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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Immortality [Re: skullhuman]
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skullhuman said:
rogue_pixie said:
skullhuman said:
Maybe one's molecular assembly provides one's consciousness.  IF that's the case, then would the components of our awareness disperse as our physical bodies do? seeing as the two are seamlessly attached and are apparently one item, ultimately.


The brain is an amazing, highly complex organ that enables us to generate conscious thought, without it, conscious thought would not be possible.


Would you agree then that it's a complex of physical components, that interact in dynamic with one another to assemble the brain and enable it the kind of conscious thought that it has?


Yes but once that engine conks out, so does consciousness.


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"Whatever you do, you need to keep moving.  Because when you stop moving you die (physically and emotionally).

Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP


Edited by rogue_pixie (12/05/09 11:54 AM)

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Re: Immortality [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Then I'm curious what you meant by that post?


It's hard to explain but just that everything is connected but existing in different formations, so the formation of the atoms for a rock for instance, are the essence of the rock's existence.


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"Whatever you do, you need to keep moving.  Because when you stop moving you die (physically and emotionally).

Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP


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Re: Immortality [Re: rogue_pixie]
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I'd do anything for immortality.  Just leave me the option of committing suicide if I get bored.


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Re: Immortality [Re: rogue_pixie]
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rogue_pixie said:
Icelander said:
Then I'm curious what you meant by that post?


It's hard to explain but just that everything is connected but existing in different formations, so the formation of the atoms for a rock for instance, are the essence of the rock's existence.


Oh. I see what you're saying.

I would see the essence of the physical as energy.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Immortality [Re: skullhuman]
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skullhuman said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Every second can be divided infinitely.



False.


Okay, you let us know then what the definitive smallest increment of time is.  Also let us know when you find the smallest number, or the last one for that matter.


Am I the only one with an education here?

Planck time (~ 5.4 × 10−44 seconds)


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Re: Immortality [Re: deCypher]
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Nutter :lol:


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Re: Immortality [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
I'd do anything for immortality.  Just leave me the option of committing suicide if I get bored.



Here's my battle cry. GIVE ME IMMORTALITY OR GIVE ME DEATH! :dwarf:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Immortality [Re: rogue_pixie]
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rogue_pixie said:
skullhuman said:
rogue_pixie said:
skullhuman said:
Maybe one's molecular assembly provides one's consciousness.  IF that's the case, then would the components of our awareness disperse as our physical bodies do? seeing as the two are seamlessly attached and are apparently one item, ultimately.


The brain is an amazing, highly complex organ that enables us to generate conscious thought, without it, conscious thought would not be possible.


Would you agree then that it's a complex of physical components, that interact in dynamic with one another to assemble the brain and enable it the kind of conscious thought that it has?


Yes but one that engine conks out, so does consciousness.


I agree in a sense.  That is, I agree that the consciousness that the particular dynamic of the brain provides for conks out.  That is, your consciousness as the individual you are probably dissolves.  But if consciousness is tied to matter in the way described a few posts back, then it must also be elemental, in the way matter is.

So what I'm thinking maybe is, that every unique molecule, every unique atom 'conotates' its own 'brand' of consciousness, its own conscious identity, and that the synergy between the right grouping of them can bring about the net result of my consciousness, or yours.  So, the unified awareness between our collective parts, I agree, probably ceases at death, but only because it is dissipating, in that our conscious 'elements' disperse and recycle in the same way we see material things doing, because matter and consciousness are extensions of one another, and therefore representative of one another.








Anyway, just a thought.


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Re: Immortality [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
skullhuman said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Every second can be divided infinitely.



False.


Okay, you let us know then what the definitive smallest increment of time is.  Also let us know when you find the smallest number, or the last one for that matter.


Am I the only one with an education here?

Planck time (~ 5.4 � 10−44 seconds)


That's just the smallest man made measurement.


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Re: Immortality [Re: awesomebastard]
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That's just the smallest man made measurement.


False again. It is the theoretical limit. The smallest measurement is quite a bit longer.


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Re: Immortality [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Time is a mindset...doesn't matter how long you live your always on your deathbed. Only change is what you think you remembered happening before. To live immortally is a foolish wish.

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Re: Immortality [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Maybe it would have just sufficed to suggest that consciousness is composed of bits.
OrgoneConclusion said:
skullhuman said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Every second can be divided infinitely.



False.


Okay, you let us know then what the definitive smallest increment of time is.  Also let us know when you find the smallest number, or the last one for that matter.


Am I the only one with an education here?

Planck time (~ 5.4 � 10−44 seconds)


Familiar with it.  Extend your education by realizing that it's the smallest increment of time physics as of present can reason.  Is physics done now?


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Re: Immortality [Re: skullhuman]
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Extend your education by realizing that it's the smallest increment of time physics as of present can reason.


What part of 'theoretical' did you not get?


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Re: Immortality [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Extend your education by realizing that it's the smallest increment of time physics as of present can reason.


What part of 'theoretical' did you not get?


Must have been this part:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Every second can be divided infinitely.



False.


Oh? doesn't sound too theoretical of you.


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Re: Immortality [Re: skullhuman]
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OC writes: It is the theoretical limit.

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Oh? doesn't sound too theoretical of you.


:tard:


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Re: Immortality [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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The human race seems to be obsessed with immortality, but the idea seems ridiculous to me. I definitely do not like the idea of immortality. I don't even like the idea of living a very long time (say, hundreds of years), unless everyone else can live a very long time as well. I honestly hope I move on before I lose my mental faculties.

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Re: Immortality [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OC, give me a break, you've completely taken my post out of context.  Can't you contribute to a productive conversation?


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Re: Immortality [Re: morrowasted]
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Also, Planck time does not imply that time cannot be divided further. Planck time is the amount of time it takes light to travel one Planck length. Planck time is the limit- the smallest amount of time- that physics is capable of talking about. That doesn't mean it's the smallest amount of time that can be discussed in relation to things non-physical.

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Re: Immortality [Re: skullhuman]
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OC, give me a break, you've completely taken my post out of context.


You are a very funny man. Out of context? There was a sequence of posts that you pretend did not exist.

Quote:
Can't you contribute to a productive conversation?


Gee, in 11 years and 40,000 posts, I have never made a single productive statement.

I guess your carping on the fact that physics science is 'only' theoretical, a fact that no educated person has ever denied, is somehow productive and germane. :rolleyes:


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Re: Immortality [Re: EyelessVagabond]
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Living forever is not something i'd want. Living again and again might perhaps be a better option. Living only once is by far the nearest to what i may wish for. Never having to live at all is an equally difficult question to answer imo.

Would you want never to have lived at all?

If such a wish were possible that is :o)

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