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OfflineAludyd
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Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspective
    #481376 - 12/05/01 11:50 PM (15 years, 9 days ago)

Two things on my mind looking if anyone can try to psycoanalyze them.

First on various differant substances i get this awarenes that my mind works with this sort of built in feeling.
As if there is someone from a sort of third person existential perspective
That somehow understand what im going through
can see my life kind of. Some kind of thing that my actions go unnoticed.
Now when on shit like DXm,Cid and Salvia
i become aware of this and how fooled i am.
Then i get this horrible existential feeling that i am alone in the universe.

Other thing....... ive had some good experiances with luicd dreams
Have had several.......
Most memmorable one was
Brunt out on weed lucid dream
I tried to form a hot woman and my mind was so tired..
so human blob formed and i just said WTF and ran away.
Running i tried ot freeze water on a lake.
Ice was to thin and i fell in.... so i said fuck it and gave into the dream....... no longer lucid
Well anyways even not burnt out
I have lucid dreams and i can kind of make certain things appear and happen.
Like make it so bullets dont hurt me.
I have trouble flying ...... i get this ohrrible feeling when i cant concentrate enough to fly.
Sometimes i get up in the air and come down.
I just have this whole thing where i cant put it together and fly.

Then the people in my dream start hassling me because i said i could fly.
Then i say well im still invincible and start shooting em all up.



ANY thoughts people??


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Re: Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspective [Re: Aludyd]
    #481775 - 12/06/01 11:32 AM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I don't think there is any contradiction in your initial passage, which is something that I think you don't believe. It is possible for one to 'be alone in the universe' while indeed being surrounded by life. There are two good examples that might offer up some modicum of clarity that I'll share briefly. The first, god is alone in this universe for by liberal definition...it encompasses the whole of reality and physical existance - there is nothing out of god by defininition. Second, in our culture during our childhood there is created a certain mental programme which is called 'Ego'. Ego is the notion of self that we carry with us that makes us believe that there is a distinct and meaningful seperation between the 'us' that rests inside the boundary of our skin and the rest of the universe that is 'outside' our skin. It is very possible to momentarily 'transcend' this mental projection of self and enter into a more dramatic and fruitful understanding of the nature of 'self'. But also, sometimes when on drugs (and this is why I do not advocate everyone doing drugs) your ego is not eliminated, but rather /empowered/ by the substances. All of your fears and anxieties come shining through and manifest with the distinct aura of truth - the difficulty is that while the notion that there is a transpersonal '3rd person' constantly in contact with you and notion that you're essentially alone /are both true/ depending upon your point of view. From the perspective of EGO (again, our notion of self) we /are/ alone. The catch is that EGO is not totally 'true' itself - in fact, most of our notions of ego are outrightly false. From the realm of existance beyond ego there is no emptiness, there is no disconnection - that is all there is, levels of deeper and broader and more discrete connection to /everything/. The trick is to understand that the lonliness and emptiness is a product of ego. And the connection is the truth. This is why the 'defeat' of ego is relied upon so heavily by every religion and belief system (the wording will be different but the essential meaning remains the same) to generate so called 'religious experience'.

The Lucid dreaming...when I fly in my dreams on the rare occurence that I make my dreams lucid...it doesn't happen all at once and I don't usually 'fly' as superman does. I 'fly' in the old chinese sense of mythological flying where the sense is more that my body becomes VERY light but my muscles remain just as strong. I can then JUMP and remain in the air for long periods of time. And eventually when I get re-used to this feeling I can trick myself with the old Hitchhiker's Guide trick of: Simply missing the ground. But what you seem to be combating is a /belief/ that has wedged itself inside your subconscious - that you cannot indeed fly. Instead of trying to /concentrate/ on flying, try /letting go/ enough to fly. Letting go of your anxiety and fear and most especially the beliefs (symbolized by the other people in your dream that you're evidentially trying to 'impress' or 'prove wrong' with your ability to fly). If you want to fly, just /allow/ yourself to do it and take off. I find that it's best to have a running start.

Ish


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Re: Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspective [Re: Ishmael]
    #481946 - 12/06/01 02:52 PM (15 years, 8 days ago)

I love soaring through the air in my dreams...

Once I know that I'm in a dream, I can do anything that I believe I can do. Doubt is what carries me down while in the air. Doubt is what makes me wake up...


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Re: Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspec [Re: Adamist]
    #483739 - 12/08/01 03:33 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)

yeah, flying is cool but nothing is cooler than jumping so high that you think you'll die when you crash on the ground, but when you crash nothing bad happens (besides being scared) and you can jump again... =)


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Re: Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspective [Re: Ishmael]
    #483769 - 12/08/01 04:31 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)

I remember a quote I once heard.. "Flying is easy, just throw yourself at the ground and miss" I really liked it...

Until about 3 days ago, I was never able to fly in my dreams.. the second I would start to fly, my stomach would come out form under me and I would awaken.. with my arms and legs in the air flailing, as if you balance myself. This recent dream though.. was in an indoor arena... I was gliding around it with the greatest of ease.. avoiding the person who was hunting me.. but IW as too quick, to graceful to get shot.. I would kick off on of the curverd "walls" and kind of swoop at another, then dive at another swooping just before hitting, always just hovering.. floating around. It was the single most enjoyable dream I have eve had. Ever.


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Re: Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspective [Re: Jared]
    #483771 - 12/08/01 04:57 AM (15 years, 6 days ago)

Those dreams kick ass don't they? Just floating around, nonchalantly escaping the predator while enjoying yourself.


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Re: Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspec [Re: felixhigh]
    #23204994 - 05/09/16 09:22 AM (6 months, 29 days ago)

This is great and what i always say <3


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Re: Lucid Dreams/ Thrid Person Existential Perspec [Re: PrincessNova]
    #23207812 - 05/09/16 11:05 PM (6 months, 29 days ago)

Isn't it strange, learning how to fly in your dream?

I've discovered a balance between awareness directly effects my ability to fly..to aware and I wake up, not aware enough, and I sink.


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