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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: blessed]
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Hey man, all is going well. Hope all is going well with you too. :thumbup:

"As i stated im my last post, i can't say for sure what happens to those that lived before the time of Jesus. I don't know the answer to that question right now."

Fair enough.

"So why not stop hating him?, and start accepting he is your God, and your creator."

I feel like this is a common misconception between theists and atheists. Atheists don't hate god, they aren't at war with god, and they aren't rejecting god either. They just fail to see any evidence for that god. Does someone who disbelieves in the loch ness monster because lack of evidence hate or reject the loch ness monster? no.

Here's an animation that does a better job at explaining this point:

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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: White Beard]
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No. The Bible speaks to "Eternal Life," NOT 'immortality.' Eternal Life is the life of the Godhead. Immortality refers to the continued existence of a separate individual. The Tenach (The Old Testament to Christians) does not speak to either. The ancient Hebrew religion speaks to the continuation of a people and its ritual traditions, it never developed a theology of mystic participation in God (in this life or a next), or in a notion of immortality, other than to make vague references to a 'Sheol,' which was not unlike some shadowy underworld realm on a par with the Greek mythic Underworld ruled by Hades (Pluto to Romans), and sometimes referred to as Hades as a place.

The metaphysical assertion in 1 John 4:8 that "God is love," (read, Agápe, which is akin to Compassion - disinterested warmth, or psychologically speaking, Rogers' "Unconditional Positive Regard") is behind the commandment to love one's neighbor as oneself, and to forgive others 70 X 7 times. It is only to the extent that one loves, that one becomes identified with love as a state of being. Just as in the Buddhist meaning of Compassion as the Upaya or Skillful Means to Wisdom, love in the NT recognizes that as the nature of God, only love is eternal. Similarly, Sunyata, the metaphysical Reality in Buddhism, is the union of Compassion and Wisdom - like the symbolic depiction of the Sacred Heart and Halo depicted in Catholic iconography. Our individual differences perish in the highest mystical unions, as in death, but we come to discover our transcendental identity as the eternal 'I AM" that Jesus declares in the Gospel of John. As the archetype of every human being, this identity that is mistakenly attributed to Jesus alone (among literalists), is at bottom our true identity which we will come into as the Kingdom of God. This is only some Elysian Field to concrete-minded literalists, but the Realization of Absolute Non-Duality or Oneness to the prepared individual (as far as I can make out).

Obviously, theology has occulted this mystical view in many different ways in order to preserve that absolute transcendence of deity. The 'soul' of human beings is said to be like iron, thrust into a fire (God), glowing as the fire, but of remaining separate in nature from the fire itself. The view of identity is heresy in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, yet this is what all of the greatest mystics of these faiths experienced and shared, usually with tragic results from the uncomprehending multitudes. The Unio Mystica is always with Christ, never with God in Christianity, or with God's 'Uncreated Energies,' as in Eastern Orthodox Christianity, so as to maintain that the essence of God is ontologically distinct from the essence of humankind. Any suggestion otherwise in Islam is called shirk, association with God, and it is blasphemy (which is why the great Islamic mystic al Hallaj was tortured to death). He pretty much paraphrased Christ's "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." with "I am truth." His hands and feet were amputated, and he was then crucified as Jesus was. The Jews would typically stone blasphemers to death. I think Aleister Crowley said it best by not saying a word - only placing a raised index finger to closed lips, to express the inexpressible Truth.


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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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So good to see you still around MarkostheGnostic. Your posts have always been among the most high quality and well crafted writings on the shroomery, and you never post without substance. I am glad to see that time has no diminished the excellence of your contributions here.

:japsmile:


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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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:awethumb:


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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said:
So good to see you still around MarkostheGnostic. Your posts have always been among the most high quality and well crafted writings on the shroomery, and you never post without substance. I am glad to see that time has no diminished the excellence of your contributions here.

:japsmile:



:japsmile: and :cheers:


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: Cactilove]
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Cactilove said:
:awethumb:


:cheers:


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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Love is servitude. Just a more sinister form of bondage.

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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: Jaegar]
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I agree that Love is Bondage and Servitude.

But service is freedom, and bondage to love is liberation.

My love for my wife is the greatest slavery I have ever known- it overrules many other considerations. And by doing so it has freed me from my addictions and many of my sins.

Love of the Divine is a greater Love- Servitude to that love brings Moksha- Freedom.


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Everything I post is fiction.

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Re: Does the bible actually promise immortality? [Re: Jaegar]
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Jaegar said:
Love is servitude. Just a more sinister form of bondage.


Nonsense. That is twisted. Service is not servitude. Love requires detachment from one's egoic-mind. You understand neither love or service.


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