Kickle said:

The system fits societies goals IMO

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MushroomTrip said:

But what happens if the family isn't able to provide such an education?
Let's face it, lots of people aren't working on themselves unless they were raised with this habit, and if this habit wasn't formed in these parents, then what education can they give to their kids? What emotional control can they teach them, what curiosities and passions can they ingrain in their minds, when they're an emotional wreck driven by superstition and fear?
I think that the educational system, at least in this context and at this point in time, could do a much better job than the parents, not only because they have the means and the knowledge obtained though psychological, educational, and neurological research, but also because, realistically and rationally, this step would serve everyone's best interests.
Sure, ideally, the parents should take care of this kind of education for their kids, but is this happening? No. So if this isn't happening, should those who actually have right means and motivation keep waiting for the parents to grow smart, just because of this expectation, or should they start using newer and better educational techniques already? What seems more reasonable to you?

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Parents should be better parents.

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And how are you going to make them do that, if they don't know how?

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Individualism has pushed itself to the point in our country where people care more about themselves than their kids.

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What does individualism have to do these self-preoccupied and unskillful parents?
People are bad parents because this is what they can be, because they don't know how to be different, and because the little understanding they have has to be used to meet the closest thing to self-interest. Every person works, first and foremost, towards their own interests, only that what this self-interests represents differs from individual to individual.
People set their goals according to their means and understanding. You can't build a rocket out of cow crap.

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Our education system has teachers that are unqualified and just bad at their jobs.

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To me it seems like there are two problems with education: at home and the schools. You need to improve both if you want to fix all of the problems.

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Saying 'just schools' need to improve is not going to fix any of the fundamental developmental and educational problems children face when growing up. Saying 'just parents' isn't going to fix the problem either.

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MushroomTrip said:

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Saying 'just schools' need to improve is not going to fix any of the fundamental developmental and educational problems children face when growing up. Saying 'just parents' isn't going to fix the problem either.

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I am not saying that it is only schools that should change. I agree that both parents and schools are essential in child development.
It all comes down to what's achievable in the moment, and what's most likely to happen. Parents aren't conducting any scientific research and most of them aren't reading books on child education. The educational system, however, already has this kind of knowledge. This information is already there, all it has to do is to be implemented. If this will happen, it will also change the face of parenting, because, in time, all these kids which will be educated in all these new ways will have a greater understanding and insight than their parents, and will become better parents. This change just has to start from somewhere.

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hoodbran said:

How can this be so?

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Said children grow into adults who do not question the authority figures.

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MushroomTrip said:

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Said children grow into adults who do not question the authority figures.

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Or non-authority figures. They're just as full of crap.

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MushroomTrip said:

That's about it really.
It's not only authority figures that need to be questioned, explored, figured out. Do you need an explanation on why this is so?

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soldatheero said:

The system is setup so everyone can keepup. Most teachers in kindgergarden and the early grades are women because women get along better with children because they are more like children themselves. The system is practically geared towards women this is why 75percent of todays universities are full of women where the fuck are all the men? Its not about seeking knowledge its about seeking a peace of paper. Men actually are more intellectually geared then women the fact there are more women in school is evidence it's design is flawed.

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, IMO, could be some more or less isolated social trend

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Mr. Cypher said:

I purposefully failed out. 

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I seriously did purposely fail out of high school. I new I wouldn't graduate for three months and still went to class everyday until my councelor (also my next door neighbor) told me to just go home, it wasn't worth my time.There was 3 days of school left.

IMO schools suck because of school boards. We shouldn't be taught facts through the filter of the dominate political ideology. Zero tolerance needs to go. Kids try new things, it's damn near the definition of being a kid. Homework is fucking stupid for some students. I aced tests all the way throughout school, I failed out because I refused to do the homework.

We should integrate teaching logic after learning the alphabet, alongside basic math and reading skills. If you can add, you can understand the basics of logic.

So much of my life was wasted in public schools. Nearly everything I learned, I did so because I enjoyed learning and enjoyed the subject, outside of the school system.

I guess I can thank them for the fundamentals though

Mr.Al said:

The authorities seem to me to be the most dangerous individuals.  Those that wish to control the thoughts and actions of other people are indeed a threat.

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A good teacher tells someone to think for themselves.  This is very different from controlling psychopaths.

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soldatheero said:

Haha pretty chilled approach I was expecting\hoping for more of a rise out of you.
I really don't think it is a social trend, I'm just giving you my honest opinion. I think its actually true but nobody wants to admit the differences between the sexes. I think men and women are equal, what men have with intellect women compensate with more wisdom and down to earth thinking, I find women more grounded and practical.

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