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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: jpod]
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my first breakthrough experience was similar in some respects,
as i became aware that reality was false, i felt i was ondisplay in an artificial habitat.
the zippers, i know what you mean, and also the difficulty you had in describing them, for me they looked like zippers at first, but on closer inspection, i realized they were infinately complex fractals that connected everything...and then i started to merege with my surroundings and that damn ego tried to scream against it, but then She took me away and told me things i cannot try to repeat.
i sensed Her presence foward and to my right, she was telling me that everything was okay, that i was fine, but i was looking at something to my left, so i didn't see Her.
then i got really confused and started fading in and out of Salvia space and true reality(?). after i realized the true nature of my excursion i spent the rest of the night, and indeed, the rest of my life, trying to fully understand that experience...


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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trippinlizard]
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...sounds like a womb. :P


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"Remain a learner, never become a knower." - Osho

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trippinlizard]
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then i got really confused and started fading in and out of Salvia space and true reality(?). after i realized the true nature of my excursion i spent the rest of the night, and indeed, the rest of my life, trying to fully understand that experience...

Yes, as I came-to in my back yard I found that I had to "hold on" to reality tightly to keep from falling back into the salvia consciousness. If I wavered, things in the corner of my vision would flatten out again into cardboard.

I remember deciding to go to bed immediately after my experience. I didn't want to talk to anyone about it at first, which is unusual for me after such an intense experience. I lay for hours struggling with what I had just been shown.

The question remains, at the edge of consciousness: is this real?


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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i felt i was ondisplay in an artificial habitat

Hmm, this struck a chord for me.

On other breakthroughs, I have been overwhelmed with the feeling of being watched and the fear of being "caught".

The best I can come up with for the feeling, is that it felt like I was about to be caught existing...and whoever it was who would catch me wasn't going to be happy about it :smirk:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
The question remains, at the edge of consciousness: is this real? 



yeah, salvia is soooo intense, i could still be tripping right now and i wouldn't have a clue, and in addition to that, i now don't believe in reality either, so in my mind, it just doesn't matter...:grin: :nut:

we're all just dreaming 


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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trippinlizard]
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Heh, nice to know I'm not the only one who has been effected by Salvia in this way  :oogle:


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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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Hey guys! I'm gonna be putting 2mg Salvinorin A crystals on blotters! It'll be my first trip on the substance. I am totally excited.


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"Remain a learner, never become a knower." - Osho

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: ergot]
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My advice: be careful how far you try and go with this stuff...it WILL take you much further than you expect :wink:


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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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On other breakthroughs, I have been overwhelmed with the feeling of being watched and the fear of being "caught".

Ah, that was my feeling as well. The female entity feels very much like your mother who just walked in the door while you were doing something you shouldn't have.


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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: Jellric]
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now I've really gotta get some of this. excellent report!!!

so is there any difference in the effect if you use the quid compared to smoking it?


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: kaiowas]
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There is a great deal of difference. Personally, I have never used the quid method, but I can tell you from doing *a lot* of research that the quid method is more mellow and slower in onset. It would be much harder to have a "breakthrough" experience that way. Maybe those who have tried the quid method can elaborate.

If you are a rookie, I'd suggest smoking dried leaf on your first time.


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I am what Willis was talkin' bout.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: Jellric]
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If you are a rookie, I'd suggest smoking dried leaf on your first time.

And eventually move up to a good 10x extract. I've tried 5x, 10x, and some 15x I made myself. 5x is a good starter, but 10x is just THAT much easier to smoke (much less smoke!). 15x is overkill for me. I broke through on every toke off that stuff...


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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great trip report!
sounds a lot like my experiences with Salvia.
I especially like the "zipper" part. I have felt this before, I felt like I was being zippered open right down the middle and my two halves falling into different realities. it was quite painful. Salvia can be *very* physical. use with caution.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: infidelGOD]
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infidelGOD said:
sounds a lot like my experiences with Salvia.
I especially like the "zipper" part. I have felt this before, I felt like I was being zippered open right down the middle and my two halves falling into different realities.




i just need to point out that everyone that completely breaks through the veil experiences the same basic experiences, with personal themes and visions, and that She is ALWAYS there....unlike many drugs, She seems to actually have a consiousness, a thinking existance that trancends reality itself...

...my first thought after i brokethrough the first time was: anyone who wants to schedule Salvia should experience Her first.

how could they possibly want to try and control something so sublimely superior?


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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trippinlizard]
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unlike many drugs, She seems to actually have a consiousness, a thinking existance that trancends reality itself...

Yes, I have never felt such a well-defined separate consciousness on any other drug.

I doubt Salvia will be made illegal, provided that people don't start dropping dead from it (which I highly doubt will happen).


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But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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Some seem to mean "breakthrough" as merely entering salvia space, but was there an actual "breakthrough" in knowledge or consciousness that you could use in consensus reality? If not, it is just another useless mind tweak and a way to have your own multi-dimensional scary movie.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: Swami]
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No, that's not how I'm using the word "breakthrough" here at all, Swami :smirk:

There seems to be a line or point where instead of having Salvia effect the world around you, it completely replaces the world around you. This is the "breakthrough" point. The point where, for all intensive purposes, you experience a completely new "reality".

I'm sorry, it's a hard concept to describe. Anyone who has had a breakthrough salvia experience knows what I'm talking about, I'm sure :smile:


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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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Sorry for the length but give it a read.

My first experience with salvia i could easily call my strangest. I was living in a nice suburban house in miami. Directly next to my house was what used to be a large toolsheld but i converted it into a nice small cabin.

Anyway i had just aquired 1 gram of some 10x. I had a water bottle, the bong, lighters etc etc and i sat in a bean bag. I turned off the lights and could only see by the faint glow of the moon. I proceded to smoke and while holding in the first hit a sudden feeling fell over me like a breeze of wind. It was unlike anything i had felt from any substance other than dmt. The quick acting is one thing i value. I wanted to have quite an experience so very shakely i loaded another bowl. With the torch lighter and finely ground salvia it may have been as much as 1/3 of a gram total.

As i held in the second toke i was hit by a train and suddenly the drug began to take ahold. My movement became traced and glow followed every motion as my view became clouded. A chill ran up my spine and i slowly melted into my bean bag. In an instant my room seemed to turn blue and i morphed into a cloud. Peace serenity and silence. Amazing. At some point as time became to have no meaning as these short 25 minutes felt like many hours, the scene changed drastically. All i can remember is rain coats, conveyor belts and aliens. I feeling of xenophobia came over me and i grew very scared. My life or more importantly kindergarden flashed before. I was being escorted around by something.

After an eternity i remember images flashing before my eyes. I wasent in my cabin and i certainly wasent myself. I felt like a blank slate with no past, no present, and no future. Worlds or universes began to pass on some sort of conveyor belt to my side and i think i was trying to pick my life. Nothing seemed right and this force was trying to push me into something that just didnt feel right. The situation grew into an epic battle as i fought my bean bag for freedom. I thought if i could get up out of it( i think salvia world and reality were clashing as it seems to intertwine here) i would get back to myself. I was very scared but i just could not get up out of it. At somepoint in my haste i must have knocked over my water as my carpeting was all wet.

So after forever as salvia world struggled to keep ahold of me i finally broke out of my bean bag and stood in absolute peace once again. (still i had no idea i was on any substance and it just didnt present itself to my mind) I stumbled around and my vision seemed odd as if to much was "there" so i tried to open the door and as i look out i kid you not this is what i see ( this pic can just best describe it)



I strangely shruged it off as the usuall and went back in to sit down. My trip dwindled from here and still the strongest paranoia grew over me for no reason. Me being a complete moron forgot to turn the a.c. in my cabin on so i was soaked in sweat. I became worried i would die and still could not comprehend i was on a drug. I decided to go outside to get air and was greeted by normal outside. I sat down and heard odd noises for a while. At one point i thought i saw a UFO but i later realized it was just a flock of birds migrating in perfect unison but it freaked me out.

So i cooled down, realized i was gonna be fine, and soon i was baseline. It was without any doubt one of the greatest experences. The line between breakthrough and amnesia is thin so i cant remember everything just as it happened or in the greatest detail. My words cant even remotely describe how i felt half the time.

Also on a side note in my salvia daze i asume when i first got up i threw my t-shirt, lighters, and my vial of salvia in the trashcan which was full of cigerette ash. Wasent fun searching for everything.
But salvia is great besides what most people think. Nothing else comparable.


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I'm a nihilist. Lets be friends.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
It has been a little over a year now since my first encounter (and breakthrough) with Salvia D. The memory of my first breakthrough has not, will not, and doesn't seem likely, to fade away.

I present to you, for your dissection and review, an account of my first breakthrough experience. This experience has been on my mind quite a lot, lately, along with some of my interpretations of it. This being the case, I would like to see what all of you think about my experience.

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I exhaled the smoke from my second toke, and felt a curious pins-and-needles sensation on top of my head. I had only enough time to say, to my friend, "something's happening...".

Now I am in my room, alone. It is very bright, and something tugs at my mind with the comparison of a movie set and stage lighting. My mind reels for a moment in utter confusion. What am I doing in here? I can't seem to remember what was just happening. I glance at my wall, and notice three horizontal lines across it. That's odd...

As I watch, the lines grow in size and detail, forming what I can only describe as "zippers". As this happens, everything in my room "flattens" out into stand-up cardboard pictures of the object. Something isn't right...

I look down at the cutout of my bed, and I can see the corrugation in the cardboard. I run my finger along the edge...I can feel it, too. Something is very wrong!

Now three of my friends are suddenly in the room with me. Each of them is attatched somehow to one of the zippers on my wall. Oh, that's right...we're all zipper-heads. The thought seemes to come from nowhere and everywhere, as if inserted by some outside force into my consciousness. By this point, I am becoming very anxious and a tad bit scared. The situation is rapidly progressing beyond my comprehension. Finally, blessedly, the Knowledge comes back to me: Salvia. I immediately try to calm myself, mentally, by saying out loud "Calm down...this isn't real. You smoked Salvia, it will be over soon."

I blink and my three friends are surrounding me, no longer attatched to the zippers on my wall. The friend standing in front of me says, with a confused voice and expression, "What do you mean this isn't real? Of course this is real! It has always been like this...you fooled yourself into believing in reality. Now come on and help us."

Again my mind reels. That's right... A flood of information, all directly related to the present situation. I can remember, now. Things have always been like this...I really DID fool myself...

Now my friends are unzipping again. Inky blackness appears as the zippers come apart. My room begins to dissapear piece by piece. As each object dissapears, any light or sound it was emitting goes with it. Now things are becoming very quiet and dim.

For what seemed like an eternity, I waited. Thoughts were streaming into my head, from a presence I had not noticed before. She is behind me, up to the right. I can feel her there, watching. She gives me all the information I need to understand what is going on...then seems to say "Come on...you'll like it! Don't be scared!"

My friends surround me again, and now I see Her behind their eyes. They are not my friends, just representations of Her. They begin to push me, begging me to help them take everything apart. Now I realize: this is "IT", the End. Terror and panic overwhelm me. This is the appointed time! How could I have forgotten? I realize that it is not Death I am to meet, but unexistence. The time for all existence to end has come. This was planned, all along. How could I forget THIS?

I run from my room, seeking escape. My feet are not moving like they are supposed to. They feel attatched to the floor, somehow. I look down and see another zipper. My feet are attatched to it, and it is unzipping behind me as I move. Now I am helping, too.

Once in the kitchen, I immediately feel a sense of calm. Turning back around, I am again gripped with pure terror: half of my room is gone. The floor, walls, and ceiling end in a jagged edge beyond which is nothingness itself - or almost. She is in there, and I know that if the blackness catches me I am done for.

Again I run, this time to get out of the house. One of my friends is following me. He's chasing me! The hallway leading out back is full of cardboard cutouts as I run through it.

I get outside and run another ten yards or so before stopping. Everything looks normal, out here. I turn to look at my house, and it is sitting there as normal. Finally...it's over.

Then my house dissapears, all at once. I look down and there are five zippers leading to a point at my feet. Things around me are dissapearing, in a steadily closing circle. I crack, and tears slip from my eyes. I can't fight it anymore...it's time. I gently lower myself to the ground, and curl up into a ball.

Now everything dissapears. I know only one thing: existence. No thoughts exist, only existence itself. I am envelloped in Her, now, and she says to me "Now, isn't this cool? I told you not to be afraid..." She has a smug confidence now, whereas before She was becoming frustrated with my resistance. If she had a body, she would be nodding at me with arms crossed in satisfaction.

A point of light appears, and widens into my friends face (the one who "chased" me outside). "Dude...what are we doing outside?" he says. His face zoomes towards me, and everything is as it was. I am standing in my back yard, and I can't remember how I got there.   



Not to sound like a dick but the end of the story seems like you added things to make it more of a story. Hell, it's extremely easy to forgot a lot of details minutes after a trip.  Seems overall like a cool experience though.

I do see a lot of similar experiences to what I've had though... most of mine are really negative and intense.  Still, now that I'm thinking about it again one trip in particular affects me a little, one where I was alone and I had just smoked and it had become clear as day to me that my life was not real, this existence is not real and everything and everyone I know is just not "real". It was scary coming to a realization like that, and I can't honestly say to myself, still, that it all not true. That one really stuck to me for a few weeks afterwards.

So be careful if you're going to try this stuff! If you don't have many worries about things I think that it tends to be less intense/negative though and easier to experiment with.


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See my shadow changing,
Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor.
Hoping I can clear the way
By stepping through my shadow,
Coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow.
Forty six and two are just ahead of me.

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Re: The Salvia Consciousness [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Some seem to mean "breakthrough" as merely entering salvia space, but was there an actual "breakthrough" in knowledge or consciousness that you could use in consensus reality? If not, it is just another useless mind tweak and a way to have your own multi-dimensional scary movie.
 



As if one couldn't have a "breakthrough" about oneself while tripping and then apply it in one's real life. :lol:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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