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Immortality
    #5652711 - 05/20/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Some day immortality might become a scientific possibility, but for now it is not. I want to address the issue of the immortal soul. No experience that a human can have could possibly prove the existance of life after death. Astral projection, ghosts, ESP, and other paranormal phenomenon can only point to the possible existance of the paranormal....they are not a comment on the immortality of the human. The survival of the spirit is not certain by any means, and it seems to be an idea engendered by nothing more than the fear of death.

Now, when people start to think of themselves as immortal all sorts of petty behaviors start to occur. They often live their life as if the "afterlife" were more important or real than the here/now. They become judgemental and self righteous. They sometimes engage in violent acts towards their neighbors. They act as if they have all the time in the world and seldom even attempt to acheive their potential. When one accepts their mortality as real then one develops a greater appreciation for life. They truly begin to understand the value that life...not just human life...but any life...has. Being a mere mortal strips away all kinds of pettiness and self pity. You only have time to do things of value. Engaging in valueless acts becomes desparately irrational in the light of our mortality. Your time is limited...appreciate what you do have, and live every day like there might not be another.

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Do what you wanna
Do what you will
Just don't mess up
Your neighbor's thrill
And when you pay the bill
Kindly leave a little tip
And help the next poor sucker
On his one way trip...


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5652740 - 05/20/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree 100%. There seems to be a barrier to humans in general accepting and then using the idea of personal death. I know this from personal experience.

If I was truly using death as an advisor at all times I would never be saying to myself, "I wish I had done this or that" or "why didn't that ever happen" or I hope that I can do this or that. I would act. I would strategically plot a course and without rushing or hesitation do my best.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5652864 - 05/20/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Engaging in valueless acts...




Such as posting about engaging in valueless acts...  :wink:


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Re: Immortality [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5652868 - 05/20/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You could have a point there...


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5652938 - 05/20/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

do you know how to remember your past lives? It can be tricky. Hell, its tricky to remember all the moments of your current life!


OK, let me teach you a technique. First, begin meditation. Clear your mind and relax your body. Then, start remembering. Start at the present and work your way backwards. Eventually, you will get to your birth. Now, the tricky part is making a leap of faith over that void between the birth of your current incarnation and the death of your last one. I can't help you with that, you'll have to figure it out yourselves.

Now, what I can tell you is that all humans, past and present, are connected. Some humans are closer to certain other humans. Their bonds are stronger.

Looking back through history, are there any historical figures that strike a chord in you? Are you inspired by some figures and disgusted by others? Well, that might tell you a little bit about who YOU are, right?

Yes, a lot of people claim to have been Jesus, or Hitler, or anyone else who is famous. These people might be wrong or right, or something in between. Maybe they just know Jesus really well because they were his shoe or something.

The point is, we are all connected, and we all fit in somewhere.

here's a tool song for you to chew on:

"I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing,
Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so
We cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication.

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame it doesnt mean I dont desire to
Point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away.
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
Ive done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion

Between supposed lovers
Between supposed lovers.

And I know the pieces fit."


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5652949 - 05/20/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One's reality is built on how one uses their awareness. Your experience might be valid to you, but this is not empirical evidence...merely "dreaming". For me, it is better to remain among the mortals.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5652970 - 05/20/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Life is not a dress rehearsal."

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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
    #5652977 - 05/20/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I am in full compliance with that.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5652990 - 05/20/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Compliance or agreement?  :wink:


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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
    #5653012 - 05/20/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It is a law as far as I am concerned....both comliance and agreement.


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5653018 - 05/20/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
do you know how to remember your past lives? It can be tricky. Hell, its tricky to remember all the moments of your current life!
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OK, let me teach you a technique. First, begin meditation. Clear your mind and relax your body. Then, start remembering. Start at the present and work your way backwards. Eventually, you will get to your birth. Now, the tricky part is making a leap of faith over that void between the birth of your current incarnation and the death of your last one. I can't help you with that, you'll have to figure it out yourselves.





Who were you in your last life, specifically....?
I have got to think that if you can recall memories/events of a physical life that wasn't yours, your identity would also be known....


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Re: Immortality [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5653024 - 05/20/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well, I could tell you where Sally Hemmings was buried, but I wouldn't want to disturb her bones. Besides, I would rather most people believe than know for sure. knowledge is scary, and brings scary powers that some can't handle.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
    #5653035 - 05/20/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Accepting that notion as a law is the only way to be free from the conspiracy of the immortals.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653045 - 05/20/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Conspiracy?  Are you off your meds again??  :wink:


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Re: Immortality [Re: Veritas]
    #5653055 - 05/20/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nearly every man sees himself as immortal...and they act as such indulging in every sort of petty act imaginable because they have infinite time. These "immortals" try to spread this (false) immortality through cultural programming and religion. That is the conspiracy. It robs you of what life you have.


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5653057 - 05/20/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How can you know for SURE that what you are calling memories of a past life aren't really just imaginative creations from within your own abstractively creative mind...?

Believing everything that pops into your head does not always make it so....

Sometimes when I wake up from a dream and can remember it clearly, I can recall it later and sometimes wonder if it was real - or a dream....
You can start believing it is real till the point that you forgot that is was a dream, but again, that doesn't make it "reality"....


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653063 - 05/20/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OK, that makes more sense.  If there are true immortals, I doubt that they would be interested in human-oriented conspiracies.

False immortals, also known as the mass of humanity living lives of quiet despair, do seem to engage in the conspiracy to pretend we will never die.

It seems to me that they cling desperately to the miserable lives they are living because of the idea that someday they will be allowed to live the lives they want.  Until that "someday" arrives, they MUST stay alive.

I confronted my own death when I was 21, after I was given a 50/50 chance of surviving childbirth.  After that, I knew for certain that I will die.  I work on applying this knowledge to my living. :grin:


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5653069 - 05/20/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"I could tell you where Sally Hemmings was buried"

How come people like to believe that they were the reincarnation of someone famous... For many I would guess it is a substitute for not being noted in this life.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5653099 - 05/20/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Nearly every man sees himself as immortal...and they act as such indulging in every sort of petty act imaginable because they have infinite time. These "immortals" try to spread this (false) immortality through cultural programming and religion. That is the conspiracy. It robs you of what life you have.




well actually, when a man uses his knowledge of his own immortality irresponsibly (such as Hitler did), there is a dire punishment called 'bad karma', which negatively effects not just your current life, but many lives to come as well.

The key to positive immortality is using your knowledge of immortality for good and not evil. So don't get mad at a concept just because you personally don't feel capable of handling it properly.

Also, belief in reincarnation causes people to behave more responsibly, IMO. Look at China. Do they consume and pollute like americans do? Do they treat their lives as races to see who can consume the most resources before they die? NO!! They live humbly, for they know they will be coming back to this place later! They have a vested spiritual interest in keeping the planet clean!

People who believe they only get one life often use that as a justification to be extremely destructive.

Now, I'm all for having fun, believe me. But we must respect eachother and our environment! ITS IN OUR OWN BEST INTEREST TO DO SO!!!


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5654344 - 05/20/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Look at China. Do they consume and pollute like americans do?"

China produces more pollutants than any other nation.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654443 - 05/20/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

source?

what about the ratio of pollutants to population?

China has 5x more people than America. They consume less than 1/3 of the oil we do.

American consumption is fine as long as the chinese are riding bicycles and eating rice. What happens when capitalist markets cause 1.5 billion people to start wanting ford explorers and mcdonalds? You think the world will handle that kind of drain on resources?

I have already started a revolution of capitalism in China. Now comes the socialist revolution in America. Get ready to kiss your conspicuous standard of living goodbye.


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5654465 - 05/20/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They also have no environmental protection laws of any sort...and yes they have too many people. Too many people is a type of pollution as well.


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5654470 - 05/20/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DoctorJ said:
I have already started a revolution of capitalism in China.  Now comes the socialist revolution in America.  Get ready to kiss your conspicuous standard of living goodbye. 




:shitstorm:

Why don't you just erase China....?    :rolleyes:


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654487 - 05/20/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
They also have no environmental protection laws of any sort...and yes they have too many people. Too many people is a type of pollution as well.




are you unfamiliar with the harsh breeding laws they have there? China has been trying to keep its population down for a long time.

they happen to be one of the oldest, most humble nations on earth. America could learn a lot from them.

They can't even begin to enjoy our standard of living until we stop taking resources and throwing them down the toilet.

The bottom line is that they are older and bigger, and yet still consume less than us. America is about to get its comeupance. Big time. Trust me on this one, bro. Either we get a brain and start consuming wisely, or the yellow invasion will take us out. They have nukes you know.


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5654610 - 05/20/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah they have breeding laws now...which is still fucked up because it is taking people's freedoms. That situation is a mess. Their government is a repressive nightmare of a regime that will not blink at exterminating their own citizens. They have no environmental laws, and their waterways are fast becoming polluted in a horrible way. I will not trust you "bro" because you don't know enough about this to trust. China is not humble, but agressive and dangerous to their own population. A few years back I read about an explosion in a fireworks factory...the factory was also a grade school...the workers were all children under 12...yeah communism is really efficient...at using up humanity like it was fuel. Don't even get me started about the lack of safety standards in their places of work...


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5654631 - 05/20/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"source?"
So, you don't need one?


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654687 - 05/20/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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They truly begin to understand the value that life...not just human life...but any life...has.




what value does life have?


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Re: Immortality [Re: Deviate]
    #5654721 - 05/20/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It cannot be estimated in money. It is sacred.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5654740 - 05/20/06 10:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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It cannot be estimated in money. It is sacred.




oh i know of the sacred, i'm just playing devil's advocate because i think it could be said that no experience a human can have could possibly prove that life has value. astral projection, ghosts, esp, and other paranormal phenomenon as well as normal phenomenon can only point to the possible existance of value, they are not a comment on the value of life.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Deviate]
    #5654879 - 05/20/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a good way to give yourself a healthy dose of 'Can I really die?' Kill yourself, if you live, you have evidence.  :smile:


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Re: Immortality [Re: justamonkey]
    #5654890 - 05/20/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

China has nukes. Sure. But does China stockpile an insane number of them in nearly hamlet size submarines that can rlease 12+ warheads at a time to multiple locations in a thousand mile spread?

I think they have bigger fish to fry than a nuclear pissing contest. China's leaders are struggling to keep thier shit together, much less go capitalist.


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[quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5654916 - 05/20/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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source




"China is home to 16 of the world’s 20 most polluted cities; water pollution affects as much as 70 percent of the country; air pollution is blamed for the premature death of some 400,000 Chinese annually; crop returns are steadily decreasing in quantity and quality because of polluted land and water; and solid waste production is expected to more than double over the next decade, pushing China far ahead of the U.S. as the largest producer." -- The Economist, August 19, 2004


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5655210 - 05/21/06 01:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah they have breeding laws now...which is still fucked up because it is taking people's freedoms. That situation is a mess. Their government is a repressive nightmare of a regime that will not blink at exterminating their own citizens. They have no environmental laws, and their waterways are fast becoming polluted in a horrible way. I will not trust you "bro" because you don't know enough about this to trust. China is not humble, but agressive and dangerous to their own population. A few years back I read about an explosion in a fireworks factory...the factory was also a grade school...the workers were all children under 12...yeah communism is really efficient...at using up humanity like it was fuel. Don't even get me started about the lack of safety standards in their places of work...




the chinese government and the chinese people are 2 very different entities.

The chinese government will fall. The chinese people will rise.

The american government will rise. The american people will fall.

this is Justice.

get ready.


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5655312 - 05/21/06 02:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Justice or judgement  :smirk:


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Re: Immortality [Re: Springs]
    #5655708 - 05/21/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

you are so enlightened :rolleyes:


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Re: Immortality [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5655992 - 05/21/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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you are so enlightened :rolleyes:




It is better than being delusional. :lol:

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Re: Immortality [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5655994 - 05/21/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Immortality [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5656286 - 05/21/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Immortality [Re: Sporetacus]
    #5657643 - 05/21/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Engaging in valueless acts...




Such as posting about engaging in valueless acts...  :wink:




The OP is transfering a large chunk of positive energy here. Not valueless in my eyes at all.

Good post, :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Immortality [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5657685 - 05/21/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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"China is home to 16 of the world’s 20 most polluted cities; water pollution affects as much as 70 percent of the country; air pollution is blamed for the premature death of some 400,000 Chinese annually; crop returns are steadily decreasing in quantity and quality because of polluted land and water; and solid waste production is expected to more than double over the next decade, pushing China far ahead of the U.S. as the largest producer." -- The Economist, August 19, 2004




Answer to that J.

Lets hear some more of that delusional banter.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5657873 - 05/21/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Realizing Castaneda's "Conspiracy of the Immortals" is a huge stride in the way of your behaviour. Realizing that the worst thing that can happen to you is death, you have nothing to lose (because you've already lost everything).

Gaining confidence through wallowing in your own ego is the biggest inferiority complex one can have. The reason for that being is that you're fluffing your self-importance making you nothing but an insecure snob. And the only thing anyone wants to see happen to a snob is fuck up so they can laugh at them.

:lol::lol:

If you realize that the worst thing that can happen to you is your death, you have nothing to lose. Your confidence goes through the roof because you are completely indifferent to what criticism or negative remarks you may receive. Tranquility will bring you freedom once you escape the shackles of your ego.


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Re: Immortality [Re: Fospher]
    #5657935 - 05/21/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"Realizing Castaneda's "Conspiracy of the Immortals"
I wondered if anyone caught the reference. It is a very valid paradigm.


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