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Speaking of Lucid Dreaming...
    #1594309 - 05/30/03 08:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone here ever done it? I've only done it a handful of times, but a good lucid dream is comparable to shrooms.

The very best one of all just went on and on and on. Where dreams are normally insubstantial and vague, I fucking *WOKE UP INSIDE THE DREAM* and it was so REAL. I was in an actual place, or so it seemed. The colors were intense. The landscape was surreal, but real, and relatively constant. So were the people. The only thing dreamlike about the whole experience was the powers I learned I had. If I found myself at the top of a cliff, I could will stairs into existence. Any problem that confronted me was no problem to handle. I could think entire symphonies out loud just like in Richard Bach's Illusions. I had woken up in the dream, but the people in my dream didn't know that. They freaked when I explored my new powers.And what really made it all so neat was that I was so incredibly BOMBED. Fucking la-la land. I've never been so stoned in my life. I kept expecting it to end - usually my excitement awakens me when I start to Lucid Dream - but it lasted for what seemed like hours.

I embarked on a grand bacchanal and recreated something closely akin to the Circus Circus Casino in Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas. I peopled it with similarly bizarre creatures and caroused, the god of my own little lunatic universe, happy in my debauchery, the perfect host, conjuring cheap tricks and reveling in what must have been a pure dopamine drip into my brain's pleasure center. God, it was good! Gradually, after what seemed like hours, I faded out until I was no longer Lucid. I was asleep again but the dream went on...only now it was just an ordinary dream, and I was my ordinary dreaming self, occluded, slow and clumsy.

Whenever I have one of those dreams, I wake up realizing that the waking world is just a vague shadow on the wall, and we are bumbling dimbulbs like our dreaming selves, shuffling along aimlessly, barely able to navigate because we lack so many of the higher senses.

And all my days are trances
And all my nightly dreams
Are where thy dark eye glances
And where thy footstep gleams
In what ethereal dances
By what eternal streams

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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: LucidDream]
    #1594407 - 05/30/03 08:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I've done it afew times and love it! Its soooo cool, I cant explain in detail whats up with it but its cool hehe. Thats why I'm getting Dream Herb, should be getting here tomorrow. I'll let you know how that goes.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: LucidDream]
    #1594409 - 05/30/03 08:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Ive tried it before but cant say that i ever did it.

"but a good lucid dream is comparable to shrooms"
-or is it the other way around?

Everytime i start to do it i wake up, and tips for a boy tryin to control his dreams.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: apuffball]
    #1594485 - 05/30/03 08:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Wake up, like with your alarm after sleeping 5hrs, then try to control your dream as you quickly fall back asleep...


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: apuffball]
    #1594488 - 05/30/03 08:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Everytime i start to do it i wake up, and tips for a boy tryin to control his dreams.



http://www.erowid.org/spirit/dreaming/dreaming.shtml


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: DailyPot]
    #1594495 - 05/30/03 09:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, i tried keeping a log book, and reminding myself to recognize when a dream starts but that shit just dont work for me, ill keep tryin tho??


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: DailyPot]
    #1594501 - 05/30/03 09:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Pray tell, what is Dream Herb? I've considered some of the electronic devices for Lucid Dreaming, but I'd much prefer an herbal alternative.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: LucidDream]
    #1594512 - 05/30/03 09:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Pray tell, what is Dream Herb? I've considered some of the electronic devices for Lucid Dreaming, but I'd much prefer an herbal alternative.



Dream Herb

Dream Herb was traditionally used by the Chontal Natives of Oaxaca, Mexico. It would be prepared as a tea and drank while smoking a cigarette made up of the foliage just before going to bed.

Those who partook of the Dream Herb were able to experience lucid dreaming; the ability to control and remember their dreams with less effort. Auditory hallucinations are also fairly common, which prompted the Chontals, believing they were hearing the voice of God, to refer to Calea zacatechici as Leaf of God.

Exactly how Dream Herb effects the brain is not well understood. Modern studies have shown an increase in brain activity during sleep and some minor hallucinations of subjects when awake.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: apuffball]
    #1594517 - 05/30/03 09:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

DailyPot's advice is a good starter. Another interesting technique is detailed at the end of Journeys Out of the Body, by Robert A. Monroe. His "Dream Tek" is kind of frustrating and requires almost infinite patience. It also helps if you don't have a day job, because you will be tired. But he's more into OOB, and I've never been able to pull that off. That's some freaky shit.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: LucidDream]
    #1594840 - 05/30/03 10:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I used to lucid dream regularly before a really bad shroom trip 3 months ago, which left me with a severe Depression and anxiety disorder. Anyways, the best way I found (since I knew I had a rather obsessive personality) was to constantly question myself if I was dreaming every 10 or 20 minutes or whenever I remembered to... then I would read a piece of text, look away for a few seconds and reread it, if the text changed in any way I was probably dreaming.  Through this behavioural conditioning I soon found myself doing this while dreaming and realizing that I was dreaming. I had the wildest dreams but it was tough to stay lucid in the dreams - i.e. after ataining lucidity I would often forget that I was dreaming and the dream would fade back into a normal dream. Then I discovered a really powerful technique (either from Casteneda's Dreaming bk, or Stephen La Berge's Lucid dreaming bk not sure where) - I would spin in my dream every time I felt I was starting to fade. This allowed me to maintain lucidity for a longer time. However, even then I soon came to realize that lucid dreams (like most dreams) are relatively short. In any case, I abandoned the activity after I almost lost my mind (rather... I "felt" like I was losing my mind) after my shroom trip. The last thing I want to do now is question reality, or whether I'm really awake or dreaming. A friend of mine further terrified me by telling me that some people can't tell the diff between dreaming and reality... scary... yikes, I feel scared just typing this... am I awake ? did I just say that ? did they hear me ? :grin: 


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: lucid]
    #1594865 - 05/30/03 10:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

BTW, interestingly I discovered that while I could often control many things in my dream, sometimes even after becomming lucid and knowing I was dreaming, I still couldn't manage to do certain things. e.g. sometimes I just couldn't fly inspite of my efforts, or sometimes I'd be flying and would start falling, unable to sustain flight. Interestingly, I would also get scared (I guess at the possibility that I might not be dreaming or could somehow get hurt), but could generally pull myself out of this.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: lucid]
    #1594935 - 05/30/03 10:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I've had some pretty wild lucid dreaming experiences, maybe I'll write more if I get the time. But this one experience I just remembered was when I was extreemly tired in the afternoon, lay down, looked at the clock, dozed off, had a really vivid lucid dream in which a person came and told me stuff about my personal life that would happen in the near future (and of course never did), and then woke up only to see the clock and realize I had slept all of 10 or 20 minutes...


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: LucidDream]
    #1595242 - 05/31/03 12:58 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I've done it a few times, I love them! ^_^


Lucid dreaming played a big role into getting me into drugs and shit.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: Sombie]
    #1595292 - 05/31/03 01:21 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I just bought a digital watch.. I make sure to look at it during the day every chance I get.. I guess I'll eventually get in the habit and try and read the time when I'm in a dream, and then I may become lucid.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: Grav]
    #1596596 - 05/31/03 05:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i've practiced lucid dreaming for awhile, and some of my experiences have led me to believe that this is an ability that deserves much respect. to exist in a conciousness where you can manipulate all your surroundings at will can prove to be quite a powerful experience.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: dpc2424]
    #1596646 - 05/31/03 05:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, I know :laugh:
I actully worry about this sometimes. I know power, especially alot of it, is a bad thing. But I *LOVE* that ultimate pure absolute power! And thats natural but I cant help feeling theres something wrong with it like its making me worse of a person.

I dont even do good things with it. Yeah I know its just a dream but still. Once I realized its all about me whatever is going on stops, reality bends to my will because I make it. And I use all my power for nothing else than personal pleasure. I rarely do things for other people or even care about being nice.

I stop being equal, I dunno how superman is such a hero when I just like to fuck around. I think if I were him I'd end up taking over the world, its just a matter of time...


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: DailyPot]
    #1596669 - 05/31/03 06:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

>to exist in a conciousness where you can manipulate all your surroundings at
>will can prove to be quite a powerful experience.

yeah, my ex wife lived in that state of conciousness :grin:
seriously though, I wonder if such practices (like lucid dreaming) can be
"unhealthy". I heard that some yogi's practice it. I often hear people say
"anything taken to the extreeme can be unhealthy", but how does one
determine extreeme ? I mean our current life styles could be considered
extreeme too... besides some monks meditate for the better part of their waking
lives and they seem pretty stable. 


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: DailyPot]
    #1596716 - 05/31/03 06:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I ussally just fly around until I find some chick and then I fuck her, not exsactly the most moral thing to do...



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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: Sombie]
    #1597487 - 06/01/03 03:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I believe that it might be negative, because you would be experiencing real sitituations in an unreal environment, making life less meaningful, these experiences dont have their consquences, like they would in reality. Sombie you might eventually lose intrest in fucking chicks lol

Im concerned about the moral problems it might cause, not physical, but mental .. where you could do anything to anyone .. I believe you have to take your morals into the dream state, and the only morals in a world where you technically are God, is the relegious understanding .. you wont take for granted the powers of this amazing creation, your own mind .. instead will reveer the creator of it.

In world where you have absolute power, the only thing which can keep you sane, is knowing that there is someone more powerful in the end.


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Re: Speaking of Lucid Dreaming... [Re: nemesis]
    #1597501 - 06/01/03 03:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Its not that you dont have morals because you're in the dream world. Has nothing to do with that... If you had the same powers in the real world I believe it would be the same issue. Absolute power corupts either way.

I dont believe many people can handle absolute power with abusing it. Its the same in dreams. Why should you do anything? There is a line but where is it? In your dreams you draw it...

I dont think its a big deal either way, and if it is then it doesn't matter cuz theres nothing you/we can do about it anyways. I dont think life becomes less meaningful afterwards. Also I dont think real life would have consquences if I had my powers :wink:


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