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Freedom of others
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If you want freedom for yourself in action and thought, wouldn't you have the urge to wish freedom upon others so you would get even freedom for yourself?

Isn't freedom for others the source of your personal freedom?
Isn't personal freedom useless if one has discovered """"""""""true""""""""""" freedom?


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Ik hou van je

While you're still sleeping the saints are still weepin' cause things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born. -Scatman John

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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Xeny]
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You can't free others if you are not first free yourself

The only freedom is freedom from the mind

:peace:


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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Chronic7]
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LOL

The naivety of the 20th century: to think that everyone can all be free w00t

If I am free to run around in this field and do whatever I want, then other people cannot grow crops on it.

Freedom is not one-dimensional. you are not 'free' as opposed to 'not free'. rather, everything has 'freedoms' within a context.

In order for everyone to be free in a certain way, an environment must be established to provide those freedoms. However, the pragmatics of life on earth mean that an environment can only be established to provide some freedoms and not others. Eg you must lose the freedom to shoot guns wherever you want, if you want to gain the freedom to walk around without being shot.

So, societal freedom is not a matter of giving everyone freedom, it is a matter of establishing what freedoms can be given to people that do not contradict eachother.

Someone else's freedom is your own lack of freedom, because it represents one more factor that can impinge on your own desires (when your desires are not the same as someone else's).

Essentially though, whenever trying to fight for YOUR freedom, you must simultaneously be fighting for a freedom that everyone can potentially have, without causing conflict. So in this sense, other people's freedom precedes your own.


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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Noteworthy]
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Anarchism still works, you just don't control what will be done to you.


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Ik hou van je

While you're still sleeping the saints are still weepin' cause things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born. -Scatman John

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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Xeny]
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since no one controls what will be done to you, how does anarchism work? for anything?

unless you mean some sort of unofficial government of vigilantes who keep peace or something?


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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Xeny]
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I can resonate with that. How can one be truly free, when this freedom depends upon keeping others under your control? You would still not be free from having to maintain your control.
On the other hand, if we can allow ourself not to control others then they can be free from that control which in turn sets us free from having to control.
Also this implies that personal freedom is a freedom from having to control and being controlled, and a freedom to be able to express oneself as one is, expressing personal growth.

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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Ahimsa]
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to me freedom is a state of mind

freedom is knowing who you really are and attempting to align yourself with that person

freedom is being able to restrain your own desires which could be harmful to others

freedom is being able to stand up to anything for what you really believe in

freedom is a transcendental feeling of knowing you are the on the path your supposed to be on regardless of whats happening within the world

freedom to kill is not freedom for the person being killed and its not freedom for the person killing either because vicious acts such as these enslave the person with guilt and or an addiction to the desire which is detrimental to society

not only that but someone who kills will be all the more aware of the fact that someone could kill them and an subconscious feeling of being in depth to divine justice

do you consider an animal free? I think they are slaves to their instincts not that its a bad thing for them but a person giving into desires they know are wrong is enslaving themselves to those desires

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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Life Upon Death]
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freedom to me is harmonious unity of love with our fellow man completely devoid of fear

I don't think we can truly taste freedom in its purest form while we are bound to these body's that often desire things which are contrary to whats actually best for us and others

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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
You can't free others if you are not first free yourself

The only freedom is freedom from the mind

:peace:



Right and in an average of 70 some years you will achieve your goal.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Freedom of others [Re: Icelander]
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Word up, Icelander

I'm saying if there's nobody to stop 'evildoers', -like governments do today,- nobody will stop others from harming you but yourself and maybe members of your selfestablished community, where you once again apply rules that continue to generalize freedom and try to forget your own personal urges which are not accepted within that community.

Don't forget you'd never do what you want, where ever you are and whoever you are.


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While you're still sleeping the saints are still weepin' cause things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born. -Scatman John

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