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Personal belief systems
    #2190341 - 12/19/03 02:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Something been bothering me lately. When someone tells me something that he/she does in his or her life, I may not agree with it, but that's just me, is the way I see it. Who am I to criticize?

For instance, my girlfriend comes to me and says that she is into bondage. Now, personally, I'm not into bondage. But I guess I have other stuff going on in my life on which I have to take crap from people.

So she has taken some crap from people who say she shouldn't be into bondage, that she should get counseling to fix whatever personal psychological problems she has that make her want to engage in these activities, etc.

She's happy doing this. Others think she shouldn't be happy, based on their interpretation of the world and their own experiences.

Why do people feel that they need to impose their own beliefs and lifestyles on others? Her life works for her. Just because it doesn't work for these other people doesn't mean it's wrong.

And if it's wrong, shouldn't she discover that for herself?


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190344 - 12/19/03 02:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Can I have her phone number?  :stoned:


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190360 - 12/19/03 02:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

hehe people need to impose their viewpoints on another because they are full of judgement.  like I was shroomin yesterday, and I did my route (like 6 hours into it)  my eyes were still dialated somewhat, but a person said to me, many ou don't look so good.  and I'm like "gee thanks..I'm glad I don't feel how I look! your input was not needed"

and that's really all that needs to be said, at least mindset wise. see, that's all you need too, don't even think about their judgements, let em think they are doing you a serivce.  :smile:

you are very open-minded to not judge too quickly.  too bad there's not hella more people like this :smile:  but then again, who am I to say what is good and what isn't :smile:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: kaiowas]
    #2190379 - 12/19/03 02:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, I agree they are probably full of judgment, but WHY? Is it motivated by fear?

I was talking about this with someone else. He said that people need to feel comfortable about their lives. If they see someone doing something that is different, such as the alternative life-style, they may be intimidated by it for various reasons.

For instance, "maybe I'm not doing it so good the way I'm doing it". "I need everyone else to be like me."

Oh, did I say the rules for this thread? NO BIG HUGE PARAGRAPHS!!!


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190409 - 12/19/03 02:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

See, how is it that people decide that they can comment on someone's lifestyle? Make judgments? Why?


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190412 - 12/19/03 02:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

People get fanatical and impose their belief systems as a projection of their insecurity. A person who does not have repressed sexuality issues does not feel the need to judge someone for bondage.

Most people do not even know why they believe what they do. I think it was Mark Twain who said people get their religious ideas the same way as they get their political, secondhand and without inspection.

Something that annoys me about beliefs is that they often override rationale and logic. I think swami made a post about this where someone said, I know what I believe and nothing can ever change my mind. This becomes an issue in religion. People are so "Founded" in their religious beliefs that they often ignore everything else.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190432 - 12/19/03 02:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

All I know is that the Jewish people didn't like living in bondage.... :grin:
Peace.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190434 - 12/19/03 02:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

We are all patiently waiting for you to share your kinks with us. We know you are just dying to spill it... :loveeyes:


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190481 - 12/19/03 03:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

by saying no huge paragraphs you limit me here with your judgement, hehe :wink:

but really why do they say things?? well it stems from the ego I think, and so maybe they don't have many people to talk to or maybe no friends?
there are many reasons?

what fear reasons could you think up of?? maybe judemental people are also too busy thinking about what others think of them perhaps??? that fear???


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190542 - 12/19/03 03:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think she's wrong and needs to be flogged... :lol:
hmmm...the irony  :smirk:


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: lucid]
    #2190552 - 12/19/03 03:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If u send her to me, I promise to chain her, spank her
and show her the error of her ways...


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: lucid]
    #2190597 - 12/19/03 03:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

SpecialEd: Something that annoys me about beliefs is that they often override rationale and logic. I think swami made a post about this where someone said, I know what I believe and nothing can ever change my mind.




I believe what I believe, but I am always open to someone else's point of view. If it doesn't fit with what I believe, I disregard it, but I don't try to change the other person's point of view. I just share my point of view and move on.

Quote:

kaiowas: by saying no huge paragraphs you limit me here with your judgement, hehe




You can write as much as you want, just break the paragraph up into small paragraphs, if you are the type to write big paragraphs with no breaks.

Quote:

Swami: We are all patiently waiting for you to share your kinks with us. We know you are just dying to spill it...




I'll never tell!


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190934 - 12/19/03 05:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

*Swami slaps forehead*

I can't believe how feeble I am getting. There is NO girlfriend into bondage. It's you, isn't it?


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2190970 - 12/19/03 05:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I believe what I believe, but I am always open to someone else's point of view.

Let's look at this statement, if you already believe in something, you have given yourself to it, you have centered on some idea, a person, an object. You cannot possibly be open to another 'belief' or point of view fully, completely, and without judgement, your acceptance of another point of view is superficial.

it doesn't fit with what I believe, I disregard it

Right, your beliefs are a filter to everything you percieve. Beliefs blind you from truths. If you disregard things that don't fit into your belief system, can you ever see the truth of an idea, an action, an experience if you are constantly filtering and judging based on your conditioning to some particular belief? be it a religion, your customs or culture, your education, etc.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Frog]
    #2191490 - 12/19/03 09:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The bondage revelation would be a shocker when it comes from a SO, but I see what you mean, Frog.

A few years ago I was watching my girlfriend fold her undies and put them in the drawer (a favorite past time). She expressed a desire for me to umm..wear her underwear. Well it was definately a non-starter. But I realize now that everyone has their little kinks, sexually, mentally, and otherwise. And if you attack that you have more problems than you started with. And if you attack that you have more problems than you started with. Why did I repeat that? Because once is never enough.

Tolerance is a virtue the world needs sooooo much more of. Live and let live. Go with the flow. That doesn't mean you should let people run roughshod over you, just that we should pick our battles with care.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Jellric]
    #2191536 - 12/19/03 09:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So, in summation, we should all be a l-i-t-t-l-e more tolerant of Michael Jackson's quirks.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Swami]
    #2191573 - 12/19/03 10:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think its halarious... So many people choose to be tolerant of the WRONG Things. Who gives a shit if your into bondage? Who does that hurt? LOL.. Well i mean... a real hurt... Im not saying people who like it... anyway, i hope you see my point.

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This reminds me of a thread that silversoul started about pedophilia... Just because having relationships with the same sex doesnt mean that its okay to just go "play" with little boys. The psychological differences are so vastly different, to talk about such a thing in our society is to ignore more than you could put into a short idea in a short paragraph.
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Im for the intolerance of BULLSHIT, of people making lame excuses to be pitied, to be cried on because people dont accept their lifestyle. who gives a shit, live your life the way you want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else, then get down to the real playing field, and start to see yourself as a human with a choice. Then decide if your gonna be benefit to the world or not... no half ass shit! This is the real deal yo's.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Swami]
    #2191602 - 12/19/03 10:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If you're talking about the charges against him, I think the gloved one is innocent mmk?
Some people just wanna be startin somethin'.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: Swami]
    #2191690 - 12/19/03 10:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

edited.

thank you jerillic. I didn't think about that.


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Re: Personal belief systems [Re: kaiowas]
    #2191732 - 12/19/03 11:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

my eyes were still dialated somewhat,

I know what you mean, kaiowas. When I was in California we went to an amusement park in San Diego, and I decided it would be fun to take some acid and go on a rollercoaster. Well, the wait inline was longer than I wanted, my eyes were dilated and the natives were getting restless. It was a very sunny day. I am told I have a "presence" regardless when entering a room, so I'm sure that plus the eyes spooked some straights near me. When it dawned on me I just pulled a baseball cap over my eyes and everything was fine.

"Judge not by appearances, but judge rightous judgement."


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