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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Icelander]
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Did I say I was a mystic?

Hint: NO

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Icelander]
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if you want an interesting first person point of view book, written by a western psychologist and combat vet who also was a martial arts master and student of East Indian kundalini yogic systems...he claims to have awakened his kundalini energy by himself, which apparently was enough to really damage him for a bit, since he didn't know to do a lot of things that he learned later.

any way..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoshin_Roshi_Ryu

interesting stuff. i saw him do some things that were, to me, inexplicable.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: REGISTERED USER]
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Well I've never seen another one here. So we can't attack things that don't exist. I just assumed you meant you. Sorry.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Well I've never seen another one here. So we can't attack things that don't exist. I just assumed you meant you. Sorry.


Big fish small pond

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: laotzo]
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laotzo said:
if you want an interesting first person point of view book, written by a western psychologist and combat vet who also was a martial arts master and student of East Indian kundalini yogic systems...he claims to have awakened his kundalini energy by himself, which apparently was enough to really damage him for a bit, since he didn't know to do a lot of things that he learned later.

any way..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoshin_Roshi_Ryu

interesting stuff. i saw him do some things that were, to me, inexplicable.



he claims

This is always the problem for me. I've been around people all my life who claimed power and wouldn't demonstrate it when asked or who claimed they knew someone who had it. You know how many books are out there with someone claiming something you will never see yourself? Who do you choose to believe? In the mean time the Randi million just gathers dust.

But honestly I remain ultimately agnostic on all this. I'm just waiting to see it in person or experience something for myself.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Icelander]
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For a guy into super-health, he checked out long before your average obese smoker.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Icelander]
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This is always the problem for me. I've been around people all my life who claimed power and wouldn't demonstrate it when asked or who claimed they knew someone who had it.


I knew a guy who claimed his Master, the founder of Ba Gua and in his 80s at the time, could not be defeated.

True story.

Remember that Master's only like to run tiny dojos and impress their handful of incredulous students at $100 a month rather than win millions in a cage.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: REGISTERED USER]
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REGISTERED USER said:
Attacking mystics is the game here. It seems convoluted.


Wow. You really know this place well.

REGISTERED USER said:
I read the rules. It doesn't say I have to answer your questions.


True... but it does say this:

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This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning. 


And this...

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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.


Welcome to The Shroomery.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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For some, whining is more fun than understanding the house rules and/or how to properly debate. :shrug:


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Chakras are points on your spine and brain, a mapping of the human nervous system. Is not just some eastern bullshit


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Who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Aleph1]
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Clarify. There are a zillion number of points on your spine.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Aleph1]
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Aleph1 said:
Chakras are points on your spine and brain, a mapping of the human nervous system. Is not just some eastern bullshit


I think a diagram of the spine and brain would serve as a 'Map'... since maps are REPRESENTATIONS.

If chakras are a Map (which is a theory I am willing to entertain) wouldn't they have to be representations too?


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Clarify. There are a zillion number of points on your spine.


And these happen to be some points. For instance compression in the lower back would result in abdominal pain, by "clearing the chakra" or just getting a massage the discomfort is remedied. Compression in the upper back or knotting is constantly conjoined with anxiety and stress, again stretching or a massage will improve upon both stress and the back.

More simply put approximate locations in the spine correspond directly to seemingly unrelated bodily phenomena.


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Who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Aleph1 said:
Chakras are points on your spine and brain, a mapping of the human nervous system. Is not just some eastern bullshit


I think a diagram of the spine and brain would serve as a 'Map'... since maps are REPRESENTATIONS.

If chakras are a Map (which is a theory I am willing to entertain) wouldn't they have to be representations too?



Mapping means a one-to-one and onto correspondence from one thing to another, as in a geographical map. In this case the chakras map to other body locations.

Representations? The two things, the map and the real thing are not representative if you mean they are similar in appearance or function.


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Who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Aleph1]
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Dude, you are all over the map.

Pinched nerves are well understood and have no relationship to the traditional chakra definitions.

Tense muscles also have nothing to do with traditional chakra definitions.

And now "chakra clearing" = massage?

Impossible to follow you.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Aleph1]
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Aleph1 said:
Mapping means a one-to-one and onto correspondence from one thing to another, as in a geographical map. .


I have trouble understanding this thought... but it seems you are suggesting that maps are the SAME SIZE as the thing they are mapping.

No, maps are scaled representations. A map of your home town is a piece of PAPER which REPRESENTS the actual city around you.

If chakras are a map (and again, I am willing to entertain this idea) then they REPRESENT something else.


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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes said:
Aleph1 said:
Mapping means a one-to-one and onto correspondence from one thing to another, as in a geographical map. .


I have trouble understanding this thought... but it seems you are suggesting that maps are the SAME SIZE as the thing they are mapping.

No, maps are scaled representations. A map of your home town is a piece of PAPER which REPRESENTS the actual city around you.

If chakras are a map (and again, I am willing to entertain this idea) then they REPRESENT something else.


No I don't mean that the map is the same size as the thing it corresponds. These points on the spine represent other parts of the human body.


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Who you jivin' with that cosmic debris?

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Rose]
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I have trouble understanding this thought... but it seems you are suggesting that maps are the SAME SIZE as the thing they are mapping.

He's thinking "mapping" in the context of Set Theory.

Aleph 1. Get it? :tongue2:


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Diploid]
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hey to your comment about show you a picture of chakras why dont you show me a picture of air or any other invisible gas?


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: thedudenj]
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show me a picture of air or any other invisible gas?

I'm not sure why you're asking me that, but here you go. Air is 21% oxygen and 79% nitrogen, give or take.

Oxygen looks like this:



Nitrogen looks like this:



Even when not liquefied, air can be felt in a breeze, it has weight that can be measured when you fill a scuba tank, it transmits energy in the form of sound and convection, and lots of other things that make its existence real.

Not chakras. They can't be seen, measured, touched, captured, or anything else at all. :shrug:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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