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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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I like the computer analogy, if the processor isn't fast enough then too many programs running at once causes them to run less efficiently (dysfunctional)

The radio thing is cool too, one station drowning out the others, we listen so much to our own station, it can be hard to hear what others are broadcasting, plus its much better to listen to the music than the dj talking crap


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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Chronic7]
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Well the tendency often is to attribute these events to some other worldly or mystical cause rather than a normal physical one that we are not familiar with or haven't really noticed before.

Verita's is great at that IMO because she has vast knowledge in brain function and human psychology among a ton of other things. She's constantly putting me straight and my fears to rest.:blush: It's a very humbling relationship in that way. She's so much more practical, reasonable and learned and intelligent then I am.:shrug:

Good thing I'm rich and good looking.  :shirtlesssoldier:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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lol anyone who puts fear to rest is very good


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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Chronic7]
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Yeah, she's a real babe. :heart::thumbup::heart::thumbup:

And a completely honest and trustworthy friend.  Hard to believe she likes me.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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I think there is another difference in this semi aware state - maybe the brain waves are closer to the dream frequency or something. I i think that people who channel spirits (and who believe it) do this. probably talking in tongues as well. almost seems like a hypnotic sstate

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Freedom]
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I thnk the same stuff goes on, theres just less idenfication as being the one whose 'doing' it all...


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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Freedom]
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I suspect this is correct and it's all normal operations of an amazing organ.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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Interesting... I would argue for a possible explanation outside of your brain (which is highly overrated organ IMO).

I know this is a stretch for us living under the spell of Newtonian-Cartesian scientific paradigm, but most other belief systems and paradigms outside western science acknowledge that not all our thoughts, are really our own... but could have an outside source as well.

And you don't have to be mad to acknowledge this as a possibility. Even C.G. Jung wrote in his autobiography that the majority of insights he received on the nature of collective unconscious was not his own, but were channeled to him by some entity (I don't remember the name).


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"Who are you who live in all these many forms? You're death that captures all. You too are the source of all that's gonna be born. You're glory, mercy, peace, truth. You give calm a spirit, understanding, courage, the contented heart."

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: redtailedhawk]
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ever walk by a guy on the street and recognize the facial expression, as one you may have had one day when, as a child, someone was really bugging you?

I often see people on the street, reliving their agonies and doing their regular chores at the same time.

not just reliving the suffering, but cultivating it as the inherent rhythm of their lives.

Little partial conversations must be going on in the background, helping to sustain the grimaces.


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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I have some other strange phenomena to report. I seem to be remembering dreams in long chains from the past. A certain type of thought will trigger a remembered dream which will then spiral into a long chain of remembered dreams which often took place many years or even decades ago. Sometimes twenty or more dreams are remembered. This can happen at any time of day or night and is becoming very regular. The dreams often take place in unknown locations that do not seem to be on this planet. In fact some have several moons if the dream takes place at night.



So your mind is getting the feeling of deja vu repeatedly? ..how much time apart from each 'remembered' dream?

Sounds like it might be a seizure.

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
ever walk by a guy on the street and recognize the facial expression, as one you may have had one day when, as a child, someone was really bugging you?

I often see people on the street, reliving their agonies and doing their regular chores at the same time.

not just reliving the suffering, but cultivating it as the inherent rhythm of their lives.

Little partial conversations must be going on in the background, helping to sustain the grimaces.


I am one of those people. 

Yesterday, for example, I was playing basketball, and whenever I made a mistake, I would dwell on it afterward, and even after the game had progressed, I would involuntarily scrunch my face in disgust when thoughts about the last mistake I made popped into my head.  I have this kind of emotional reaction all the time to memories, even of things that occurred months or years ago.  Often in the morning when I first wake up, I will have long strings of negative (often nonsensical) thoughts strung together, a monologue/dialogue about my life situation. 

This is probably where meditation is most beneficial, to clearly see this reactive process and the insubstantial nature of its triggers.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Cynosure]
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No not deja vu at all. Just remembered dreams and no real separation in time.

A seizure?:lol:  Not a chance.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: redtailedhawk]
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redtailedhawk said:
Interesting... I would argue for a possible explanation outside of your brain (which is highly overrated organ IMO).

I know this is a stretch for us living under the spell of Newtonian-Cartesian scientific paradigm, but most other belief systems and paradigms outside western science acknowledge that not all our thoughts, are really our own... but could have an outside source as well.

And you don't have to be mad to acknowledge this as a possibility. Even C.G. Jung wrote in his autobiography that the majority of insights he received on the nature of collective unconscious was not his own, but were channeled to him by some entity (I don't remember the name).




Well we'll have to disagree on this one as I see no evidence of outside entities in our world.

How is our brain overrated? I'd be curious to know.

As far as Jung goes, it's going to be my guess that in his older age with death approaching and no help for his personal death anxiety in sight he turned to mysticism for comfort. Another one bites the dust.:shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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Jung turned to mysticism from a pretty early age (early 20s) by some strange experiences.
I think it's a shame to write it off as death anxiety, Ice.
But we almost always disagree on that point.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Kickle]
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I'm not too sure about your claim. Care to share the paragraph or whatever where you found that.

I read the book Dreams Memories and Reflections and while he was greatly influenced by his early dreams I see nothing in those early years about him being a Mystic. And it must be remembered he was looking back in old age and evaluating his early experiences from that vantage point.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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"Quite early I had learned that it was necessary for me to instruct the figures of the unconscious, or that other group which is often indistinguishable from them, the "spirits of the departed." The first time I experienced this was on a bicycle trip through upper Italy which I took with a friend in 1910. On the way home we cycled from Pavia to Arona, on the lower part of Lake Maggiore, and spent the night there. We had intended to pedal on along the lake and then through the Tessin as far as Faido, where we were going to take the train to Zurich. But in Arona I had a dream which upset our plans.

In the dream I was in an assemblage of distinguished spirits of earlier centuries; the feeling was similar to the one I had later toward the "illustrious ancestors" in the black rock temple of my 1944 vision. The conversation was conducted in Latin. A gentleman with a long, curly wig addressed me and asked a difficult question, the gist of which I could no longer recall after I woke up. I understood him, but did not have a sufficient command of the language to answer him in Latin. I felt so profoundly humiliated by this that the emotion awakened me. At the very moment of awakening I thought of the book I was then working on,
Wandlungen und Symbole der Libido, and had such intense inferiority feelings about the unanswered question that I immediately took the train home in order to get back to work. It would have been impossible for me to continue the bicycle trip and lose another three days. I had to work, to find the answer."


From: On Life after Death


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
"Quite early I had learned that it was necessary for me to instruct the figures of the unconscious, or that other group which is often indistinguishable from them, the "spirits of the departed." The first time I experienced this was on a bicycle trip through upper Italy which I took with a friend in 1910. On the way home we cycled from Pavia to Arona, on the lower part of Lake Maggiore, and spent the night there. We had intended to pedal on along the lake and then through the Tessin as far as Faido, where we were going to take the train to Zurich. But in Arona I had a dream which upset our plans.

In the dream I was in an assemblage of distinguished spirits of earlier centuries; the feeling was similar to the one I had later toward the "illustrious ancestors" in the black rock temple of my 1944 vision. The conversation was conducted in Latin. A gentleman with a long, curly wig addressed me and asked a difficult question, the gist of which I could no longer recall after I woke up. I understood him, but did not have a sufficient command of the language to answer him in Latin. I felt so profoundly humiliated by this that the emotion awakened me. At the very moment of awakening I thought of the book I was then working on,
Wandlungen und Symbole der Libido, and had such intense inferiority feelings about the unanswered question that I immediately took the train home in order to get back to work. It would have been impossible for me to continue the bicycle trip and lose another three days. I had to work, to find the answer."


From: On Life after Death




Well I guess you are correct. To bad. I thought he was rational early on. ( my personal opinion of course)


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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lay off the drugs icelander! :awesome:


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Jesus loves you.

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: andrewss]
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Too late, damage done.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Odd/interesting. [Re: Icelander]
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:braindamage:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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