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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: Doc_T]
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You haven't figured me out yet, that was a joke. :lol:

Though Doc is right. A few MS comparisons would give you a general idea if it would work. If you think you see some type of difference, then it may be worth the time and investment of doing experiments with isolates.

Whose to say the isolate you selected doesn't have a mutation that prevents it from properly utilizing one of the ingredients in FB? Never know.


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: Doc_T]
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yeah maybe do one just the way you would because thats how you really do it,you know add in your gypsum,coffee,worm castings whatever you usually do, and then use just the fast blast see if there is a difference..  I think in alot of the tests done thus far it was fastblast against substrate and water....

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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
prismism said:
dancefloordale said:
I was thinking about growing one monotub with fastblast and one without. Grow them side by side and compare. Sound good?


i think ive already said this twice in this thread..
you cant just grow side by sides without using an isolate and expect it to be a valid experiment.


It can show a pattern. Take the influence of light- it's obvious even in multispore grows. Possibly true of FB as well, though I doubt it.


im not arguing against what youre saying but i think you would need an ass load of these non isolate side by side monos to see a pattern develop. not just one of course..but im sure you probably already meant that without saying..


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: prismism]
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Yeah, I don't think it likely- but it's possible that 4 or 5 tubs would show that FB really does make your tub shoot its wad on the first flush, or whatever they claim.
I'd be convinced if I saw a pattern like that. Took me only three of my mini mono tubs to start talking them up.


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: Doc_T]
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Right. Just because something is MS doesn't mean it will not be affected by a variable.

If you do a MS tub without FAE and compare it to one with FAE, there will be a noticeable difference.

You isolate and use controlled experiments to see precisely how much the variable comes into play.


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: dancefloordale]
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I think folks here tend to overestimate the genetic variance between spores and underestimate the ability of the mycelium to absorb / transfer nuclei with slight genetic differences.


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
dancefloordale said:
Fast blast is for those who can't get their shit right in the first place, that's why it's not necessary for growers who know what they are doing.


I'm willing to try new things. I tried FB. :shrug: I sent some to another member, we may get a report on that.

I thought the ingredients were upthread somewhere. If not, I know feelfunny has it.


yes and yes

Doc_T said:
nexus1946 said:
it seems more likely that the folks here testing this product are the case study.


One quick comment on that.
In general, when people say they are trying something then never post back, the idea failed. Successes get published.


i have been useing it and the 3 tubs i did were mini tubs all failed. i have 2 mono tubs going now seem ok. dont know why the smaller ones have had problems.
anonjon said:
sounds good if you can get it for free, otherwise just go buy the components yourself and try them out


agree i got free and so far wouldnt pay that price.
prismism said:
dancefloordale said:
I was thinking about growing one monotub with fastblast and one without. Grow them side by side and compare. Sound good?


i think ive already said this twice in this thread..
you cant just grow side by sides without using an isolate and expect it to be a valid experiment.


agreed and thats why the thread was started with i am doing a test with ISOLESTS.
Doc_T said:
Yeah, I don't think it likely- but it's possible that 4 or 5 tubs would show that FB really does make your tub shoot its wad on the first flush, or whatever they claim.
I'd be convinced if I saw a pattern like that. Took me only three of my mini mono tubs to start talking them up.


so far thats what has been going on with mine. i havent got more han 2-3 flushes with what i have done with the stuff


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: noobieshroomie]
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noobieshroomie said:
Quote:
i see mycotopia as being the red headed step child of mycology forums. but thats just me.


they seem to be behind the times over there
i have read a few things, like this dude put rye and water
in a plastic container,steamed for 60 min let cool
then knocked up,he said it worked fine:lol:

i find it to be bullshit
as well as some other things i have read
i dont like that site at all

  -noobie-


Maybe you're talking about me?
I put dry rye in PP5 plastic containers, added 2/3rds that amount water, screwed a lid with micropore covered holes over a layer of tyvek. Steamed 60 minutes. 24-36 hours later steamed 30 minutes.
Every single inoculated container has colonized 100%, cubensis, oak ridge strain from the shroomy1.

You find it to be bullshit? Who cares. With that kind of piercing intellect I'm sure you'll go far clown.

The first time I did rye I filled jars with dry rye, added water, let them soak for 24 hours, then boiled them, then strained them, then PCed them. What I got was variable moisture content and grain that was too wet.
Then I wondered if all that soaking, boiling, and straining was a big fucking waste of time so I took dry rye, added 2/3rds the amount of rye in water and PCed. What I got was perfect uniform moisture content in every jar and a whole lot of wasted time saved. The only things you need to do is make you sure you PC ASAP, if you leave the rye it will germinate, and once PCed, as soon as its cool you shake the jar because some grains will be more moist and some will be more dry, you shake it up and it all gets evenly distributed.
Then I moved into a new place and left my PC at my other place and decided to experiment with steam sterilization of rye. I read of multiple people saying they simply steamed their rye for 2 hours. Then I read how it was "impossible" to steam sterilize rye grains, unless you followed "fractional sterilization" (Steaming for 60 minutes at 24 hour intervals for 3 days) because these mysterious "endospores" were going to ruin your grow. So with the knowledge that other people had succesfully steamed rye and my instincts telling me that this fractional sterilization concept made no sense I decided to experiment. What mysterious contaminations survive being steamed for 60 minutes twice but the third time you steam them they all die? Sounds like a load of bullshit to me, I believe water evaporates at the same temperature every day of the week.
So I steamed the rye for 60 minutes, at which point the grain was hydrated and I believe I could have inoculated then but did not so I cannot say, about a day maybe more later I steamed again for 30. Every single container has achieved 100% healthy colonization, more than twice the amount of containers were sterilized but not injected, none of them have shown any growths or contaminations of any kind weeks later.
100% success rye doing the "impossible"
Maybe next time someone tells you the world is flat you should try to figure out if it's true instead of believing everything youre told


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Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: P2K1]
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Fastblast???? i thought roadkill made it clear stick to the point


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: feelfunny]
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Sorry didn't see, I was about halfway through reading the thread and saw a post I believed was directed at me.

Im still reading the thread, where I was there was a lot of skepticism, do we have any results yet?

I'm building spawn for a bulk run and would be interested in trying this stuff out


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Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: P2K1]
    #11549284 -

yes there is plenty of results so far and much more at the sit the guy selling it is a vendor for. as for this site it has had mixed results probably due to the people using it. as for me it has increased colonization speed but as for the yield at the end so far hasn't been to different but noticeable. what i haven't done and don't know if anyone has is make not just a control but also 1 with gypsum and other things we already use which might even things out at the end


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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: P2K1]
    #11549296 -

that was not directed at you
i saw someone on another site that said that
as my post clearly stated
so please assume it was about you


    -noobie-


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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: feelfunny]
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People are having mixed results?
The guy selling it is saying buy this, add it to your bulk sub and you WILL ENJOY:
-Faster colonization times
-Greater yield
As in noticeable, dramatic results
You're attributing the lack of these claims coming true to the growers? They can grow shrooms but they can't add some powder to their substrate before pasteurizing it properly? All of them?

Those explanations make no sense
If this product does what it claims to be then 99% of the time the following should happen:
Tray A is multispore, no fast blast, tray B is multispore, with fast blast. Tray B colonizes noticably faster and yields noticably more than Tray A.
Tray C is an isolate, no fast blast, tray D is the same isolate with fast blast. Tray  D colonizes noticeably faster and yields noticably  more than tray C.

If this product worked you should be able to prepare 2 trays with same substrate and spawn, 1 with fast blast 1 without, and nothing to identify which tray is which, a blind test. If the fast blast does what the person selling it claims you won't need a label, you'll know which one is which based on the colonization speed and yield. Every time.

Somehow I don't get the feeling that's the case, and when it doesn't happen, its cause the person who bought the fastblast didnt properly pasteurize it, or used too little, or too much. Theyre saying you can only have 7%? Do they mean only 7% fastblast, or 7% of any additive because then you'll have too much of a given additive due to the percent in the fastblast, but he cant tell you whats in the fast blast so you just cant have over 7% of anything

The whole deal is very shady. Its a miracle powder that makes your shrooms grow faster and bigger but no one can know what it is, its claimed that this mystery powder will always have these benefits, and when it doesnt its not the powders fault

If whoevers selling this wants to send me a sample to work with Id love to do a side by side comparison for them to shut me up


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:brucelee:
Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11549366 -

You said someone on mycotopia said they put rye and water in a plastic container and steamed for 60 minutes and you thought it was bullshit even though you clearly had never even attempted it
I posted on mycotopia about how I put rye and water in plastic containers and steamed for a combined 90 minutes
Try opening your mind


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Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
<img src="https://files.shroomery.org/smileys/curbyourenthusiam.gif" alt=":curbyourenthusiam:" title=":curbyourenthusiam:"/>

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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: P2K1]
    #11549391 -

i have tried it!!! and it failed
both with WBS and RYE
and i clearly stated60 minutes
not 60+30
so try reading before opening your mouth

    -noobie-


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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11549432 -

:popcorn: not again and from a AMU member wasn't a PM sent out about this? if i have to hold my tongue don't you too? cuz i surly dont want to but was treatend to be kicked out for not just leting it go


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If the sky is falling, don't look up!  :abduction:

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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: feelfunny]
    #11549459 -

youre right
P2K1 if you want to continue this discussion PM me

    -noobie-


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Best Thread Ever
CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
Thank you mycochef

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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11549460 -

I clearly stated you said 60 and I said a combined 90, what's your argument

I'm sorry you failed where I have continued to enjoy 100% success
I'd advise you to re-evaluate your sterile procedure and follow my steps if you want to steam rye


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:brucelee:
Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
<img src="https://files.shroomery.org/smileys/curbyourenthusiam.gif" alt=":curbyourenthusiam:" title=":curbyourenthusiam:"/>

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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: P2K1]
    #11549465 -

P2K1 said:
People are having mixed results?
The guy selling it is saying buy this, add it to your bulk sub and you WILL ENJOY:
-Faster colonization times
-Greater yield
As in noticeable, dramatic results
You're attributing the lack of these claims coming true to the growers? They can grow shrooms but they can't add some powder to their substrate before pasteurizing it properly? All of them?

Those explanations make no sense
If this product does what it claims to be then 99% of the time the following should happen:
Tray A is multispore, no fast blast, tray B is multispore, with fast blast. Tray B colonizes noticably faster and yields noticably more than Tray A.
Tray C is an isolate, no fast blast, tray D is the same isolate with fast blast. Tray  D colonizes noticeably faster and yields noticably  more than tray C.

If this product worked you should be able to prepare 2 trays with same substrate and spawn, 1 with fast blast 1 without, and nothing to identify which tray is which, a blind test. If the fast blast does what the person selling it claims you won't need a label, you'll know which one is which based on the colonization speed and yield. Every time.

Somehow I don't get the feeling that's the case, and when it doesn't happen, its cause the person who bought the fastblast didnt properly pasteurize it, or used too little, or too much. Theyre saying you can only have 7%? Do they mean only 7% fastblast, or 7% of any additive because then you'll have too much of a given additive due to the percent in the fastblast, but he cant tell you whats in the fast blast so you just cant have over 7% of anything

The whole deal is very shady. Its a miracle powder that makes your shrooms grow faster and bigger but no one can know what it is, its claimed that this mystery powder will always have these benefits, and when it doesnt its not the powders fault

If whoevers selling this wants to send me a sample to work with Id love to do a side by side comparison for them to shut me up



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Stay free
:brucelee:
Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
<img src="https://files.shroomery.org/smileys/curbyourenthusiam.gif" alt=":curbyourenthusiam:" title=":curbyourenthusiam:"/>

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Re: Fast Blast trials. [Re: feelfunny]
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Off topic. Please discuss fast blast, cuz that's what I came to this thread to read about.


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