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Finding the secret and knowing everything
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Do you think it would be possible to learn the secret to life and understand everything in your life?

I have had a friend come out of a syrian rue and mushrooms trip and he said "I figured everything out" but after a while his ego rolled back on top of him.

Another friend on syrian rue DMT adderall and mushrooms learned the secret to life and thought he could end his life and enter into the next by just stopping his heart and breathing with his mind. The he started having convolutions and was screaming, crying, laughing and acting like rubber Johnny for about an hour but slowly came back to reality. Im just he thinks now that he figured it all out and that he was just not strong enough to handle it.

This has scared me from smoking NN-DMT or taking mushrooms for a while because these are my best friends and we pretty much trip with the same intent but I don't end up like the friend in that last paragraph. He was so scared and kept coming to the conclusion that the right thing to do was to kill himself. To pass on into this higher realm.

I mean before he started actually started to do it I was talking to him and it all sounded so plausible and some what similar to what I have felt on mushrooms but it went from manifesting the mind to something way more scary.

I am frighten to smoke DMT now, frighten that I will figure out something so great that I will want to kill myself. I mean that is what I use psychedelics for, for trying to understand and get out of this normal trance. But idk... I am scared.

Please someone who uses psychedelics for manifesting the mind and reaching places beyond, someone experienced with DMT tell me what is going on. Tell me why my friend experienced what he did.

Are we just opening doors that shouldn't be open?

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I am frighten to smoke DMT now, frighten that I will figure out something so great that I will want to kill myself.


Thats silly.  NN-DMT is a very safe drug, you just hold on and it brings you right back to where you left off in just a few short minutes.  You wouldn't be able to kill yourself if you wanted to, and you won't want to.

Your friends probalems were caused by the adderal, which should never be mixed with psychedelics.  Some people do ok on that combination but many others freak out, two of the worst psychedelic experiences of my life were due to similar combinations.  Never mix stimulants and psychedelics, its wrong on so many levels.

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I mean that is what I use psychedelics for, for trying to understand and get out of this normal trance. But idk... I am scared.


Psychedelics don't usually make people understand things, they just confuse your brain and make you feel funny.

Sometimes they do make people respect the earth more, which is good, but in general they don't do much of anything.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Dude, have you ever tried to learn math? That shit is fucking hard. There is no way you can know everything, because everything includes a ton of really fucked up complicated math. Your friend just momentarily felt like he understood everything, because he was under the effects of a psychedelic. It was a feeling, not a fact.

Also, sounds like your friends suck at tripping. Stop giving them drugs.

Edited by Anonymous (12/24/09 05:44 PM)

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I'm no longer young enough to know everything. :frown:

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Good point.  Its extremely common to understand everything while tripping, then forget it all before the next day.  Happens to everyone that uses psychedelics.

What are these people really understanding?  Probably something about universal love or peace or personal feelings, which is valuable, kind of, but at the same time that you feel that you understand everything, even the simplest algebra equation will be completely out of your grasp.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Adderal and syrian is just toxic. Your friend is an idiot.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Anonymous #5 said:
Adderal and syrian is just toxic. Your friend is an idiot.


Yeah, this is true, though I didn't even think of it at the time. Although, it probably just made the Adderall more meth-like in it's duration and action, but I don't doubt it had toxic side effects.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #3]
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The worst trip of my life was meth and mushrooms.  I laid in bed for 6 hours thinking I was going to die.  It seriously short circuited my brain.  I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.  It wasn't like I was speeding and tripping, it was more like I couldn't move or think or do anything else other than lay there and experience agony.



I wrote an erowid experience report in the hopes that I could save someone else from the same fate.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #2 said:
The worst trip of my life was meth and mushrooms.  I laid in bed for 6 hours thinking I was going to die.  It seriously short circuited my brain.  I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy.  It wasn't like I was speeding and tripping, it was more like I couldn't move or think or do anything else other than lay there and experience agony.



I wrote an erowid experience report in the hopes that I could save someone else from the same fate.


Try crack and jenkem

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #6]
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yeah im starting to get less scared of the DMT now and I want to try and smoke 50mgs but I don't think I should it alone. Before I would have done it alone for sure but after watching my friend I think I should try and get a sitter.

My friend doesn't suck at tripping either, he is a member of this site in fact (not like that makes him a good tripper lol) but he just had a really intense time.

I don't know why he took the adderall exactly but I think it is because it was several hours after taking the syrian rue and DMT. He had used syrian rue before and I think he just under estimated its powers. A bad mistake for sure.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #1]
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It is impossible to know everything because knowledge is a reflection of your environment and your environment changes. This means that knowledge is in a constant state of evolution, so much so that one day it may stop evolving and then re-evolve again from a different starting point.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #7]
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In november I ate some of the best acid I've ever had and learned the secret to everything/meaning of life. It was revealed to me in a brilliant flash of wisdom and eternal knowledge, and somehow, I think I was able to retain it:

The secret is.... nothing. There's nothing there. All that searching, pondering, philosophizing, investigating... once you get done with all that and really really look hard and deep and honestly... you'll find there's nothing there. Absolutely and completely nothing.

Nothing is what can never be taken away from you, and it's what you can never have (because it doesn't exist). We all dance around this existence trying to grasp as some nothing that isn't there and that grasping is what makes the world go 'round.

The world is exactly what we've made it through our actions, words, and thoughts. If you don't like the world, then start by changing these parameters. We build the world with our own hands.

We're all in this mess together, and we are all confused and lost. So one should live their life doing good things and exercising love, compassion, generosity, and compassion to help make this shithole of an existence slightly more tolerable, and perhaps even more heavenly.

I think this drives people crazy because they want to understand this "nothing" but they can't, because it doesn't exist.

IME DMT is a fucked up drug and you should be afraid to do that to your mind. If you want to have the full DMT experience, just eat high doses of mushrooms in silent darkness. It's slower, easier, more helpful, and the spirits of the mushroom are much more gentle.

But honestly, you won't find the meaning of life moreso there than anywhere else. Nothing is all around us and in us and through us. Just take the time to stop, still your mind, and remove all that crap (stuff is the opposite of nothing), and simply allow yourself to see what's already there.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #8]
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I should add that when I had this experience I was able to see the entire structure of the universe from beginning to end of space and time and consciousness and I saw what the true nature of reality is and what it's mechanics are all at once.

It's pretty complicated, and I won't try to explain it here, but it was pretty cool.

:bongload:

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #8]
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The virtue of being human is that we believe we can know far more than we are capable of knowing.

We barely know anything about the organisms on our own world, and the workings of our own solar system, and you (along with others) expect a single substance to act as the key to questions we cannot even comprehend yet?

Wishful thinking.

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Re: Finding the secret and knowing everything [Re: Anonymous #9]
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The best you can do is be aware and sense all you can, that is the realist thing there is.

An old saying: "The truth is a cow chewing its cud."

Edited by Anonymous (12/26/09 02:37 PM)

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