this day, I am seriously affected by some hang-ups that can make normal sex difficult for me. Sometimes impossible. I get uncomfortable if I am stared at during sex. It reminds me of those times-- he videotaped me--watched me. I was a piece of meat. I can never seem to erase that feeling if I am watched, even by a gorgeous girl. Then the realization of what I'm reminded of cascades into a reliving/rush of those memories, and boom-- I'm de-railed.
I still can't have sex, even in multi-year, awesome relationships, without those out-of-nowhere flashbacks...moments of shame and humiliation...exploding in the middle of what was a fun, intimate session with my girlfriend- losing all confidence and ability to stay hard.
That's the price I pay. I think, at this point in my life, it is the price I will always pay.
I have forgiven the person that did this to me--in my heart, at least, mainly because I feel there is no other option. I couldn't have survived the rage I felt towards him had I kept it within me.
But I will never recover from the damage that was done.

Honestly, I'm eternally glad he didn't infect me with his disease-- like the OP assumes is the "normal" result. I'm glad that my burden and suffering is confined to myself and those few girls I am fortunate to be intimate with, who have always been understanding and beautiful about this stuff when it comes up.

Don't assume a kid that is molested is destined for the same horrible life-- but seriously--SERIOUSLY-- get that child as much help in articulating his/her pain as early and as often as possible.
The sooner they can make a clear distinction between the sex/physical, and the psychological/emotional the better, in my opinion. You don't want them thinking about sex as a component of childhood in the way their molester did--
My therapist was always good about letting me think/talk out and understand that what happened to me was far beyond physical. She was right-- and that's (I think) what pedophiles don't get.
Sex can feel great-- so they assume they're just getting off and the kid will like it because it "feels" good. Like the physical pleasure of attempted expression of "love" or attention they give the kid will somehow paper over the deep emotional tearing that the activity causes.
They don't care about--or even think about-- the rest of the morning's-after that child will have to live-- every single day, growing up, thinking about those moments with shame and humiliation. They just assume they will think of it as "no big deal"-- exactly as they are trying to convince themselves that they think of it.

I'm sorry for getting somewhat off-topic. I hope this has been useful to someone.

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #3]
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damn thats fucked up. i'm glad you've taken the steps you have, even though the pain still remains. thanks for sharing.

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Anonymous #3 said:
Yes.

I don't believe that the molested become molesters automatically. I strongly believe that sentiment/assumption is a perverse sort of guilt-by-association that ignorant people (including "professional" researchers) assign to the kids that were abused. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
What I do believe is that the kids that don't get the opportunity to express, deal with, and understand the feelings and confusion that are created by premature and/or abusive sexual experiences may, in some cases, try and validate the experience they went through by internally telling themselves they're OK with it, to cope internally, which could lead to them being more accepting of the sexualization of kids, or in extreme cases, even a manifested attraction/abuse to them.

I don't have any sexual feelings towards the young, despite having being used that way myself when I was that age.
I can tell you that it was a genuine fear of mine, as I became a man, that I would someday wake up as a pedophile-- since everyone seemed to think it was the "common sense" result of someone being abused. I also was always hyper-sensitive to any possible homosexual thoughts, as it was a man that abused me. That part was especially hard to deal with.
I am 32 now, and after all this time I can say with honesty that I've never felt any sexual attraction to young kids, or males in general, for that matter.
I was afraid of sex for a very long time, and to this day, I am seriously affected by some hang-ups that can make normal sex difficult for me. Sometimes impossible. I get uncomfortable if I am stared at during sex. It reminds me of those times-- he videotaped me--watched me. I was a piece of meat. I can never seem to erase that feeling if I am watched, even by a gorgeous girl. Then the realization of what I'm reminded of cascades into a reliving/rush of those memories, and boom-- I'm de-railed.
I still can't have sex, even in multi-year, awesome relationships, without those out-of-nowhere flashbacks...moments of shame and humiliation...exploding in the middle of what was a fun, intimate session with my girlfriend- losing all confidence and ability to stay hard.
That's the price I pay. I think, at this point in my life, it is the price I will always pay.
I have forgiven the person that did this to me--in my heart, at least, mainly because I feel there is no other option. I couldn't have survived the rage I felt towards him had I kept it within me.
But I will never recover from the damage that was done.

Honestly, I'm eternally glad he didn't infect me with his disease-- like the OP assumes is the "normal" result. I'm glad that my burden and suffering is confined to myself and those few girls I am fortunate to be intimate with, who have always been understanding and beautiful about this stuff when it comes up.

Don't assume a kid that is molested is destined for the same horrible life-- but seriously--SERIOUSLY-- get that child as much help in articulating his/her pain as early and as often as possible.
The sooner they can make a clear distinction between the sex/physical, and the psychological/emotional the better, in my opinion. You don't want them thinking about sex as a component of childhood in the way their molester did--
My therapist was always good about letting me think/talk out and understand that what happened to me was far beyond physical. She was right-- and that's (I think) what pedophiles don't get.
Sex can feel great-- so they assume they're just getting off and the kid will like it because it "feels" good. Like the physical pleasure of attempted expression of "love" or attention they give the kid will somehow paper over the deep emotional tearing that the activity causes.
They don't care about--or even think about-- the rest of the morning's-after that child will have to live-- every single day, growing up, thinking about those moments with shame and humiliation. They just assume they will think of it as "no big deal"-- exactly as they are trying to convince themselves that they think of it.

I'm sorry for getting somewhat off-topic. I hope this has been useful to someone.



amazing post man and I really fear this is what's in store for my brother :frown:

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Anonymous #3 said:
Yes.

I don't believe that the molested become molesters automatically. I strongly believe that sentiment/assumption is a perverse sort of guilt-by-association that ignorant people (including "professional" researchers) assign to the kids that were abused. Correlation does NOT equal causation.
What I do believe is that the kids that don't get the opportunity to express, deal with, and understand the feelings and confusion that are created by premature and/or abusive sexual experiences may, in some cases, try and validate the experience they went through by internally telling themselves they're OK with it, to cope internally, which could lead to them being more accepting of the sexualization of kids, or in extreme cases, even a manifested attraction/abuse to them.

I don't have any sexual feelings towards the young, despite having being used that way myself when I was that age.
I can tell you that it was a genuine fear of mine, as I became a man, that I would someday wake up as a pedophile-- since everyone seemed to think it was the "common sense" result of someone being abused. I also was always hyper-sensitive to any possible homosexual thoughts, as it was a man that abused me. That part was especially hard to deal with.
I am 32 now, and after all this time I can say with honesty that I've never felt any sexual attraction to young kids, or males in general, for that matter.
I was afraid of sex for a very long time, and to this day, I am seriously affected by some hang-ups that can make normal sex difficult for me. Sometimes impossible. I get uncomfortable if I am stared at during sex. It reminds me of those times-- he videotaped me--watched me. I was a piece of meat. I can never seem to erase that feeling if I am watched, even by a gorgeous girl. Then the realization of what I'm reminded of cascades into a reliving/rush of those memories, and boom-- I'm de-railed.
I still can't have sex, even in multi-year, awesome relationships, without those out-of-nowhere flashbacks...moments of shame and humiliation...exploding in the middle of what was a fun, intimate session with my girlfriend- losing all confidence and ability to stay hard.
That's the price I pay. I think, at this point in my life, it is the price I will always pay.
I have forgiven the person that did this to me--in my heart, at least, mainly because I feel there is no other option. I couldn't have survived the rage I felt towards him had I kept it within me.
But I will never recover from the damage that was done.

Honestly, I'm eternally glad he didn't infect me with his disease-- like the OP assumes is the "normal" result. I'm glad that my burden and suffering is confined to myself and those few girls I am fortunate to be intimate with, who have always been understanding and beautiful about this stuff when it comes up.

Don't assume a kid that is molested is destined for the same horrible life-- but seriously--SERIOUSLY-- get that child as much help in articulating his/her pain as early and as often as possible.
The sooner they can make a clear distinction between the sex/physical, and the psychological/emotional the better, in my opinion. You don't want them thinking about sex as a component of childhood in the way their molester did--
My therapist was always good about letting me think/talk out and understand that what happened to me was far beyond physical. She was right-- and that's (I think) what pedophiles don't get.
Sex can feel great-- so they assume they're just getting off and the kid will like it because it "feels" good. Like the physical pleasure of attempted expression of "love" or attention they give the kid will somehow paper over the deep emotional tearing that the activity causes.
They don't care about--or even think about-- the rest of the morning's-after that child will have to live-- every single day, growing up, thinking about those moments with shame and humiliation. They just assume they will think of it as "no big deal"-- exactly as they are trying to convince themselves that they think of it.

I'm sorry for getting somewhat off-topic. I hope this has been useful to someone.



thank you for sharing.. best of luck

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #5]
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:congrats:

Well Articulted, me and you seem to have similar ways of understanding the issue.

The only thing that helps me when I am derailed is to ask for reassurance from the person and touch my nipples at the same time.

If you do not use your nipples alot, try it, they are like the spark to get the engine running again. A nipple touching, how shitt sex is without you. haha.

Though I may be overstepping my boundaries, I figure you got nothing to loose in trying.

Also have you ever wondered how sexuality seems to be highly psychological, in light of these peoples ability to find children sexually attractive?

I saw a post the other day, a real doosy, but the guy had a point...if sex is biological, how does child rape, beastiality, granny, fit into that? And if not, how can it be considered naturalized expression, devoid of psychological activity?

Also, I just read a study about this, I do not assume out of no where. In fact many people do not even believe that most molestors are molested.

I also read a study that many molestors do not talk about their problems to people, especially males because of the notion that a male is supposed to be strong. etc.

:hi:

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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My mother molested me over a dozen times as a youth.

I only started getting the repressed memories back 2 years ago.

It explains a lot of mental health issues. It's probably why my sister killed herself. She was there on two occasions. These have been verified chronologically to not be false memories.

I've never had the urge to take that innocence away from a younger person.

It's made me want to kill myself, kill my mother, kill my father for letting it happen, self-mutilation, polysubstance abuse, the list goes on.

I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen, but a child molester, in my mind, cannot say "well I was molested so don't blame me". Fuck off, you can't get out that easy. I don't think anyone buys that shit anymore.

Pedo = pedo. You are or you aren't, regardless of circumstance or past experience.

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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I have no intentions for molesting another. Molestation is so shockingly common, and so many times within the family...

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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You'va been through alot but just because you have that experience, does not nessecitate you conclusion.

I believe you are probally less likely to believe anything that gets people off the hook with pedophelia, but evidence says that the two are interlinked.

You should do research, there is plenty to show for this.

Thanks for sharing, what a cracker of a story.

WOW amazed at just how ugly this world is.

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #7]
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It's usually a family member, we have had 3 in my family alone, one of my uncles was just caught up in an internet sting. And my other great uncle was also a pederas. My cousin molested me, I beat him up a few times and I still want to kill him. I also black mailed him for money. And I guess my two uncles were also black mailed by their victims.

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #8]
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I kinda wish mine was outside the family. My dad would have killed them and got away with it, or would have given me the gun if he was too busy and let me take care of it. Can't kill my brother though, he was only like 13 and me 10. He is probably more fucked up from it ironically than I am, as he has yet to come to terms why he did it.

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #7]
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me and my cousin used to massage each others balls and shit when we were younger, weird shit man. we weren't emotionally into each other or anything like that, we just wanted to feel good/ were curious little kids. he's 2 years younger then me, we used to do this when we were 8-10. i never thought of it as molestation as we looked at each other as peers but we've talked about it maturely and it's in the past. my two puppies hump each other and shit all the time and nobody has made a big deal out of it. we never forced each other to do it or anything. i felt horribly guilty about it for a while but he suggested doing "it" half the time. we were just horny little kids that couldn't get girls i guess. i didn't do it to feel a sorta sense of superiority or any fucked up shit like that. we were both in it for the pleasure of having someone other than yourself touching your private area. we both stopped one day when are sexual hormones starting kicking in and we started feeling really weird/gay because of it i got over my paranoid thoughts about "testing" whether or not i am gay a couple years ago. i would always conciously ask myself if i find guys attractive and whatnot until one day i learned that you can't logically explain emotions and that i just had to let it flow and i concluded that i'm not gay)pretty much the only regret of my entire life so farbesides accidently hitting a seagull with a stick one time :frown:

it feels good to let that out in the open i think

Edited by Anonymous (05/17/10 05:23 PM)

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #9]
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one of your biggest regrets is accidentally hitting a seagull with a stick? You have a pretty damn clean conscience!  I have my cat kill count up at 3 because of dumb ass cats running in front of my car while I'm going 40 mph.  Trust me, I don't lose sleep about that

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #2]
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:lol: I bet he was just wandering around swinging a big stick and a seagull flew in front of it and BAM!

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #2]
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i was like 12 years old and i was throwing little sticks at seagulls at some beach on vacation assuming they would fly away. after many misses i hit one and i felt really, really, really bad :blush:

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
I believe you are probally less likely to believe anything that gets people off the hook with pedophelia, but evidence says that the two are interlinked.

You should do research, there is plenty to show for this.





You'd be surprised.

All my life, I've tried to understand.
I see the connection you point out. I don't have any intention of denying recorded fact. My earlier post was more to make clear that it is in no way inevitable that a molested child is destined to perpetuate that behavior. Are they at higher risk? Yes. That's why it's imperative that they be cared for, listened to, and helped to deal with what's happened to them.
To those of you that have felt suicidal, (or homicidal):
I didn't choose to have my abuse made known-- but I'm absolutely certain that it saved my life.
Forcing me to confront these things when they were forced onto me saved my life. In all seriousness it only barely did. I was at the bottom of an alcoholic well, drowning, floating in the quiet anguish of apathy.
I've felt every point along the spectrum-- from the rage and revenge that others in this thread have expressed, to honest sympathy and sorrow for the one that did what he did.
Just about everywhere in between. I can expect nobody to understand... but I want to try and explain anyway. I've never done this aloud, so please bear with me.

I have felt like a helpless child, preyed upon by a deceitful, twisted freak.
I have felt like a foolish boy, for not reading the signals and signs of danger which, in retrospect, are always there.
I felt like a liar, and a hypocrite for telling my mother everything was OK when she started to worry something wasn't right. I was more afraid of her finding out what horrors I had been through than continuing to go through the horrors myself.
I felt like I betrayed myself, and my future. I felt betrayed by those authority figures that I thought (and later *knew*) should have known. (The man that did this to me was affiliated with law-enforcement. But please, no "I hate cops" BS in here over that-- this man was no more indicative of LE in general than of any other group that have trust and influence. We all know pedo's are in every group)
I even felt like I betrayed him after it all came out. Stockholm syndrome is real, man.
In the end, I feel like I have explored this "why" problem with the greatest of efforts, trying to reason and understand why someone would let a base, primitive level of physical compulsion override the thousands of years of cultural, moral, and ethical knowledge and restraint civilization has graced us with.
My honest answer is simpler than many, and more complex than some...but I believe it is true.
I think pedophiles are--in their deepest psyche-- insecure cowards. This is a description, not an epithet.
I believe these men have so little confidence in themselves, so little courage and sense of self, that they find the helpless--the pure, and least-powerful among them "safe" to attack, because they do NOT feel worthy of real women. They feel incompatible with what you and I think is sexy in a woman.
They are unwilling or unable to form normal relationships--standing side-by-side as equals with their partner/lover. They are weak. They are worthless. They can only feel superior to little children. So they seek out those that don't know how worthless they really are.
They are very-much related to all other rapists-- the comfort/satisfaction of being in control makes every vulgar, terrible action feel justified.

The object of their cowardly lust is to them, at least in that moment, nothing more than a piece of meat to be fucked-- sure, some of them try and tell themselves that they "care" for these kids-- but that's a practice of self-deception. It's the hook, line, and sinker they use to quietly, and therefore somehow more justifiably, snare these children's trust (as opposed to the violent kidnapper type).

It's also their internal moral defence. But the cognitive dissonance is there. They KNOW it's wrong. They know. I know the man that did this to me knew what he was doing. He dressed it up an all sorts of father-figure, jocular ways. But he knew he was trying to molest a young boy. I also know that it tore him apart inside. He still went through with every minute of it. He still dragged me through every minute of it.
He still, knowing, gave in to it again and again.  I would discover that I was not the only one he raped.

It's beyond horror, for me... knowing that he KNEW, and did it anyway. Knew it was an abomination of love and trust. I think this is the case for the vast majority of these rapists.
I've heard the "biological impulse" story, where they say "he was incapable of controlling his animal instincts".
Whatever. It's a fucking excuse, sculpted and fashioned by defence attorneys and self-rationalizing pedophiles themselves.

I'd love to fuck that hot girl parked next to me at a light in traffic, but I don't. I guess i have "Biological Impulse" FAIL. Maybe i'm irrationally averse to accepting that supposedly overwhelming urge as a genuine possibility. Ok then.


In the end, my conclusions are only my own. I have only my experience to instruct me.
I've rambled on about this far more than I probably should have.
But see for yourself, the depth of damage experienced by people like me. It is immeasurable. It's as bad as you can possibly fear it could be. It saturates your life--decades later.
If you are a pedophile, you will do your best to rationalize that fact away-- but remember-- that child will not have that luxury. Ever.

I've spent most of my life trying to undo what that bastard did to me. I've become what I hope is a good, honest, and worthwhile human being. I love, and I am loved. I may be damaged with some baggage in some ways, but I am thankful.
I've been on this board for many years, and have made friends here. My psychedelic experiences have played a significant role in absorbing into myself, and cleaning out, many of the feelings that I have connected to this.
I have many of you to thank for sharing your knowledge with me that allowed a safe and educated journey to those magnificent places.
It has helped. Life does go on.
It takes time, honesty, conviction, and trust. It takes friends. It takes all you have. But it's worth it to continue-- no matter what.
So many years later--it's always been worth the fight.

Edited by Anonymous (05/17/10 05:29 PM)

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #3]
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I just remembered that another one of my cousons (female, older, physically attractive) sorta stuck her hands down my pants for a little while one time when i was like 8, i liked it though :crazy:

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #9]
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Anonymous #9 said:
I just remembered that another one of my cousons (female, older, physically attractive) sorta stuck her hands down my pants for a little while one time when i was like 8, i liked it though :crazy:



lol nice, I'm not gonna lie, I wish one of my cousins did it to me :wink:

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Re: Have you ever been molested? [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #2 said:
Anonymous #9 said:
I just remembered that another one of my cousons (female, older, physically attractive) sorta stuck her hands down my pants for a little while one time when i was like 8, i liked it though :crazy:



lol nice, I'm not gonna lie, I wish one of my cousins did it to me :wink:



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